I use Transitions eye glasses. If I am out in daylight I will not be able to unlock my phone via face recognition. If I take my glasses off, I can't see!
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Apple Working on 'Improved' Security System for iPhone 8 That Replaces Touch ID With Facial Recognition
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For all we know Apple may offer the opportunity to have more than one "Facial Profile" for those that regularly wear glasses etc similar to the way that they let you store multiple fingerprints at the moment.
My point was that we heard similar arguments against capacitive touch and TouchId.
In reality, most people took off their gloves when they had to, or used a stylus. And yes, used a passcode if their fingers failed.
Then it's good that facial recognition systems have algorithms that "remove" glasses. In what's been called the Clark Kent phenomena, some actually do better at recognizing people with glasses after first being trained without them.
Also, as someone has pointed out, you would surely be able to train the system with various facial adornments.
Obviously you don't live where it's cold
. In such places other unlock / UI navigation methods can be mote useful. Say, face unlock and tilting or voice nav. Not everything has to fit what works in Cupertino weather.The upshot is, if Apple is going to do this (and that's unclear) then don't you guys think they've thought of all this as well? Okay, true, not that they cared about us poor people in the cold. lol
Apple leaking rumors like this on purpose just so they can blow us away with touchID in the glass. - bold predictions.
Worst case scenario is they put touchID on the back of the phone, which would suck, but I would still rather have than only facial recognition.
Worst case scenario is they put touchID on the back of the phone, which would suck, but I would still rather have than only facial recognition.
TouchID isn't going anywhere. They can put it under the screen, on the power button or on the back of the phone. They wouldn't remove it. There is nothing to be gained by removing it and plenty of us don't want to have to use facial recognition in its place. I have little doubt they will push the facial recognition stuff but they are not replacing touchID completely.
Apple have never done anything like this before and they won't start now. Removing the headphone jack wasn't as serious as removing touchID would be.
Apple have never done anything like this before and they won't start now. Removing the headphone jack wasn't as serious as removing touchID would be.
On another thread forum member Dave245 (I think it was) posted some articles dating back as far back as 2011 discussing Apple patents for 3D Facial Recognition.
It hadn't consciously registered with me that they have been working on this for so long.
Perhaps they will have it perfected after all and my security concerns will prove unfounded.
It hadn't consciously registered with me that they have been working on this for so long.
Perhaps they will have it perfected after all and my security concerns will prove unfounded.
I'm going to stop panicking over the loss of Touch ID until the announcement and panic then if it's not there.
I've been following this since this was announced and had a chance to read other tech sites with some opinions on if Apple excised the touch ID on this next iPhone and over on MacWorld I read an article stating why it was a bad idea to get rid of touch ID and I share those sentiments. Some points that come to my mind along with this article is this; touch ID is such a simple, easy, fast (almost ludicrously so) that we don't even think about it when we use it. When you open your phone, you use it, when you make payments you use it, but its so quick and simple that we don't even think about it. It's become a standard for us using these iPhones and as a result it has become a tremendous success. Is Apple about to mess with that and force us to make a change to facial recognition without offering touch ID as an alternative option? I doubt it.
I only have my opinion, but I think it would be absurd not to even have touch ID as an option. I make payments using Apple Pay all the time and to think that Apple, no matter how perfected this facial ID may be, would force me to point a camera at my own face every time I make a payment sounds pretty ridiculous when most of us know touch ID is going to be far easier and simpler to use. Another point to make is timeframe; take the headphone jack on iPhone for example. Since 2007, the iPhone has had one up until last year with the 7. That's over NINE years we've had a headphone jack before they took it away; is Apple really going to remove touch ID when we've not even had it for 4 years (iPhone 5s)? It would seem way too soon to me for Apple to do this and when they tout ease of use over and over again, removing touch ID would fly right in the face of all of that.
In the end I hope they keep touch ID going but we'll have to wait and see. If this does come to fruition, my wife and I may be holding on to our 7 and 6s respectively as long as we can moving forward but we will see.
I only have my opinion, but I think it would be absurd not to even have touch ID as an option. I make payments using Apple Pay all the time and to think that Apple, no matter how perfected this facial ID may be, would force me to point a camera at my own face every time I make a payment sounds pretty ridiculous when most of us know touch ID is going to be far easier and simpler to use. Another point to make is timeframe; take the headphone jack on iPhone for example. Since 2007, the iPhone has had one up until last year with the 7. That's over NINE years we've had a headphone jack before they took it away; is Apple really going to remove touch ID when we've not even had it for 4 years (iPhone 5s)? It would seem way too soon to me for Apple to do this and when they tout ease of use over and over again, removing touch ID would fly right in the face of all of that.
In the end I hope they keep touch ID going but we'll have to wait and see. If this does come to fruition, my wife and I may be holding on to our 7 and 6s respectively as long as we can moving forward but we will see.
My point was that we heard similar arguments against capacitive touch and TouchId.
In reality, most people took off their gloves when they had to, or used a stylus. And yes, used a passcode if their fingers failed.
Then it's good that facial recognition systems have algorithms that "remove" glasses. In what's been called the Clark Kent phenomena, some actually do better at recognizing people with glasses after first being trained without them.
Also, as someone has pointed out, you would surely be able to train the system with various facial adornments.
