Dancing around the question/proof we are asking for probably because you don't have it. Provide the proof.
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Dancing around the question/proof we are asking for probably because you don't have it. Provide the proof.
Why in the world would Apple question the legitimacy of your coverage? I mean, unless it comes down to a situation where you need to prove your coverage. There's no reason you'd lose out if you have a legit box.
Now this is getting seriously silly. Applecare is a global warranty protection plan and Apple specifically allows that units bought in country A can be serviced in country B even when the customer lives in country C. Therefore, the comparison with manufacturers who offer a country-specific warranty fails.
I have great sympathy for people sharing facts and discussing them, but this only works if you know the facts.
You have asked the question, and we have answered the question. Just go and read it.
Wow you continue to dance around.....
I could say I am Bill Gates of Microsoft....would you believe me? No. I don't believe words. I believe a SCAN COPY of something from Apple saying you are a legitimate Reseller of Apple. Why can't you provide that simple request? You keep ignoring it! I am willing to bet that you aren't at all.
here's the post i was referring to
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/690859/
seems it was closed after 26 pages and 6 months - going round in circles - i'm betting this one doesn't last as long
seems the person who was taking some of the 'focus' last time Macman812 is still active on here - wonder if he has anything to add?
the other thing i remember thinking last time (pretty sure I posted my thoughts in there as well) was about the motivations of all of the posters.
on this thread it seems safe to assume toshcomputers is defending his/her business - nothing necessarily wrong with that.
some like me might be defending ebay purchases as we wouldn't want to admit the possibility of a mistake or we might have successfully used the ac we bought at a great price
those 'focusing' on the downsides of ebay in general and toshcomputers specifically, might have been burnt by previous ebay experience, they might be looking out for other less experienced mac owners or they might have a vested interest in minimising the amount of applecare sold on ebay.
when something becomes as heated as this probably will (has already?) - it's always worth considering the motivations of those posting.
as the americans say - 'just sayin'
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the other thing that i remember from last time was based on the assumption that these are legitimate AC's.
think toshcomputers says he gets his from apple earlier - it's late and i cant be bothered checking. even if he didn't - let's assume he buys them from someone else who's authorised to sell them. 2 thoughts spring to mind;
1. is this against apples ts and cs to 'sell on' AC - and if it is do we think those ts and cs are enforceable in all of the countries you can buy from ebay on?
2. for these sellers to make a profit, there's an awful big margin (profit) on applecare ie what apple sells wholesale is a lot less than what it retails at.
couple of interesting links i've just found
http://cgi.ebay.com/AppleCare-13-Ma...ltDomain_0&hash=item45f7a112ba#ht_1438wt_1141 this is from macman812 - couldnt find toshcomputers - its late!
http://www.amazon.com/AppleCare-Pro...K4NI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293161503&sr=8-1
so we can see that discounts are available and ebay isn't too much different to a 'more reputable' seller. what toshcomputers sell at i don't know.
if it were my money right now (at 330 am) i'd go for amazon for the extra $5 knowing there's no chance of them reneging on the deal later.
for what it's worth i remember the discounts being larger 2 years ago - read into that what you will
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/690859/
seems it was closed after 26 pages and 6 months - going round in circles - i'm betting this one doesn't last as long
seems the person who was taking some of the 'focus' last time Macman812 is still active on here - wonder if he has anything to add?
the other thing i remember thinking last time (pretty sure I posted my thoughts in there as well) was about the motivations of all of the posters.
on this thread it seems safe to assume toshcomputers is defending his/her business - nothing necessarily wrong with that.
some like me might be defending ebay purchases as we wouldn't want to admit the possibility of a mistake
or we might have successfully used the ac we bought at a great price those 'focusing' on the downsides of ebay in general and toshcomputers specifically, might have been burnt by previous ebay experience, they might be looking out for other less experienced mac owners or they might have a vested interest in minimising the amount of applecare sold on ebay.
when something becomes as heated as this probably will (has already?) - it's always worth considering the motivations of those posting.
as the americans say - 'just sayin'
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the other thing that i remember from last time was based on the assumption that these are legitimate AC's.
think toshcomputers says he gets his from apple earlier - it's late and i cant be bothered checking. even if he didn't - let's assume he buys them from someone else who's authorised to sell them. 2 thoughts spring to mind;
1. is this against apples ts and cs to 'sell on' AC - and if it is do we think those ts and cs are enforceable in all of the countries you can buy from ebay on?
