I’ll spell it out again:
Boeing.
Airbus.
You know that they aren‘t airlines, don‘t you?
They‘re the manufacturers of the tech that airlines use.
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Boeing.
Airbus.
You know that they aren‘t airlines, don‘t you?
They‘re the manufacturers of the tech that airlines use.
Those airplanes are created by the market, not by rules.
You think Samsung was intentionally selling smartphones with exploding batteries and the only thing that was stopping Samsung was rules? The market will eliminate bad products and Samsung cannot sell smartphones that explode as nobody would buy it.
Why you think the stock price of Boeing is crashing at the moment? The market punishes bad products, just like how Nokia got destroyed by the market.
So again, why are EU airlines so bad then if rules are so good rather than the market?
They aren‘t created by rules - they are subject to rules for safety.
Rules that are enforced by civil aviation agencies - not manufacturers themselves. Such as: if you have a new automated flight stabilisation system that can crash an aircraft, you publish that in the manual.
Those rules woudln't have done much as Boeing cannot sell unsafe planes in the market as they will get destroyed by the market and go bankrupt. Nobody would be flying Boeing planes if they are unsafe.
So if rules are so good, why do EU airlines suck so much? And why was Air France allowed to get state funding despite it being illegal?
Not when you’re operating in a duopoly - and supported by big government contracts.
Nonsense, look at what is happening to the stock price of Boeing. Nice misinformation.
So again, if EU rules are so good, why do EU airlines suck so much? And why was Air France allowed to get illegal state funding in the EU?
Some of us are old enough to remember when you paid for a text editor, compiler and version control 😂
Yes, if they perform a utility for me and don’t have ads or spy on me and don’t data collect and are verified by a third party that they do what they say they do and nothing else. But I would never ever download those apps from a dev site or alt store. Never ever, not even my bank.
If my bank only pushes its app outside of apple App Store, I would switch bank.
For the record, I am very restrictive of what I install on my Mac. Nothing from google, Microsoft, adobe. No games from outside App Store. To run zoom or google meet I install on iOS from apple App Store, not on my Mac. I install much more stuff on iOS, because of the extra security.
But that's the thing, nobody is forcing you as a consumer to use this, you are yourself a perfect example of why Apple allowing free app installation from external sources won't change a thing with regards to the App Store, you won't leave it, and neither will 99% of users.
And for those that choose to do so, what you're afraid of is actually protected against by the app sandbox. It protects users from apps trying to take any data that isn't in the app itself (e.g. camera roll, calendar, contacts, accessing local network, health data, Bluetooth scanning, WiFi scanning, location, none of these data points are accessible to an app unless the user gives it to the app), so it'll be up to users if they want to give them their data.
That's a ridiculous take if I've ever seen one. My point is that Apples model for paying for listing in the App Store is deeply flawed when companies like Spotify rack up petabytes of network traffic and pay the same for the privilege as I do when I measure my traffic in megabytes. It tells us all we need to know about what the $99/year is for, and it doesn't have anything to do with paying for access to tools and documentation, it's there to make sure vendors on the App Store are serious, which is fine, but we're talking about non-App Store distribution here.
Of course there will be distribution of apps outside the App Store, there will be Github release pages for open source projects with .ipa files, there will be internal company file servers with sensitive apps in .ipa files, there will be crappy school projects delivered in the form of .ipa files, and yes, there will be shady actors taking advantage of it, but the iOS sandbox will ensure nothing leaks unless the user has chosen to provide it.
This is about users getting freedom to do what they want with the expensive hardware they have paid for.
If you're still worried, just look at Android where developers are free to distribute apps on their own, developers still aren't leaving the Play Store there, even though it has more or less the same commission and rules as the App Store.
Changing the subject from tech to operators of tech?
The state funding I suppose you’re speaking of has been annulled. - by an EU court.
U.S. airlines aren‘t sucking any less than European ones.
But Europe doesn’t leave aircraft manufacturers producing unsafe tech up the market.
Cause that incentivises manufacturers to cut corners - and as a result, people (on 737 Max) have died.
So instead of mandating safety rules for airplanes, you would rather let the market decide. What does that mean when you think it through? How many planes have to crash, how many lives have to be lost, before Boeing fails as a company?
Also, as an airline customer, you can't even realistically choose what kind of airplane you are going to board when you buy a ticket. You could not influence the air line procurement decision this way, even if you wanted to.
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Amazon and Google can pay for themselves. YouTube native app is a junk so I use website instead.
Apple has no intention to let developers use platform for free. Especially when most apps make no money but still use the resources (hosting, downloading etc).
What EU did is ended an era of free apps for independent developers. From now on everyone will have to pay up for themselves. Yep.
And I think it’s fair to make users pay for app development and hosting because it’s not free.
Developers can decide whether they can afford to pay the fee themselves or pass the fee onto their users.
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You can only know that without a doubt if you inspect the source code yourself. How many times has it happened that an app magically gained some functionality after it passed the App Store review? Like a flash light app that was actually an emulator? Spoiler: Too often to get comfortable.
And those apps are then removed from the App store. Because that is a very serious violation of the App Store guidelines.
And ofcourse a little bit of common sense is required, even when browsing the App Store. But from Apps that are in good standing (so Apps that don't get removed because of a shady update) I can safely install them. Those apps usually have multiple updates and good reviews, all of which you can see on the App Store itself.
A third party app store, or website, doesn't need to have those protections or features. Which makes it less protected for the user. Because you can't check the source code. (There is no requirement for third party stores/apps to disclose the source code before installing) Also there is a difference between reading the source code and understanding the source code. Something I, as a software developer, see with code reviews from non developers.
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And how often does Apple find this out themselves without some news outlet telling them? Who knows how many are around that haven't been reported on yet. The developer can create it like a great app with good functionality but meanwhile does something else.
Publishing apps myself has taught me that they mainly look for stuff that can hurt their bottom line, not really if an app is stable or does what it's supposed to do (not that that's really checkable anyway).
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what a tough problem to think bout apple... maybe... I know it sounds crazy... just drop the stupid, irrational fee?
greed corrupts more than anything...
greed corrupts more than anything...
Which will be possible with open source apps on Github! Developers can set up so called "reproducible builds" where I can compile it myself and verify that what's being distributed is without a doubt unmodified from the source code. This is not possible with App Store apps.
I wonder if reproducible builds is actually possible with code signatures in play at all though. Certainly not if the signature is inside the binaries, but if it only applies to the package then it should work.
Malicious?
It’s capitalism, not socialism or communism. You have to pay.
Maybe EU can incur the cost? Why not? EU could allow citizens to apply for reimbursement. If they are good enough to come up with that law they should be able to pay for it.
They check if the App does what the developer says the app does. They launch the app, check if it's running (if an app flat-out crashes they will reject it) and if your app uses things like NFC they want to know why. They also do an automated virus/malware check.
They do go a lot deeper than for example Google, who only have an automated check.
And how often does Apple find this out themselves without some news outlet telling them?
They don't, but they respond within hours from when they are notified. Something that can take days on other platforms. You can't stop something bad from happening, but here is where common sense is required. Don't install shady looking apps or apps from developers that have no history or a shady one.
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The solution is to just not charge developers for something that you don't have a cost in.
So in a nutshell: You may provide your app outside of the App Store but you need to pay for a developer account and pay for legitimizing the app install itself?
It's just like a bank makes money by receiving interest and by making investments while you pay a monthly fee for being a customer of your bank. Oh wait...
It's just like a bank makes money by receiving interest and by making investments while you pay a monthly fee for being a customer of your bank. Oh wait...