You have blinders on, and are failing to understand that whilst the AppStore may be ‘winning’, it’s winning by default. That’s like having a race, chopping all the other runners legs off, and then claiming the medal for yourself. It’s not a fair playing field, of course it’s winning.
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Possibly but also not the whole story. The quality and the type of apps, combined with the demographics and spending power of the target audience is also a huge part.
I mean if it isn’t then the combined Android stores should without even trying dwarf revenues. But they don’t.
Regardless. All a moot point until there is another way of installing. The quality of the apps is down to the dev that makes said app, it has nothing to do with the only store they’re able to put them on. Same with spending power, same with target audience. The is only one store.
?? How is it a moot point when there is a much larger ecosystem that doesn't have anywhere near the revenue?
People with spending power choose iOS, but they have a choice.
And no the quality of the apps isn't just down to the dev that makes it. A large part of it is the tooling and standards for the targetted environment.
What? No. The quality of the app has nothing to do with Apple, as you’re implying. The quality of the app has only to do with the developer of the app.
Insisting on comparing to a different platform is irrelevant in this situation. The only relevance is iOS, and until now it’s been impossible to do anything outside of the AppStore. Therefore moot.
The market share of non-Apple products is much higher, so any talk of Apple being a monopoly make no sense whatsoever. There are, and always have been, alternatives to Apple's products that consumers could buy if they do not like Apple's prices, terms, and conditions. The EU action makes little sense and was always going to cause problems.
As for this issue, surely it must be possible on both Apple's app store and the alternative app stores to limit downloads of free apps to 999,999. Problem solved.
What, limit a developers success? On what grounds?
Look, if it’s free on apps AppStore it remains free except the dev free. Why on earth do Apple need to charge for the same free app something above the dev fee if it’s on a different store?
No company does anything with the goal of scraping by or by setting max revenue goals. The model is base fee + commission and not someone else deciding the base fee is sufficient. Economies of scale are a companies business and their reward for taking risks. The profits, if any from the economies of scale roll into other products too, that are not related to the iPhone, and further subsidize improvements to the App Store.
The 150 million could easily be eaten up in labor cost alone. Software engineer of the caliper required to work on those API’s, as well as the App Store and all other related activities is around $250,000 a year, but that does not include the overhead related to those employees, which is approximately the same amount as their salaries. With that 150 million it would be reasonable to support the salaries of 300 engineers and I suspect a lot more people are involved in the process sides engineers.
Many of the people I know that had Android and switched to iPhone over the years cited, very specifically. iOS had better apps. Same apps from Android on iOS works better and performs better than the same app on Android. It's not a 1000 people sample size. But large enough in my circles. Consistently that was stated as being the reason. So if the same dev has the same apps on both platforms. One would think they are just as good on either. But, being that isn't the case. The only other thing is the platform that is different. So it has something to do with how Apple and Android operate.
So restrictive, yet so many people seem perfectly happy with it. And if they ever felt the ropes squeezing in on them. They can leave and go to Android.
I use both platforms. Each have their strengths and weaknesses. Apples weakness is a single AppStore. Remove that weakness and Apple is in a better place.
Besides which, I live in the EU - they are being forced to open up. Your opinion is of little consequence.
To answer that you have to first understand why it's free on the AppStore to begin with.
Since that model is not acceptable by the EU. Apple has to charge something to make the effort profitable for them to continue building the platform. All this has done is move the money from one place to another place. But it still costs money to make it work.
If people want free, go Open Source.
If it’s nothing to do with Apple, why are they charging. Why do they have the right to a slice of a pie (sometimes when there isn’t even a pie), just because someone releases an app on an iPhone?
It’s the only place that happens in all of the worlds mainstream os’- including Apple other one. It’s not a normal stance.
Read it again. They did not say Apple could not employ CTF. In fact they are doing the normal song and dance where they complain loudly to discourage things have no power to change.Nope. Breaking news. CTF will not fly.
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Nor will there be any notarization by Apple.
"But it turns out the EC is really determined to extract more concessions from Apple, including the removal of the notarization process for apps distributed through thrid-party sources. Rather than Apple aiding with malware prevention, it’ll be the EC’s job to ensure that users are safe."
Sideloaded iPhone malware is back on the table, and you can blame the European Commission
Malware is a risk in Europe now that sideloading apps is possible on iPhone, especially if the EC will stop Apple from notarizing apps.bgr.com
Everyone knows the shenanigans of Apple to protect its revnue.
Compulsory licensing requires a company to be compensated. But I’m sure Apple would be willing to compromise if Ericsson and Nokia would be forced to provide the IP to Apple for free.
Apple has a right to seek and protect revenue. Arguing that they don’t is contrary to the principle of this law and others which seeks to protect revenue for other companies.
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They can protect revenue and they can even charge CTF if that is not discriminatory. If they apply the same CTF to Apps in the Appstore also, then the playing field will be leveled and the EU might not have any objection. As it exists, App developers cannot go to alt appstores because of CTF and Disparaging language. Both have to go.
I also live in the EU, and have property outside the EU as well. I'm not looking forward to any organisation forcing any other. This forcing is on a road with lots of bear traps, and very unlikely to benefit consumers in the long run. Always follow the money who is going to benefit here...
The only thing likely to change is all EU developers will pay a CTF whether they are in the AppStore or independent OR they can accept terms for the AppStore in another market. That will significantly put all EU developers at a disadvantage and there will be nothing the EU can do about it.
If CTF is there in the Appstore, it will become a graveyard in no time.
I’m sorry, what?
How is Android more successful for users? Because they don’t install apps or just pirate?
Oh, you mean because they could afford that cheap Chinese junk phone that’s basically just used for messaging and calls. The modern day “flip phone”. Not really like there was any other choice — so yes, cheap Android junk phones are just amazing!
Is that the part I’m “just ignoring”?
Or maybe it’s piracy — please let me know!
Hey, more power to them!
I’m merely pointing out that a phone browser has different requirements compared to desktop. Even on the desktop, browsers exhibit very different power usage (👋🏼 Chrome).
I hope for your sake they nail it on the first try 😉
Ah, but Android has all the legs, and is still only half done with the race.
Oops.
Sounds like you’d like that — the power trip fantasy never ends 😳If CTF is there in the Appstore, it will become a graveyard in no time.
Weakness TO YOU.
Strength for the rest of us who, as adults, made the personal decision to buy an iPhone.
You really seem to relish all this “forcing” 🤔