Obviously you don't live where it's cold
The upshot is, if Apple is going to do this (and that's unclear) then don't you guys think they've thought of all this as well? Okay, true, not that they cared about us poor people in the cold. lol
of course they've thought it through, and i'm interested to see what they come up with. what alarms me is that we've had a year of rumors that state apple has been trying to get touch ID to work under the display, and they've failed. that's different than them making a decision to abandon it for the sake of the future (like floppy disks, cd drives, headphone jacks, older USB ports, etc).
i've been paying attention and there are actually quite a few times throughout the day that i unlock the phone when it's not opposite my face. there are actual times i need to be looking at something else and unlock my phone to get something done, without looking at it. another example of how the 3d facial scanning might be pretty problematic in this instance.
of course we can moan and groan all we want about rumors but we'll need to see the final thing before making any judgment. i just worry that everything is pointing to the fact that apple has been trying to make touch id work on the new phone, failed, and are now implementing a less than stellar substitute so they can keep a giant screen.
Yeah, if their facial is not great, I'd hope that they'd punt and instead put TouchId on the back, like Samsung had to when they couldn't get in-screen fingerprints working in time, either.
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One big reason why Apple probably (read hopefully) wont use face recognition, is because the device then can easily be used to force someone to open their phone, force them to make payments and so on. One could say that would be easy as well if one is using TouchID, but for everyone being in a high risk environment, they would not use the four most used fingers for unlocking their device. After five failed tries, the phone demands the passcode, making it a lot harder for the person or entity demanding access to the device. I have apps in the App Store depending on TouchID, but if Apple would really use the rumored solution, I have to remove the convenient unlocking of user data. That would be a hassle for my users, but according to polls within the user base, they would sacrifice convenience for security.
But is it child proof?
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Following a report from analyst Ming-Chi Kuo suggesting the next-generation "iPhone 8" will do away with a Touch ID fingerprint sensor entirely, Bloomberg says Apple is working on an "improved" security system that will let customers unlock their iPhones and make Apple Pay payments with facial recognition technology.
Apple's new facial recognition engine is powered by a 3D sensor rumored to be built into the front-facing camera, and according to Bloomberg's sources, Apple is also said to be testing eye scanning to "augment the system." Using facial recognition, the iPhone can be unlocked within a few hundred milliseconds and it allegedly works even when the device is lying on a table. It's said to capture more data points than a fingerprint scan, making it more secure than Touch ID.
Samsung built a similar feature, iris scanning, into its Galaxy S8, which has not proven to be foolproof. Hackers have successfully bypassed the feature using a printed photo with a contact lens on top of it, and in a video, a launch version of the S8 was shown being fooled by a photograph alone.
Apple's solution is said to be more secure because it is using 3D depth perception, preventing it from being bypassed by 2D pictures.
Bloomberg warns that the feature is "still being tested" and that Apple could have decided to nix it, so it continues to be unclear if the iPhone 8 will indeed do away with Touch ID entirely in favor of facial recognition.
Rumors surrounding Touch ID in the iPhone 8 have been all over the place during the course of the last few months. Apple was rumored to be having difficulty embedding the Touch ID fingerprint sensor under the display of the device and explored other solutions including a rear Touch ID button, but the company's final solution remains up in the air. What we do know is that the most recent dummy models and part leaks show a display without a Touch ID button, suggesting it's either under the display or non-existent.
Today's report also includes a quick mention that Apple is testing faster displays with ProMotion technology for the iPhone 8. ProMotion display technology, which features a 120Hz refresh rate for improvements to motion and animations, was first introduced in 2017 iPad Pro models.
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So, I wake up in the middle of the night & have to enter my pin in a dazy darkness state?! Or, is Apple blasting out, & reading, IR on my face?
No the rumors are that apple couldn' t do touchid under the display for this year.
From that a lot of people concluded themselves that it would happen next year, and made up this rumor themselves.
But there has never been a leak or rumor about that from the " reliable" sources.
I read recently, a company, has been able to put fingerprint readers under displays (can't remember who it was). Problem is Apple doesn't own them... Maybe someone rumor mongered & embellished this.
IR. Not that it matters. We're blasted with far stronger IR when we're outdoors.
That was Qualcomm. But even theirs is not ready for production yet, not until perhaps next Spring or later.
Ok, it was Qualcomm! Its all business but, the problems between Qualcomm & Apple ATM, I wonder if they can come to an agreement...
Ok, it was Qualcomm! Its all business but, the problems between Qualcomm & Apple ATM, I wonder if they can come to an agreement...
Hard to tell! The beauty of Qualcomm's sensor is that it works through the display, but that could make the phone thicker too.
From all their patents, I used to think that Apple would try to use a different method, perhaps near-IR or high res capacitive embedded in the display itself.
OTOH, the downside of doing embedded is having to worry about yield on a combined display + sensor, not to mention that it makes them dependent on manufacturers who can even pull it off.
So now I think that a separate display and sensor would be better business-wise for Apple. The upshot is that now I have no guess about what they're thinking of doing!
Yeah, I think an embedded touch ID will be putting a whole new layer in the display, unless its isolated to a section. And we know how Apple likes thin device... But, Apple likes to surprise us!
That you use by swiping down so it can assemble a full picture in memory, which requires an imaging system and lenses inside, adding bulk. It would be a horrible user experience if you had to swipe your finger on the power button every time you open it. It's really a dumb idea to have a fingerprint reader on the power button like that.
I think a recent supreme court decision equated a smart phone to a personal computer. Thus, a search warrant is required to look inside.