Apple 'world's fastest' Claim...

[Dont Hurt Me]

They claimed is was the first 64-bit & the world fastest desktop, then go on and compare it to workstations.

Yes it's a high-end desktop that is best compared to the niche game machine market on the PC side in price and speed, but Apple used Workstations.

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As the FTC would say, be clear in your advertising -- or else.

Apple did start taking orders from the public first for the 64-bit desktops, but AMD does seem to be moving a bit quicker on updating the Athlon64 and getting it into notebooks.

I dont think so since Alienware matches up very well to the dual G5s and i have been looking at a lot of benches. Macworld used Alienware game machines and the Alienware was only loosing in the Photoshop test.

 

[Sun Baked]

I dont think so since Alienware matches up very well to the dual G5s and i have ben looking at a lot of benches. Macworld used Alienware game machines and the Alienware was only loosing in the Photoshop test.

The problem with the advertising was calling the machine the fastest desktop, then not using desktops in the comparison.

Sort of like the advertising saying the Hybrids are the best mileage vehicles on the planet -- when they're advertising in the US -- and neglecting to mention that VW has been selling the Lupo 3L TDI (outside the US) that got around 100MPG in it's round the world trip.

 

[thatwendigo]

I dont think so since Alienware matches up very well to the dual G5s and i have been looking at a lot of benches. Macworld used Alienware game machines and the Alienware was only loosing in the Photoshop test.

Funny how there's never a direct quotation, citation, or graph you can show us, DHM. For all we know, you're completely fabricating this, or (what I consider more likely, given your track record) absolutely and completely misunderstanding and misrepresenting something that you think you read.

 

[nubero]

Glad to see the BBB is spending it's times on worth while causes! I mean heaven forbid an unsuspecting person ending up with a G5! That would be horrible! 🙄 Glad to see Dell is there to protect the everyday joe from the big bad Apple!

Hehehe
Pretty good statement. As for this: A Dell representative said in an e-mail: We "notified NAD because we felt there were some inaccuracies in Apple's advertisement and wanted to act on behalf of consumers in the marketplace who deserve accurate information on which to base their purchase decisions...Essentially, we felt that clarity in the marketplace benefits consumers, and NAD agreed."

"wanted to act on behalf of consumers"

Yeah right. 😛

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[thatwendigo]

Pretty good statement. As for this: A Dell representative said in an e-mail: We "notified NAD because we felt there were some inaccuracies in Apple's advertisement and wanted to act on behalf of consumers in the marketplace who deserve accurate information on which to base their purchase decisions...Essentially, we felt that clarity in the marketplace benefits consumers, and NAD agreed."

On a related note, Microsoft held a press conference to announce that not only were they pursuing Trusted Computing to promote "consumer choice and freedom in the marketplace," but also a joint venture with Coke, so that anyone who bought Pepsi could experience the fact that "this station is quite operational." One member of the press, when asked afterwards what his thoughts were, commented that "it was like millions of voices all cried out at once, and were silenced." 😎

 

[djbahdow01]

Funny how there's never a direct quotation, citation, or graph you can show us, DHM. For all we know, you're completely fabricating this, or (what I consider more likely, given your track record) absolutely and completely misunderstanding and misrepresenting something that you think you read.

Actually i remember reading that article and he is almost right, can't remember the whole article as it was in like january or so but the alienware did match up pretty well. I just can't wait for the programs to be optimized for 64bit and dual processors.

Edit: december article 2003 sorry.
No article but MacWorld has it in the mag, i have it.

 

[P Rush]

bull

in the article, "we felt there were some inaccuracies in Apple's advertisement and wanted to act on behalf of consumers in the marketplace who deserve accurate information on which to base their purchase decisions"

ever heard of megahertz myth that dell and other companies used for years!!?!?

BS!

 

[Soire]

So much talk, and yet so little is known.

I've been reading just about every major thread on this site for the past month, hoping to glean some inside information about new PowerMacs. As of late there seems to be a lot of talk about the future of Apple, and why they suck, and why Apple needs to get its' act together, so on and so forth.

Now I don't claim to be a long time apple user, or to be a computer expert. But it seems to me that Apple hasn't really released -anything- major in the way of computers in what, nine months? Other than the iPod mini, when was the last big release? November when we got the 20" iMac and the dual 1.8? Shouldn't Apple have released something- anything, computer wise since then?

So in my mind there's only two options; one good and one bad.

