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You mean the hugely successful product that literally revolutionized the world?

There is a reason the open model prevailed in the PC space and it's because it might have negatives, but also provides massive positives
Oh, you mean the one that has largely been supplanted by the far more successful App Store?

Ya I’ve heard of it, and a lot of it sucks.
 
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Ah, so a non-answer. Too bad, so sad as long as you get to do what you want.
It is an answer, exactly how iOS users on the AppStore currently deal with it. Nothing changes
Umm…what does this have to do with malware downloaded from a website?
Well if the malware is to do some harm it needs to break the iOS sandbox environment and all the security features.

Clearly they don’t care about consumers at all based on what they’ve done so far.

Actually it’s very consumer hostile — enjoy the malware brought to you by the DMA 😂
Consumers aren’t the end all be all.
Ever heard of principles? Sometimes freedom is worth the cost it comes with.
 
Oh, you mean the one that has largely been supplanted by the far more successful App Store?

On mobile maybe, but on PC the open model is still alive and well. Even on MacOS Apple is unable to get rid of it even though they really would like to.

Ya I’ve heard of it, and a lot of it sucks.

Assuming you are right for the sake of argument, you basically argue that something can suck while still being very successful.

The exact same argument can be used in respect to the Apple App Store: it might be very successful but in itself that doesn't mean "a lot of it doesn't suck" and there couldn't be something better.
 
It is an answer, exactly how iOS users on the AppStore currently deal with it. Nothing changes

Well if the malware is to do some harm it needs to break the iOS sandbox environment and all the security features.


Consumers aren’t the end all be all.
Ever heard of principles? Sometimes freedom is worth the cost it comes with.
So this really is all about YOUR PRINCIPLES.

Who cares what Apple wants for the platform THEY created?

Who cares if users get malware by being duped into downloading an app?

Who cares if apps are cracked and pirated?

Who cares if iOS is buggier due to the EU mandates?

As long as Sophisticatednut’s precious principles are upheld…WHO CARES?
 
google lets people sideload... mac os lets you install out of the app store. I fail to see a valid argument from Apple
What about the levels of malware and ransomware compared between Mac and iPhone? That’s one that nobody compares. It’s always android vs iPhone or PC vs Mac. That’s the arguement.

Malware on iOS is pretty much nonexistent because of the safeguards that are built I.
 
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On mobile maybe, but on PC the open model is still alive and well. Even on MacOS Apple is unable to get rid of it even though they really would like to.



Assuming you are right for the sake of argument, you basically argue that something can suck while still being very successful.

The exact same argument can be used in respect to the Apple App Store: it might be very successful but in itself that doesn't mean "a lot of it doesn't suck" and there couldn't be something better.
And your argument for “something better” is…something demonstrably worse.

Logic fail.
 
So this really is all about YOUR PRINCIPLES.
Who cares what Apple wants for the platform THEY created?
It’s EUs principles, if Apple doesn’t like it they can leave. iOS users aren’t owned by Apple.
Who cares if users get malware by being duped into downloading an app?
Who cares if apps are cracked and pirated?
That’s sad and they should get educated so they know how to use anpps. The companies getting their apps pirated should File a lawsuit as everyone else in the industry is. Apple isn’t legally responsible for any of these issues and should allow people to choose their preferred babysitter.
Who cares if iOS is buggier due to the EU mandates?

As long as Sophisticatednut’s precious principles are upheld…WHO CARES?
It’s the principles of EU, to encourage and promote competition on the merits of services and goods.

Just how the U.S. have the principles of the first amendment and extremely lax defamation laws etc.
 
Well if it’s so self evident then apple should write it clearly, as heavily implied by their marketing and information it’s not. And the 99$ membership fee is apparently all all inclusive.
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So what's the Pricing And fees part in the lower left say?
"The commission on the sale of digital goods and services through the App Store is 30% (15% if your enrolled, blah blah blah)... It's clearly written that $99 does not cover commission.
And I will give away a free solution to Apple:
Any developer who earns more than 1 million pays 2% of revenue as a Core technology fee.
Finally, someone puts up some numbers. I personally value Apple's work more than that. 10% flat after the first million. Under 1 million, 2%.
And any free apps without In app purchases pays zero.
I think free apps should be DOA mate. But that's me. I'm sick of Ad's. Can I live? Just saying. How about a demo? Bring those back.
And any app who doesn’t use apples services pays 0%
Well, that's rather impossible. If you wrote an App for iOS you're using some form of Apple's services. Unless it's a WebApp. In which case, I'd be OK with that.
 