2. for these sellers to make a profit, there's an awful big margin (profit) on applecare ie what apple sells wholesale is a lot less than what it retails at.
couple of interesting links i've just found
http://cgi.ebay.com/AppleCare-13-Ma...ltDomain_0&hash=item45f7a112ba#ht_1438wt_1141 this is from macman812 - couldnt find toshcomputers - its late!
http://www.amazon.com/AppleCare-Pro...K4NI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293161503&sr=8-1
so we can see that discounts are available and ebay isn't too much different to a 'more reputable' seller. what toshcomputers sell at i don't know.
if it were my money right now (at 330 am) i'd go for amazon for the extra $5 knowing there's no chance of them reneging on the deal later.
for what it's worth i remember the discounts being larger 2 years ago - read into that what you will
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I do apologize to all forum members who in deed spent the time read what was posted, and I am repeating the prior post for this member who does not:
"Is this comedy hour here? Of course we are not an Apple reseller and never have said we were. Only because we are not an Apple dealer can we sell Apple product, which we buy from Apple in huge quantities and have so since 1987, below Apple retail prices. In none of our listings do we state we are an Apple dealer, and on each of our web store pages is a detailed description of how we work and that we compete with Apple with their own products. When Apple registers AppleCare they make NO distinction between AppleCare sold through their dealers or sold through others (as they are required to by law), and thus the only difference in the product is the lower price outside the Apple dealer network. Apple seems to be quite content with what we are doing, and even gave us permission to use their trademarks for the advertising of the genuine Apple products we sell..."
Then you proved your point. Thank you. Apple has strict policies that state you must be a authorized reseller to sell their product and have a warranty on it especially selling Apple Care with a receipt for proof. Buying from you people won't get that.
Seriously people, spend $50 more and buy it from an authorized reseller or directly from Apple. You more than that on coffee in a month.
Oh really? I would be most delighted if you could prove this point as that would mean Apple violates the anti-trust and consumer protection laws in Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, NZ... Anyone who buys a product from Apple owns it, and can sell it to anyone they like. Following your logic you could never sell anyone your old Mac. This it nutty. You have been spitting fire here for a while and it now seems as if you really don't know anything about the topic you elect to participate in. In the spirit of the serious participants here, can i ask you to please refrain from posting speculation and guesses?
Are you an authorized reseller? I don't care about anti trust laws, just asking.
Per his post quoted to me...
"Of course we are not an Apple reseller and never have said we were. "
Amen. That way we wouldn't have to repeat the posts here that have been around for more than a year.
That doesn't violate crap. Apple decides who can sell their product. There is no laws that protects against that. Just like how Apple only allows AT&T to sell their iphone and support it at least till recently now that Best Buy and Walmart can do it as well.
Just like how Dell only allows Best Buy, Walmart and their store to sell their product.
Also like how CISCO only allows certain resellers support and sell their product.
I can't believe how much BS you keep spewing.
I won't even dignify this with an educated reply other than to invite you to google "parallel importing" legislation, and then, if you are able to read and comprehend with an open mind, you will know why we have been selling Apple and Adobe products for decades, cheaper than the manufacturers and with superb success, if a 100% feedback on eBay is any indication...
If Dell does allow others to sell their product, then they are not just selling through their own dealers are they? That is exactly the erroneous point you argued Apple does. Apple sells to their own dealers, they sell to us, and they sell to many other non-Apple resellers, and if you googled for a few minutes you'd find 40-50 right away. Now, what was your point again? Apple only selling through its own dealers?
Can we get this thread back on track of AppleCare? If you want to open a new forum "How come that ToshComputers can sell cheaper than Apple", be my guest, but let's not hijack this topic here.
The topic is completely ON TOPIC. We are discussing his Apple Care and why it was denied and what we have been through in the past with it. This is in regards to you, MacMan and a few others with the same crap.