Good is that there will be an impending release in the next few weeks and we can all take our heads out of those nooses made of firewire.

Bad is that Apple is experiencing major problems, they don't care about computers much anymore, they're losing money like a leaky bucket, and it'll be another nine months till a paper release of the new G5 line.

Here's hoping for the good- may we all start hyperventalating come the 30th. 😉

 

[ALoLA]

The PowerMac G5. Used to assemble the world's third fastest, and most cost-effective, supercomputer. They can't dispute that! 😀

 

[Xnet]

Actually i remember reading that article and he is almost right, can't remember the whole article as it was in like january or so but the alienware did match up pretty well. I just can't wait for the programs to be optimized for 64bit and dual processors.

Edit: december article 2003 sorry.
No article but MacWorld has it in the mag, i have it.

Look Apple has the best operating system in the world and good hardware that is RIDICULOUSLY over priced when compared to the competition.

Apple needs to do something - when the marketshare gets down to 1% I'm jumping ship.

what was it last? 1.8%?

 

[nubero]

Now I don't claim to be a long time apple user, or to be a computer expert. But it seems to me that Apple hasn't really released -anything- major in the way of computers in what, nine months? Other than the iPod mini, when was the last big release? November when we got the 20" iMac and the dual 1.8? Shouldn't Apple have released something- anything, computer wise since then?

So in my mind there's only two options; one good and one bad.

Good is that there will be an impending release in the next few weeks and we can all take our heads out of those nooses made of firewire.

Bad is that Apple is experiencing major problems, they don't care about computers much anymore, they're losing money like a leaky bucket, and it'll be another nine months till a paper release of the new G5 line.

Well there's the XServe G5 together with the new cluster nodes and XServe RAID. I'd say that's a pretty major release.
And I don't really see, where they are losing that much money... maybe the margins aren't as high as they used to be but they ARE making money off pretty much everything they sell.
One more thing: What about all this G5 crap? These things are still brand new! Or do some of you think, it would be better to anounce a machine in let's say january, release it in february and then anounce a new one in march??? You gotta give them a bit time to actually SELL those machines 😀

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[thatwendigo]

Look Apple has the best operating system in the world and good hardware that is RIDICULOUSLY over priced when compared to the competition.

Apple needs to do something - when the marketshare gets down to 1% I'm jumping ship.

what was it last? 1.8%?

If marketshare is your reason for staying, go ahead and jump. The market is continuously growing, and we're hanging at a population that has remained largely unchanged for some time. The mac is as healthy as it has ever been, and more competitive than it has been for quite some time.

Since that's not enough for you, then go join DHM and buy and Alienware.

 

[thatwendigo]

One more thing: What about all this G5 crap? These things are still brand new! Or do some of you think, it would be better to anounce a machine in let's say january, release it in february and then anounce a new one in march??? You gotta give them a bit time to actually SELL those machines 😀

Nothing is ever good enough for some people, nubero. Apple could announce that they were giving away a free G5 1.8 dual to anyone who ordered a computer in the last two years, and we'd still have people griping. Some would be mad it wasn't three years, others that it wasn't a dual, and ones like DHM would be pissed that it wasn't an Athlon under the hood. It's just how the world is. You can't make everyone happy. 🙄

 

[shen]

good

just once i would like to see Apple put out some ads that point out that they have by far and away the best OS. show how good it looks, how the iApps stomp the multiple hundred dollar apps in the winders world, how OS X is both easier, and more secure than eXtremePain. show off your assets Apple. drop the speed.

is the G5 fast? damn straight! but i have a G3 that i wouldn't trade for the best of the best from dell or HP. i have OS X. speed is just icing on the cake.

 

[nubero]

Look Apple has the best operating system in the world and good hardware that is RIDICULOUSLY over priced when compared to the competition.

Apple needs to do something - when the marketshare gets down to 1% I'm jumping ship.

what was it last? 1.8%?

Well if you put FireWire 400 and 800, Gigabit Ethernet, Serial ATA, PCI-X, Digital Optical Audio and all the other things that for example the G5's got in a PC you'll get:

a. A PC that will cost you at least the same (If not more since you wanna buy quality components wich Apple buys at a low price in volume)

b. A PC that'll be hell to use cause you'll have to juggle with DLLs and wizards and all the other Windows crap 'cause you added all this hardware.