No need. There is already a massive community and a website. It’s called GitHub. On there are a multitude of free as in freedom apps. Millions of them in fact. They are made for all and any operating systems - even iOS! It’s cool and it may well open your eyes to a wider world. Here’s the link github.com.
Can't have gplv3 apps on the iOS app store. Apple won't allow it. You can download Xcode and compile yourself, that's it.
 
It’s EUs principles, if Apple doesn’t like it they can leave. iOS users aren’t owned by Apple.

That’s sad and they should get educated so they know how to use anpps. The companies getting their apps pirated should File a lawsuit as everyone else in the industry is. Apple isn’t legally responsible for any of these issues and should allow people to choose their preferred babysitter.

It’s the principles of EU, to encourage and promote competition on the merits of services and goods.

Just how the U.S. have the principles of the first amendment and extremely lax defamation laws etc.
The merits of the App Store are plain to see and the App Store and iOS are winning.

Android has everything you want, but can only manage 50% of the App Store with 3X the users. Why is that? (No response).

You pretend the negatives are just “too bad, so sad” and hand wave with lawsuits, education, blah blah blah.

It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.

The EU wants to dictate Apple’s business model because Apple is winning in the free market.

You preach “freedom” and “personal responsibility” — why don’t you practice that and get on Android instead of begging EU mommy to give you what you want?
 
Even if they are charging a fee for the app apple should not charge app creators. its absolutely insane. imagine if movies should pay netflix or musicians should pay spotify or the radio. The creators make the content that sell their phones. I think this is wanting the cake and all the cherry’s

But Apple says they have a cost in developing iOS, SDKs, tools, etc. So they charge a fee for that.
And for that you pay a hefty price for your device
 
And for that you pay a hefty price for your device
Are iPhones more expensive than top tier Android devices?

I see a model available for $429.

Here in the US, carriers throw in iPhone 15 Pros with your contact for “free”.

I see a Samsung Galaxy Z on sale for $2150 — much more than an iPhone.

Does Samsung develop Android SDKs and Android OS? (No).

Stop with this fantasy that your phone must pay for dev tools. It’s silly.
 
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Because the law allows Apple to make money even off the platform. So you have that to contend with.
And if you want to make an app as cheap as possible. Then charge .99 euros a year to cover the cost and avoid any issues if your app goes viral.
Who said the law allows Apple to make money using CTF? They have other means of making money. They will be investigated and fined heavily if they don't learn quickly.

 
No, but the WTO does. Which means the EU, US and other member nations will have to settle deputes in a way that doesn't violate their WTO treaty commitments. Very early on the EU was warned the DMA could violate WTO/TRIPS which is why they backed off of nullifying IP licensing fees under the enacted version and settled on FRAND terms which 50 eur/cents per annual app install is well within.
Nope. Breaking news. CTF will not fly.


Nor will there be any notarization by Apple.
"But it turns out the EC is really determined to extract more concessions from Apple, including the removal of the notarization process for apps distributed through thrid-party sources. Rather than Apple aiding with malware prevention, it’ll be the EC’s job to ensure that users are safe."


Everyone knows the shenanigans of Apple to protect its revnue.
 
Nope. Breaking news. CTF will not fly.


Nor will there be any notarization by Apple.
"But it turns out the EC is really determined to extract more concessions from Apple, including the removal of the notarization process for apps distributed through thrid-party sources. Rather than Apple aiding with malware prevention, it’ll be the EC’s job to ensure that users are safe."


Everyone knows the shenanigans of Apple to protect its revnue.
You got that backwards, champ.

This is all about EU protection and the EU mob extracting $ when their companies can’t compete.

Enjoy the shakedown, freeloaders.
 
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We shall see, as notes from the latest “compliance” meeting claim the regulators don’t want Apple to notarize either.


Talk about opening Pandora’s Box 😱

Another FUD spreader.

According to Vestager. If the Alt Appstore does not ensure safety of the Apps, the EU will take care of it. They are not going to run anti-malware scans or participate in app reviews. They will ensure that Alt Appstores will do these just as good as Apple does or better through regulation.

