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Yay! More opportunities for Apple to collect data about us.

Like Google platforms are so much better and innocent? :rolleyes:

Here's a clue for you: Google and Microsoft collaborated with the NSA years before Apple caved in. They were willing and eager "let me go first!" sellouts.


Granted, what you just posted is worthless ranting as long as you continue to use a product from either Apple, Google, or Microsoft. All are complicit to some degree in sending your personal data to the Big Government. The only way you can rant with a straight face is if you became a luddite, after removing all your Facebook and Twitter accounts, shut down your Google Plus accounts, threw your Google Android phones into the garbage can, and swore never to use a website that is tracked by Google Ad Partners. Only then can you criticize without hypocrisy.
 
These are cool ideas and all, but if Apple was gong to implement them, why wait until now? None of these "new" functions are specific to the M7 chip, the M7 chip only relieves battery life (or strain on the processor).

I love all of the genius "engineers" out in the wild. These guys have proven their chops time and time again. Yet the second guessers continue to throw darts.

From the very first iPhone they have worked diligently to put as little processing power as possible in the phone, so as to reduce battery drain, while designing the whole system to run smoother and more efficient than the competitors who just throw massive horsepower at the problem.

You think they can have the benefit of the doubt for once? I'm quite sure that they have some extremely good reasons for the M7, and that there will be many "ah-ha" moments for the rest of us in the coming months.
 
oh god i hate this about my iphone. as i leave the house and i get in my car i start up maps, tunein radio, or whatever for my drive and my phone is hanging on for dear life to that weak dot of a wifi signal. how is it that they are not smarter about this? i have to turn off wifi for it to work. i even asked at the genius bar about it and they said there is no streamlined solution. i mean its gotta drive frigging fedderichi (or whatever) nuts as well. right? he walks in to work one day "guys, we have to fix this ********".

I don't get that same problem at all... I have turned 'ask to join networks' off... try that. and forgetting any cellular data wifi networks (here in the U.K O2, and BT both have Wifi free all over London, and it doesn't automatically join at all, unless I go in, and turn it on.
 
I love all of the genius "engineers" out in the wild. These guys have proven their chops time and time again. Yet the second guessers continue to throw darts.

From the very first iPhone they have worked diligently to put as little processing power as possible in the phone, so as to reduce battery drain, while designing the whole system to run smoother and more efficient than the competitors who just throw massive horsepower at the problem.

You think they can have the benefit of the doubt for once? I'm quite sure that they have some extremely good reasons for the M7, and that there will be many "ah-ha" moments for the rest of us in the coming months.

First, you need to chill. I have no idea what you're going on about. What was I "doubting"? Who's this engineer? I'm just wondering what, besides a few battery percentage, is the reason for not implementing these ideas now? Does the M7 do anything differently than that A6 can't do (albeit at a lower "efficiency)?
 
I wonder if the M7 can use voice...Instead of "OK google now" maybe something apple related. Not a killer feature but it could be handy.
 
First, you need to chill. I have no idea what you're going on about. What was I "doubting"? Who's this engineer? I'm just wondering what, besides a few battery percentage, is the reason for not implementing these ideas now? Does the M7 do anything differently than that A6 can't do (albeit at a lower "efficiency)?

BTW, there is a difference between asking a question to seek an answer and questioning something. We fanboys often can not tell the difference ;) Which one you were going for?
 
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When I first heard of the M7 during the keynote, I kept thinking "Apple Watch, Apple Watch". Then, no watch came.

And I laughed my socks off. Poor Samsung.
 
While the features that the article mentions do make sense, I doubt that M7 co-processor is a revolution. I suspect that it's a technical necessity.

First, the quoted article is probably technically incorrect in saying that "Now fitness apps that track physical activity can access that data from the M7 coprocessor without constantly engaging the A7 chip. So they require less battery power."

Fitness apps run on A7, therefore they can't do anything without "engaging the A7 chip". Most likely the accurate story is that M7 is used for collecting data from the sensors when fitness apps are not actually doing anything (and A7 may go to sleep) and from time to time when the apps need the data they get it from M7 (or from the flash memory where M7 saved the data).

The co-processor itself does not add much (if anything) to the type of data that may be collected. It's all about the sensors. I do not know if those are usually placed on the main APU (SOC) or not. If they were moved to M7 there might be some power savings there.

However, the reason why Apple may need a co-processor could be because of the chosen A7 architecture. With two big cores, it's difficult to save power when you need to perform simple computational tasks required for registering sensor data. On the other hand, Samsung may utilize the features of their big/little core architecture where they would simply run one little core on the main APU to do what M7 does. because they can do that.

You're right that it's a technical necessity.

You're wrong that big/little would be able to save enough power to let it handle the task without impacting battery life.
- Samsung's S4 uses an Atmel AVR to handle S Health motion tracking.
- Motorola's Moto X uses a TI MSP430 to handle the camera twist gesture and voice activation.

I'd assume the M7 is something similar to the AVR or MSP430s.

A Cortex-A7 (the little in big/little) is significantly more power hungry than the two microcontrollers mentioned. (of course Cortex-A7 is significantly more powerful too) In fact, I recall there's been demos of both AVRs and MSP430s powered by hand made batteries made by sticking metal rods into fruit.
 