About that market share thing. I wonder why it matters to you how much market share they got. You need a Computer that works for you right? So why bother.
And btw the way the market share gets counted it's no wonder Apple gets around 2-3%. If a really big Bank buys like 30'000 Windows licenses that'll count as 30'000. When in reality it should count as one 'cause it's one customer. And the poor drones that work there do use Word and Excel only anyways. So in reality the modern Windows PC in an enviroment like that is not much more than a Terminal, hooked up to a Mainframe, was 30 Years ago.
My point is, that Apple hasn't got that many big customers who use all of their computers for the same task.
So my guess is that when you count the "real" customers who don't work like the drones you'll get another number. Though it is clear that a higher share from whatever they got now would do them good.

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[Dont Hurt Me]

Nothing is ever good enough for some people, nubero. Apple could announce that they were giving away a free G5 1.8 dual to anyone who ordered a computer in the last two years, and we'd still have people griping. Some would be mad it wasn't three years, others that it wasn't a dual, and ones like DHM would be pissed that it wasn't an Athlon under the hood. It's just how the world is. You can't make everyone happy. 🙄

why the smear campaign thatwendigo, Go read MacAddict or MacWorld. when Mac publications say the new Powermac isnt the fastest computer what more do you need. Rdowns sent me a copy of the Macworld tests and in all but one the Mac Lost and THATS A MAC PUBLICATION! WAKE UP from your DENIAL. are you employed by APPLE and have to spin the truth? Fact is we have Hardware that just gets back into the same league. Dual G5s. But they still cost a lot more and are not the fastest. only fastest in those few benches. Stop the lies to Mac readers they deserve the truth.

 

[nubero]

You can't make everyone happy. 🙄

...But you should always try 😛

Thanks for your reply!

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[nubero]

why the smear campaign thatwendigo, Go read MacAddict or MacWorld. when Mac publications say the new Powermac isnt the fastest computer what more do you need. Rdowns sent me a copy of the Macworld tests and in all but one the Mac Lost and THATS A MAC PUBLICATION! WAKE UP from your DENIAL. are you employed by APPLE and have to spin the truth? Fact is we have Hardware that just gets back into the same league. Dual G5s. But they still cost a lot more and are not the fastest. only fastest in those few benches. Stop the lies to Mac readers they deserve the truth.

Go buy a Dell then for Pete's sake.

I do believe that by now the G5 isn't THE fastest Desktop anymore but that's totally besides the point. Point is that the G5 gave us a whole new architecture that can only get better. Apple had a good way of covering up the fact, that they haven't got that much R&D money.
Think about it for a second: The mainboard of the very first G4 was based on the G3's. after a while they just tweaked it a bit. The performance they got from it 'till the G5 arrived was - keeping what I just said in mind - pretty good. They were/are changing one big thing after the other: First the OS, now the Hardware.
Now with the G5 architecture they got themselves a big open space again in terms of memory and I/O bandwith.
So do I care if a Computer gets comparable slower to others after 4-6 months? Not really. And especially not with those G5s. I'm pretty critic to all the marketing talk but the statement that "this is just the beginning" should turn out to be very true in this case. 😱

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[jsw]

Wow! I go away for a few hours, and a single new thread gets opened up here and - bam - it's three pages long in no time whatsoever. And guess what? Half of it is the same as on every other thread here!

We really need something new from Apple. Not so much because we need the speed (or because we do need it, depending on whose posts you root for). But because it's getting boring here! I mean, if you remove the "when is something coming out" and the Mac-vs-PC-speed posts, well, there's not a lot left!

God, at this point, I'd be happy if they announce new iPod earbuds, now in various colors. Or scratch-n-sniff minis. Or a new GarageBand JamPack that's all bagpipes. Just something. Anything. I don't care if people buy it, love it, hate it, wish it was faster/smaller/cheaper/pink. Whatever. At least it'd be something different.

🙂

 

[Xnet]

Well if you put FireWire 400 and 800, Gigabit Ethernet, Serial ATA, PCI-X, Digital Optical Audio and all the other things that for example the G5's got in a PC you'll get:

a. A PC that will cost you at least the same (If not more since you wanna buy quality components wich Apple buys at a low price in volume)

b. A PC that'll be hell to use cause you'll have to juggle with DLLs and wizards and all the other Windows crap 'cause you added all this hardware.

