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jxyama
macrumors 68040
apple should have qualified it:
"world's fastest computer that is also worthy of being a museum piece"
dell won't be able to complain about that... i don't think of their black/grey boxes being even potentially museum worthy.
while the orig. campaign was off - it's always tough to make the "world's ...est" claim - and i think apple did mislead a bit, but i wish BBB would spend more time getting on someone like eBay which is rampant with fraud...
"world's fastest computer that is also worthy of being a museum piece"
dell won't be able to complain about that... i don't think of their black/grey boxes being even potentially museum worthy.
while the orig. campaign was off - it's always tough to make the "world's ...est" claim - and i think apple did mislead a bit, but i wish BBB would spend more time getting on someone like eBay which is rampant with fraud...
Dont Hurt Me
macrumors 603
isnt that the truth, its the megahetz spin all over again. make a machine that kicks butt in everything not just that Photoshop test.Dahl said:
They should start an ad: "windows, the world's crappiest operating system". Then no one cold argue with it. 😀
agreenster said:
dual 3ghz not the fastest.... are you on crack????
simply the fastest personal computer ever no comp.....
but as they always do they ( the wintel community) will try (emphasis on TRY )
to belittle it.... but there is not a pc that will go anywhere nere a 3ghz powermac with this architecture and 1ghz fsb or more....
Fair enough, but....
Fair enough, but I don't know that the G5 is "museum worthy." It's unnecessarily big and is nothing more than brushed aluminum with ventilation holes. Simplicity and elegance in design, it's true, but hardly innovative.
That said -- and please note that I'm as much a Mac champion as the next person, having used them since 1988 -- the Dell, even with it's black/grey box is no slouch. The PC I use at work...
1. Operates at 2.4 GHz
2. Does everything I need it to.
3. Features attractive, contemporary styling
4. Occupies only the space needed to be functional
5. Costs LESS THAN $1,000
OK, a dual 2.0 GHz G5 probably kicks this machine's backside, but it costs $3,000 plus monitor (are the mouse and keyboard "extras" too?). Most people buy a computer for a tool, not a museum piece.
jxyama said:
Fair enough, but I don't know that the G5 is "museum worthy." It's unnecessarily big and is nothing more than brushed aluminum with ventilation holes. Simplicity and elegance in design, it's true, but hardly innovative.
That said -- and please note that I'm as much a Mac champion as the next person, having used them since 1988 -- the Dell, even with it's black/grey box is no slouch. The PC I use at work...
1. Operates at 2.4 GHz
2. Does everything I need it to.
3. Features attractive, contemporary styling
4. Occupies only the space needed to be functional
5. Costs LESS THAN $1,000
OK, a dual 2.0 GHz G5 probably kicks this machine's backside, but it costs $3,000 plus monitor (are the mouse and keyboard "extras" too?). Most people buy a computer for a tool, not a museum piece.
PlanB said:
You've obviously never used a wicked fast Xeon workstation.
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Dual 3.2ghz. Under 3 grand. Available 3 months ago.
I believe you are on crack.
Regardless, I'd still want a dual 3ghz G5, but lets not be silly here. The G5 is not the fastest available computer out there, and it probably wont be for quite some time.
we'll see what they say when the 3ghz machine is out and the fastest p4 is 3.4 or .6 while intel starts their campaign that clockspeed isn't th eonly factor.
agreenster said:
firstly yes i have used dual xeons but a dual 3.2 is not even close to 3 grand........
secondly a dp2ghz is 41% faster( floating point) than dual xeon 3 ghz the 3.2 being about 8 - 12% faster
and a dp2ghz would be slihtly slower than it in spec tests so
a 3ghz WOULD IN FACT BE ALOT FASTER THAN YOU XEONS
i like "World's Most Advanced Personal Computer"
that's a pretty objective statement that Apple could easily support.
that's a pretty objective statement that Apple could easily support.
The problem with claiming an absolute is that it invites rebuttal. Even the most ardent Apple supporter would hear a "world's fastest..." claim and wonder if it is really true.
