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Can we also talk about how this will enable FREE apps to simply distribute in the way that makes the most sense for the company/app without having to go through Apple's overbearing process.

It's not only about saving a couple points on each sale. There are numerous free apps that I would have done over the years for certain entities that would have worked if they could have distributed them on a website or specific customers, and not have everything go through the App Store. The developer account/app store itself is enough of a nightmare as far as "entity" is concern to discourage lots of types of development.

To one extent, this is useful to me and other academics. In my past 2 UK-based institutions, getting a dev account was out of the question. At my current Swedish institution, it is not impossible but not the easiest as Apple requires all sort of legal agreements (unlike other companies that verify your edu email). Due to this, for both research and education, I have been relying on Android.
 
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Scammers rejoice!
Odd choice to reference...scammers benefit today from the App Store, because of the exposure..it puts them in front of millions of a eyes.

A scammer that chooses to distribute some other way can do so, but people have to see it first. And buy into it. Scams are more effective in the App Store because they are supposed to be trustworthy.
 
I was previously against opening iOS up. But more recently see this as the right move. Apple threatening to ban twitter was the obvious example where Apple proved themselves as nothing but a greedy censor. Yes sure they back-pedaled quickly on that... because they realized how ugly it looked. Does not mean it wont happen again in the future.
They can do whatever they want. It's their phone, their company, and no one should tell them how to operate. The fact Europe, and consumers who think they need master control over the phone are the ones who should step off.
 
You think the EU is going to tell Apple they aren't allowed to charge for their services?

If apple tries to sidestep the spirit of the law, absolutely. The whole reason this side loading thing is now required, is due to apple abusing their power to stifle the competition in the app market.

The EU also told phone service providers to remove roaming fees within the EU (no more $10 a megabyte ********). If you try to squeeze a large enough consumer base for every drop of blood, you'll eventually end up in the cross hair of the EU.
 
This is good news. While I am certain there will be alternative app stores that are scamming dross, there will be legitimate developers that cannot get their apps approved because of App Store guidelines, and these apps may be really useful.

And once all the "scam stores" hit, people simply won't use them anymore. Or...well, you know what it means when you're fooled twice...
 
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Now I can fire Kazaa back up, download and install those Apps I always wanted: totallynotinfectedgame.app and hotgirlsnovirus.pkg

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That’s a best case scenario.

Now think of a country like Russia. It says ‘**** your security requirements Apple. We want complete sideload and we want our government apps on every citizen’s phone’

Then another country copies the Russian example, and another, and another. Then we end up with half the world’s iPhones under surveillance.

So your hopium about secure freedom of sideloading fails. An autocrat regime will simply take all phone data and organised crime will feed on it too.
Apple is already doing that.


And why wouldn't you have similar concerns for personal computers and laptops?

Is it time for Microsoft and Apple to lock down personal computing? Should every software developer need Microsoft's permission (and to pay a 30% Microsoft tax) to make PC software?
 
Sorry, maybe you hadn't looked outside the iOS ecosystem before:

Tell me, where can I find the solution I currently have after governments for Apple to fundamentally change its nature?
No idea how that is even a response. You're complaining about your own "security" as if thats a reason for other people not to have more freedom. It never, ever is.
 
Do the people who are against installing apps also only download apps from the Windows Store or Mac App Store? If you can do it on a computer then you shouldn't run into any issues on iOS which is more locked down.

May as well get prepared, because if we're being honest some developers will only release their apps outside of the store.
The only 2 real worries I have are:

1) Apps like Facebook being able to circumvent privacy policies - which is why data collection, usage, and storage should be a regulatory issue, not one we need to rely on Apple for. We need better comprehensive laws on use of people’s data, Apple’s only forced to handle it because our regulations on this are weak

2) needing to install a specific app store just to install a specific app, which can get annoying (looking at you: EA)

On the plus side there are a lot of apps and categories of apps I’d love to run not allowed on the app store right now
 
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finally

At the moment we‘re building an app that needs to scan the Wifi for IoT devices, but Apple …
I want to connect my Watch to my my bicycle computer, but Apple …
younameit, but Apple …

So there is hope that Apple has to open its API finally. Or people will implement it and sideload it - that‘s it.
And finally Apple has to enter competition - no more „lock customers in, lock competition out“.