About that market share thing. I wonder why it matters to you how much market share they got. You need a Computer that works for you right? So why bother.
And btw the way the market share gets counted it's no wonder Apple gets around 2-3%. If a really big Bank buys like 30'000 Windows licenses that'll count as 30'000. When in reality it should count as one 'cause it's one customer. And the poor drones that work there do use Word and Excel only anyways. So in reality the modern Windows PC in an enviroment like that is not much more than a Terminal, hooked up to a Mainframe, was 30 Years ago.
My point is, that Apple hasn't got that many big customers who use all of their computers for the same task.
So my guess is that when you count the "real" customers who don't work like the drones you'll get another number. Though it is clear that a higher share from whatever they got now would do them good.

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I'm not just talking about the G5s the iMacs are really overpriced too and underperform. You can get a Dell 3.4 P4 with a Radeon 9800 Pro for less than 2000 with a LCD display - all with quality parts since they come from the same place that Apple gets them.

Its simple economics I cant afford to pay $1000 more for an Apple. If I could run OS X on a PC that would be great - but Linux isnt too bad.

 

[rdowns]

Funny how there's never a direct quotation, citation, or graph you can show us, DHM. For all we know, you're completely fabricating this, or (what I consider more likely, given your track record) absolutely and completely misunderstanding and misrepresenting something that you think you read.

I don't think they have the story on theor web site, this is all I could find.

http://www.macworld.com/2003/12/magazine/december2003/

I have the issue. G5 lost 4 of 6 real world tests.(Word, Quake III, Premier (not a fair test since FCP is not on a PC to compare) and MP3 encoding) he Mac won in Photoshop and MPEG-2 encoding.

 

[jsw]

I don't think they have the story on theor web site, this is all I could find.

http://www.macworld.com/2003/12/magazine/december2003/

I have the issue. G5 lost 4 of 6 real world tests.(Word, Quake III, Premier (not a fair test since FCP is not on a PC to compare) and MP3 encoding) he Mac won in Photoshop and MPEG-2 encoding.

For me, the ones the Mac won are the ones that count - and FCP would've kicked the butt of Premier, so I count that as well. Quake III, I couldn't care less about. And Word, well, hell it keeps up with my typing just fine even on my lowly dual-2.

They're close enough for me. And the quality of the Mac also counts for me. Seriously, it's built like a tank but also with amazing attention to detail inside that would shame Alienware. Those things count, too. A decade or so ago, a friend of mine had a tuned Firebird that was a bit faster - straight line - than my Mazda RX-7 (both were 1993 models). You know what? I had a lot more fun with my car. Same with the Mac. It has "soul". I can't quantify it, but it matters to me.

 

[shen]

why the smear campaign

Fact is we have Hardware that just gets back into the same league. Dual G5s. But they still cost a lot more and are not the fastest. only fastest in those few benches. Stop the lies to Mac readers they deserve the truth.

i won't argue the speed issue, because 1) they aren't the fastest, and 2) 90% of all users don't even need a G4, let alone dual G5.

having said that......

cost a lot more? what are you smoking? find me a machine with similar quality and performance and it will have similar or higher price. and don't you dare quote me some POS dell, 30% return rate "i personally shipped 32 of one hundred ten machines back to them DOA only cause i fixed a dozen more myself for not having the mobo power hooked up, the idiots" crap. i want a real machine. that leaves me with a very select (alienware for example) set of options, and i want *nix, which cuts the list shorter, and OS X is *nix done right, so there is one option.

you don't like Apples stuff? why are you always here?

 

[nubero]

I'm not just talking about the G5s the iMacs are really overpriced too and underperform. You can get a Dell 3.4 P4 with a Radeon 9800 Pro for less than 2000 with a LCD display - all with quality parts since they come from the same place that Apple gets them.

Its simple economics I cant afford to pay $1000 more for an Apple. If I could run OS X on a PC that would be great - but Linux isnt too bad.

Well maybe you should go to Dell's website and double check as i got $2,148 for a Dimension 8300 that is more or less comparable to the 20" iMac for $2,199.00
Just did the test right now 'cause I didn't want to believe you. And there you are. And yes, I didn't forget the screen, or the software or the memory...

No one is a magician. If you want something good, you'll have to pay for it. If it is a Car a Computer or anything else. That's the way it has always been. Or do you think Michael Dull or Bill Hates gonna throw their products at you for free 'cause the two got enough money allready?

Sorry, didn't mean to bash that much but this price comparraison statement just made me a bit angry (as it always does). So no offense OK? 😉

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[GFLPraxis]

Oh please.

How come whenever Microsoft claims to have the best operating system, or when Microsoft claims to have the best Office program, nobody ever says that there isn't sufficient evidence?