Note, for example, how many articles were written criticizing some aspect of the G5's performance. If Apple had just advertised its "exceptional performance," or some such thing, these same articles would have been nothing but glowing. In fact, it wouldn't have surprised me to see a third-party or two bring up the possibility that it was the world's fastest personal computer.
elo
Note, for example, how many articles were written criticizing some aspect of the G5's performance. If Apple had just advertised its "exceptional performance," or some such thing, these same articles would have been nothing but glowing. In fact, it wouldn't have surprised me to see a third-party or two bring up the possibility that it was the world's fastest personal computer.
elo
Dont Hurt Me said:
Yeah, and Dell's act of running to cry to Mama about it like an 8 year old reminds me of all the childish whining and crying Democrats do about Bush on a daily basis too.
elo said:
Yes but nothing grabs more headlines and gets people talking then a little controversy which worked out exactly how apple planned. Most people will see for themselves if they feel it is truely faster. THose that don't woulnd't be in the market for buying it anyway.
inkswamp
macrumors 68030
Give me a break!
The "world's fastest" thing is just marketing hype. Who can't see that? It may or may not be true, but who really cares one way or the other? I never have. Is it really so hard to figure that out? Has there been a rash of people rushing out to get G5s only to find out they were sorely duped? This is such a non-issue.
Clearly, Dell is run by a bunch of whiners who would rather gripe and complain than come up with their own attention-grabbing ad campaigns. And it's so nice to see CNet letting themselves be used as Dell's little b*tch--no surprise there given CNet's notorious history of Apple bashing. 😡
The "world's fastest" thing is just marketing hype. Who can't see that? It may or may not be true, but who really cares one way or the other? I never have. Is it really so hard to figure that out? Has there been a rash of people rushing out to get G5s only to find out they were sorely duped? This is such a non-issue.
Clearly, Dell is run by a bunch of whiners who would rather gripe and complain than come up with their own attention-grabbing ad campaigns. And it's so nice to see CNet letting themselves be used as Dell's little b*tch--no surprise there given CNet's notorious history of Apple bashing. 😡
Why is it only on speed that people get called on marketing hype?
When Dell was advertising showing "interns" supposedly going through their night support center there was a problem. Those people were supposedly in the US. Actually they are in India (at least for home users, the target of the ads). So that was pretty much a blatent lie. But I didn't see any stories about it.
For some reason people get their panties in a twist about 'fastest'.
When Dell was advertising showing "interns" supposedly going through their night support center there was a problem. Those people were supposedly in the US. Actually they are in India (at least for home users, the target of the ads). So that was pretty much a blatent lie. But I didn't see any stories about it.
For some reason people get their panties in a twist about 'fastest'.
Dont Hurt Me
macrumors 603
I liked the Dell Dude who got caught burning one, maybe they could say sit back and relax with your Dell! 😉DGFan said:
Worlds fastest personal computer
They never said which world....
I'd buy a G5 but I'm not rich........
Worlds fastest personal computerMacrumors said:
They never said which world....
I'd buy a G5 but I'm not rich........
mrsebastian
macrumors 6502a
isn't this kinda after the fact anyway!? every 5 minutes there's a new faster processor/computer, so at the time it was a true statement.
Sun Baked
macrumors G5
Re: World's Fastest Desktop...
They claimed is was the first 64-bit & the world fastest desktop, then go on and compare it to workstations.
Yes it's a high-end desktop that is best compared to the niche game machine market on the PC side in price and speed, but Apple used Workstations.
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As the FTC would say, be clear in your advertising -- or else.
Apple did start taking orders from the public first for the 64-bit desktops, but AMD does seem to be moving a bit quicker on updating the Athlon64 and getting it into notebooks.
They claimed is was the first 64-bit & the world fastest desktop, then go on and compare it to workstations.
Yes it's a high-end desktop that is best compared to the niche game machine market on the PC side in price and speed, but Apple used Workstations.
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As the FTC would say, be clear in your advertising -- or else.
Apple did start taking orders from the public first for the 64-bit desktops, but AMD does seem to be moving a bit quicker on updating the Athlon64 and getting it into notebooks.