I gues we will see great products and great ideas, not possible before - at least we will see those things in the EU.
 
And this flies because the governments are introducing insecurities to phones which means when apples security goes out the window and they keep advertising it isn’t, it’s someone else’s fault.

This makes me not want apple for the same reasons I don’t want an android.
I've got some bad news for you if you own a Mac or PC.

You better get rid of them quickly.
 
This will be end up being one of those things where 99.9% of users just keep it the same.

Has anyone looked at your co-worker or family's iPhone? There's nothing on it.

They use Safari, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok/YouTube, Notes, Camera.app, Spotify, maybe a banking app and have a few stupid games with expensive in app purchases like Candy Crush.
 
I go boxing classes twice a week and learned keep the guard up and don’t let anyone side load their fist in my face.

I’m not sideloading nothing. In the start of the pandemic the scammers tried to attack my computer and demanded ransoms. I just forced to wipe that system.

They did the same to one ex employer’s company.

Feel sorry for the time when ransomware goes from PCs to phones.
 
Lmao. That's the first time I've heard it suggested that "emulators" is in some way a motivating factor. That's a good one.

However you are right about one thing: Apple could have easily prevented all of this by being more reasonable than they have been.
Emulators are usually the first thing I see mentioned from average users when it comes to sideloading. I’d imagine it’s one of the top use cases (if not THE top use case) for most average users who want sideloading available.

I do have a crazy conspiracy though: I think Nintendo and Apple are in cahoots in some fashion in regard to their opposition to sideloading and emulators. The Delta emulator essentially decimates Nintendo’s $20 and $50 tiers for their online service — as far as retro game accessibility goes.

Perhaps by bringing easy emulation to all platforms, it may force Nintendo’s hand to re-release games that aren’t literally 20+ years-old to their online service. Instead, they squeeze out like one or two decades-old games per month, like a broken peepee, as subscribers anxiously wait underneath to get just a drop of legally-offered Nintendo nostalgia. I’m pretty sure the Wii had a bigger retro catalog than Switch. It’s pathetic, and I think Apple enables them to do it.
 
I don’t care about side loading, not until I’ll be forced to use a third party AppStore to use an app I need, then I will be very annoyed.
 
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Finally we can get some decent WiFi analyser apps and emulators. 👍🏻
This was my EXACT thought when I read this.

I use to carry around an Android device just for "WiFi Analyzer" when setting up APs at work. Way easier than lugging around a laptop, I could just hold my phone up to check signal strength and confirm where to place the next AP.

On iOS this sort of thing is blocked in the App Store. Sideloading isn't allowed. I use to use a WiFi Analyzer app off of Cydia, but I don't know if it's been updated in years and I'm certainly not going to jailbreak just for one app.
 
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The only 2 real worries I have are:

1) Apps like Facebook being able to circumvent privacy policies - which is why data collection, usage, and storage should be a regulatory issue, not one we need to rely on Apple for. We need better comprehensive laws on use of people’s data, Apple’s only forced to handle it because our regulations on this are weak

I agree. I suspect we will see some of the bigger companies putting nudges ala 'get this app from X store for better <insert made up lie>' like the ones appearing post-iOS 14.5. I just hope that people will start to 'punish' larger companies who push alt stores by boycotting them but still engage with sideloading for smaller homebrewed and 'tech-savy apps' (like the original Cydia store prior to monetisation).

2) needing to install a specific app store just to install a specific app, which can get annoying (looking at you: EA)

On the plus side there are a lot of apps and categories of apps I’d love to run not allowed on the app store right now

I fear that this will happen. My main concern is that Epic will launch its own store on day 1 and require any Unreal iOS devs to use that.

In general, I will be happy if I can pick 'App Store apps' for 995% of my time that have iCloud sync and a 1% of my time doing sideloaded apps for work (I am in academia) or more tech-savy solutions like GPS coordinator changers or WiFi analysers.
 
No idea how that is even a response. You're complaining about your own "security" as if thats a reason for other people not to have more freedom. It never, ever is.
Of that paragraph, you’re going to pull out the word security and exclude everything else so you can tee up an irrelevant Franklin quote? I’m not taking that detour…
 
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