Unfortunately it is not Data that Apple lacks

Sounds like they're fiddling while Rome burns. Unless of course this 'M7 motion chip' has legs and goes out and about seeing what roads/shops/services exist and noting exactly where they are. That's the only way to enhance mapping.

Apple does not lack Map data. It gets it from different sources. It does not have a method to integrate the data properly. Not sure how M7 will help. It will get Apple more data which it does not know what to do with..
 
Same old flippant dismissing of privacy concerns that have proven to be completely justified.

Proven? When? Where?

Here's where paranoia hits you: When you don't look at reliable sources, but at unreliable websites who read these reliable sources, don't understand a bit of what they are reading, and as a result claim things that their source never claimed. And like this poster, when you make claims without turning the brain on and thinking about what you're saying first.

I'm not dismissing privacy concerns. Quite the contrary. There's a lot of evil stuff going on. What I dismiss is people who make up things and poison the discussion with paranoia. For example, idiotic claims of NSA backdoors. The NSA having a backdoor usually means game over for privacy. Nothing you can do. But that's not true, it's just paranoia. If you read the proper facts, you'll know that your privacy is endangered, and you can learn what to do about it.

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Since it knows when you are driving, I would like the ability to set an autoreply for text messages (and maybe calls) while driving. Or, automatically have it enter a hands-free mode to read you the message and reply with dictation.

Would be good to have an auto-reply, plus an option for the caller to state that the call is really important and you should stop to reply. Of course phone companies could and should charge heavily for that service so it doesn't get abused.

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There is no reason stop a passenger in a moving car from texting. I often have a passenger coordinating things with the passenger in another car when we are traveling.

To enable texting, point the camera at the drivers face so the phone knows you're not alone in the car.

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It is 'paranoid nonsense' until they come for you.:cool:

No, it is paranoid nonsense.

Spouting paranoid nonsense instead of getting informed means you don't have a clue what's really going on. It means that people who try to inform you about the real dangers don't get listened to because the paranoid nonsense is blotting out the real information.

In this case, the paranoid nonsense is also insulting to some excellent engineers who try their best and work very hard to improve people's lives.

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Why?

Does Apple collect info? Yes
Does Apple share info with NSA? Yes
(New) Does the NSA share info with foreign governments? Yes

I would be skeptic

The first two, show us the evidence.
The third: I don't mind if the NSA shares info with foreign governments. I _would_ mind an awful lot if it is true that GCHQ or BND share info with the US government.
 
First, you need to chill. I have no idea what you're going on about. What was I "doubting"? Who's this engineer? I'm just wondering what, besides a few battery percentage, is the reason for not implementing these ideas now? Does the M7 do anything differently than that A6 can't do (albeit at a lower "efficiency)?

Think of it like this: YES, a cpu with built in graphics chip can run video games... but a discreet gpu provides MUCH better video performance & leaves the cpu to run at peak capacity. Similarly... YES, a mobile cpu could continuously monitor all motion related processes in the mobile device... but a discreet motion processor provides MUCH better performance & leaves the cpu to run at peak capacity.
 
You're right that it's a technical necessity.

You're wrong that big/little would be able to save enough power to let it handle the task without impacting battery life.
- Samsung's S4 uses an Atmel AVR to handle S Health motion tracking.
- Motorola's Moto X uses a TI MSP430 to handle the camera twist gesture and voice activation.

I'd assume the M7 is something similar to the AVR or MSP430s.

A Cortex-A7 (the little in big/little) is significantly more power hungry than the two microcontrollers mentioned. (of course Cortex-A7 is significantly more powerful too) In fact, I recall there's been demos of both AVRs and MSP430s powered by hand made batteries made by sticking metal rods into fruit.
Apple A7 =/= Cortex A7
 
Why?

Does Apple collect info? Yes
Does Apple share info with NSA? Yes
(New) Does the NSA share info with foreign governments? Yes

I would be skeptic


If you're skeptic then I would say you might as well just need to go ahead and unplug your entire computer, destroy every single hardware component until it is just dust.
 
Yay! More opportunities for Apple to collect data about us.

Now they can automatically detect "wrong directions" when the M7 processor detects your sudden wild swerving trying not to die. In the event they direct you off a cliff they should be able to detect that too. Iphone 5s should be able to beam this info to the mothership for updates just before it burns up in a horrible crash.

As they don't want to appear to be spying on you, calling emergency services will be next year.
 
True. But it's still part of why I'm in the Apple ecosysytem and not Android. Yes, they both collect information about us. (I would bet Google collects the most). Apple uses that information to give us a better experience. Google will also provide you key information to improve your experience, but they are also heavily leveraging that info for advertisments etc.

Uhmm, and that data apple collects wouldn't then be used by prism??

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Same old paranoid nonsense.

Its not paranoia, apple is part of prism, end of.
 
Don't let it ruin your day ;) I mean honestly, what exactly are you worried about? Apple is using the data to improve the mapping experience. It's not like they're using the data for target ads, etc.
You're talking to the wrong person. I was simply pointing out that you're rude. To be fair though, I can see you thought you were funny.
 
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