"I would think of it as unwise to say that the services are not safe to use, because that has nothing to do with the DMA. The DMA is there to open the market for other service providers to get to you and how your service provider of your operating system, how they will make sure that it is safe is for them to decide," she said.

"And of course, if we see or get the suspicion that this is in order to say that someone else are not doing their job of course, we might take initiatives to look into that."

 
Nor will there be any notarization by Apple.
"But it turns out the EC is really determined to extract more concessions from Apple, including the removal of the notarization process for apps distributed through thrid-party sources. Rather than Apple aiding with malware prevention, it’ll be the EC’s job to ensure that users are safe."
Please let this happen soon — it’s time for the EU to fafo 👍🏼
 
In the DMA it's pretty clear that the "Gatekeeper" is allowed to enact measures that are "strictly necessary and proportionate" to ensure the safety of the platform in respects to third-party applications and app stores, but makes also pretty clear that the Gatekeeper needs to be able to justify those measures.

I can imagine the regulators might have a disagreement with Apple about the notarization and whether it's justified in all its aspects as "strictly necessary and proportionate". If they disagree, the notarization might be challenged.

Also note that even if the EU regulators were to determine that the notarization or parts of it are not justified for third-party apps or app stores, it would not mean Apple would have to modify or forfeit the notarization for its own app store: only that Apple would have to implement less intrusive measures for third-party stores or third-party apps sold outside of the Apple App Store.
Apple wants to retain control of apps that the alt appstores will publish and that is why it wants to do the notarization. The EU has realized it and hence it does not want Apple to do the notarization. However, that does not mean there will be no notarization. There could be third-party app attestation services opening up which do a better job than Apple like this.

 
Another FUD spreader.

According to Vestager. If the Alt Appstore does not ensure safety of the Apps, the EU will take care of it. They are not going to run anti-malware scans or participate in app reviews. They will ensure that Alt Appstores will do these just as good as Apple does or better through regulation.

"I would think of it as unwise to say that the services are not safe to use, because that has nothing to do with the DMA. The DMA is there to open the market for other service providers to get to you and how your service provider of your operating system, how they will make sure that it is safe is for them to decide," she said.

"And of course, if we see or get the suspicion that this is in order to say that someone else are not doing their job of course, we might take initiatives to look into that."

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“And of course…we might take initiatives to look into that”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

YES, PLEASE DO!

They have zero clue and zero ability, but that lady sure enjoys the limelight 😂
 
Apple wants to retain control of apps that the alt appstores will publish and that is why it wants to do the notarization. The EU has realized it and hence it does not want Apple to do the notarization. However, that does not mean there will be no notarization. There could be third-party app attestation services opening up which do a better job than Apple like this.

App attestation is not notarization. But nice ad from that company 😉

That service will only make sure an app is verified to connect to your server.

It does nothing to protect you on device.

Is the EU going to REQUIRE notarized apps (from wherever)?

That would be a good thing! Now are they ready to police the notarizers? 🤔
 
"I would think of it as unwise to say that the services are not safe to use, because that has nothing to do with the DMA. The DMA is there to open the market for other service providers to get to you and how your service provider of your operating system, how they will make sure that it is safe is for them to decide," she said.
WTF is that word salad? 😳

EU mob is way out of their depth.
 
App attestation is not notarization. But nice ad from that company 😉

That service will only make sure an app is verified to connect to your server.

It does nothing to protect you on device.

Is the EU going to REQUIRE notarized apps (from wherever)?

That would be a good thing! Now are they ready to police the notarizers? 🤔
Th EU may only define/state the desired outcomes. The alt appstores can decide on the method, including the use of third-party attestation/notarization. Still early days.
 
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It means that the EU will specify the desired outcomes for safety, the alt appstores will decide on how.
Really? I don’t see the word “EU” anywhere.

I see:

“The DMA is there to open the market for other service providers to get to you and how your service provider of your operating system, how they will make sure that it is safe is for them to decide.”

Which sounds like she was having a seizure.
 
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“And of course…we might take initiatives to look into that”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

YES, PLEASE DO!

They have zero clue and zero ability, but that lady sure enjoys the limelight 😂
She has tamed Apple, which nobody has been able to do so far. :)
 
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