Stop trying to change the subject when we are on the subject at hand.
I just looked up every applecare listing, none with "tosh" or "tosh computer" or "tosh computers" and no users exist with those names either... Funny if you were selling 1,000 a month you would surely have a listing up right now.
I am gonna add my 2 cents ... this started with a forgetful guy who vacationed through his AppleCare registration date.
The guy from Tosh here ... seems like he is not an authorized re-seller of Apple products but a Guy who has purchased a ****load of Apple products over the years and resells them out of New Zealand with what it seems some success. Not sure why toshcomputer.com does not work or his other site toshnewzealand.com doesn't work either. He has spent a lot of time defending this one case of Applecare when the main reason for being not valid is the guy who over-vacationed his Applecare time limit.
If Toshcomputers was a scam ... finding that out on the internet would be fairly easy and that seems not to be the case.
If you are Jens, good luck ... seems like people are giving you a hard time for no good reason.
just my 2 cents
The guy from Tosh here ... seems like he is not an authorized re-seller of Apple products but a Guy who has purchased a ****load of Apple products over the years and resells them out of New Zealand with what it seems some success. Not sure why toshcomputer.com does not work or his other site toshnewzealand.com doesn't work either. He has spent a lot of time defending this one case of Applecare when the main reason for being not valid is the guy who over-vacationed his Applecare time limit.
If Toshcomputers was a scam ... finding that out on the internet would be fairly easy and that seems not to be the case.
If you are Jens, good luck ... seems like people are giving you a hard time for no good reason.
just my 2 cents
Can't have looked very well, we have listings constantly on ebay.com.au, eba.co.uk, and ebay.it and our username is toshcomputers...
I am gonna add my 2 cents ... this started with a forgetful guy who vacationed through his AppleCare registration date.
The guy from Tosh here ... seems like he is not an authorized re-seller of Apple products but a Guy who has purchased a ****load of Apple products over the years and resells them out of New Zealand with what it seems some success. Not sure why toshcomputer.com does not work or his other site toshnewzealand.com doesn't work either. He has spent a lot of time defending this one case of Applecare when the main reason for being not valid is the guy who over-vacationed his Applecare time limit.
If Toshcomputers was a scam ... finding that out on the internet would be fairly easy and that seems not to be the case.
If you are Jens, good luck ... seems like people are giving you a hard time for no good reason.
just my 2 cents
If this is him, he has a lot up.
http://myworld.ebay.com.au/toshcomputers/
Not sure why toshcomputer.com does not work or his other site toshnewzealand.com doesn't work either.
If you are Jens, good luck ... seems like people are giving you a hard time for no good reason.
just my 2 cents
Access to the store is region-specific.
Being insulted by people who for whatever reason have an axe to grind against people they don't even know or dealt with, is part of our job. We do this every day, although MacRumors participants seem more ill-informed and aggressive than the thread participants in other fora.
Thanks for the good wishes, and best holiday greetings back to you.
What nonsense. None of our clients have ever "been through" anything. We are not MacMan or "few others". We are a large firm that has been in business longer than you seem to be old, and your generalities without any foundation are repetitive and plain silly. Find something specific that relates to us, and we are happy to reply. Bitch and moan about other people, and then address that to those, not us.
No problem ... seemed like it was turning into a witch-hunt and I just wanted to add some support your way ... Merry Christmas.
Why in the world would Apple question the legitimacy of your coverage? I mean, unless it comes down to a situation where you need to prove your coverage.
Isn't that what this thread is about?
And if you read the AppleCare agreement Apple can demand "proof" of purchase at any time.
You would think.
But I travel across the U.S. a great deal and am not going to drag a box with me just to prove my code is legitimate. And I doubt folks carry a receipt in their pockets.
No, we do not sell in the US because the prices there are already so low, we couldn't make any money. We sell in the UK, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, Singapore, Australia, Poland, italy, France, Czech Republic, Austria, Luxembourg and Spain, and have offices in most of those countries. We are about to open offices in Sweden and Finland.
Try "toshcomputers" because I found him in about 15 seconds
Gotta look up the right name to find what your after <3