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I think the iMac uses standard SATA, or some Apple proprietary SATA connection for SSD rather than SSD blade which uses PCI connection. Only MacBook Airs use SSD blade.

On the iMac AFAIK the proprietary parts are the caddy for the drive and the end if the cable that plugs into the motherboard

The air's blade SSD most definitely uses SATA, just happens that mini-pcie and sata have the same *physical* pin layout , the SSD is using sata though, not hanging directly off the pcie bus, as awesome as that would be (though with apple's ssds you prolly wouldn't notice a difference)
 
I am not that excited about a 15" MBA.

The whole point of the Air is to make it as tiny as possible.

Are you all so blind that you need such a large screen? I love my 11" MBA mostly because its so tiny!
 
if they can somehow get a decent gpu in there and not the intel HD crap i will be all for this.

with my 17" mbp being my main computer, i will basically need the 15 to handle my manipulation of high res pictures without lag
 
Thank god. I am wanting a more powerful machine for gaming because my MBA 11" can't handle anything.

15" MBA with reasonable graphics and processing power will BLOW my mind.
 
That's it I am upgrading to MBA 15"

I was instantly in love with the svelte industrial look of MBA when it was introduced back in 2010. I delayed my purchase by sheer power of impulse control, LOL, until I found out that the MBA is not powerful enough to play 1080p movies which I have tons of. The i5/i7 updates are noticeably faster on paper but by this time Ivy Bridge with "significantly faster IGPU" is about to be released. Now with this MBA 15" news, if it really materializes, seems to be a firm upgrade for me in a long time.
 
Personally, what I'd like to see for the Macbook Pro is a built in SSD like the airs, 128GB for the cheaper model, 256GB for the more expensive, and then the option for an additional SSD/Rotational HDD in place of the optical drive (a la optibay), except supported by Apple.... Probably a pipe dream, but suites my needs far more than an ultrathin laptop. IMO it shouldn't be an either or thing, both laptops could happily coincide - more choices = better.
 
I'd be perfectly happy if they just took the specs of a high-end 13" MBA, added an 8GB RAM option and a higher res screen, and used the rest of the extra space for more battery (i.e. 10+(?) hours).
 
Support for floppy drive was discontinued because the replacement (CD drive) was invented not because Apple dropped support for it. Claiming that Apple is more innovative than other computer manufacturers is just laughable. BTW, here is the original ultra-thin laptop - Sony Vaio Z - 0.6" thin:

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Original? LOL! Guess it's Apple hater night at MR.
(you do know there were laptops in the 90s, right?)
If minidisplay was anything... Apple could just give us another reason to buy another dongle.

MiniEthernet anyone?
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC704ZM/A
 
Sony VAIO-Z has Ethernet port (and even VGA):

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Woah. Impressed. Let's see what Apple has in store for us then!

I have to say though... just looking at the ethernet port on my MBP, I can't see how it can get any thinner without the Ethernet port being there. But that's my untrained eye... let's see!
 
No no, this can't be the Pro, unless Apple is reviewing the meaning of "pro" in its products as was evidenced by Final Cut Pro X.

Depends on where you put the 'goal posts' for 'professional' given the tent of who and who isn't a professional is pretty wide and expansive. Final Cut Pro is 'work in progress' where the only thing they did wrong was to stop selling the previous version until Final Cut Pro X was at feature parity with the old version. Something re-written from the ground up will always have things missing - you can keep it locked away until it is 'feature complete' and have something that is never released (anyone remember the Mozilla fiasco years ago where it almost seemed that it would never get released?) or you ship it and provide timely updates. 10.1 came out relatively quickly and hopefully if they push out an update either end of this year beginning of next to fill in some of the major final gaps many of the problems will be resolved. End of the day though I think what many people demand is better delivered by specialists like Avid whose bread and butter is serving the professional community.

As for the hardware - I question what will happen with the Mac Pro now that the Thunderbolt pretty much has killed its reason for existence; the question is whether the pro-community can suck up their pride and get an iMac or whether they'll have this "real men own towers" attitude when it comes to owning computers. Yes, there are 'professionals' who make such statements - as if a 'tower' is more a 'real computer' than an all in one.
 
this is going to be a huge deciding factor for my purchase. If the mba/p has an ivy bridge then i'm jumping on it. If not, then in march i'm getting a new laptop anyway... I've waited too long. My core2duo with overheating graphics on my dell is pissing me off.

With ivy bridge everything changes, graphics will be strong enough for my preference and the form factor is going to be wonderful. Oh fu** it. I'm waiting till ivy bridge. :)

this is me too!
 
Depends on where you put the 'goal posts' for 'professional' given the tent of who and who isn't a professional is pretty wide and expansive. Final Cut Pro is 'work in progress' where the only thing they did wrong was to stop selling the previous version until Final Cut Pro X was at feature parity with the old version. Something re-written from the ground up will always have things missing - you can keep it locked away until it is 'feature complete' and have something that is never released (anyone remember the Mozilla fiasco years ago where it almost seemed that it would never get released?) or you ship it and provide timely updates. 10.1 came out relatively quickly and hopefully if they push out an update either end of this year beginning of next to fill in some of the major final gaps many of the problems will be resolved. End of the day though I think what many people demand is better delivered by specialists like Avid whose bread and butter is serving the professional community.

As for the hardware - I question what will happen with the Mac Pro now that the Thunderbolt pretty much has killed its reason for existence; the question is whether the pro-community can suck up their pride and get an iMac or whether they'll have this "real men own towers" attitude when it comes to owning computers. Yes, there are 'professionals' who make such statements - as if a 'tower' is more a 'real computer' than an all in one.

The biggest problem with the AIO machines like the iMac is over-heating. If you push the iMac as hard as many "pro" users push their machines, it's known to get very hot easily and in some cases overheat. Plus the fact when you buy a new iMac you have to replace the computer & the screen vs just replacing the computer when you buy a new Mac Pro or Mini.

Then there's the issue of expandability. Yes, I realize there's TB but it's that ubiquitious yet and peripherals are now starting to trickle out that take advantage of it so there needs to be some transition (not long, maybe like couple of years) until pro users can move to fully using TB.

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this is me too!

this is me three. I'm fairly confident the next iteration of the MBA / P will have Ivy Bridge. That's why I've held off buying anything current.
 
So beautiful! I'm excited, although I need the horsepower and really hope that it's going to be i7 quad core... screw the optical disc.
 
the question is whether the pro-community can suck up their pride and get an iMac or whether they'll have this "real men own towers" attitude when it comes to owning computers. Yes, there are 'professionals' who make such statements - as if a 'tower' is more a 'real computer' than an all in one.

It's not about "real men". I gather your knowledge of how expansive things can be and actually are with the Mac Pro in the professional world is limited. One example of what you can't do with an iMac is install third party hardware because you don't have PCI slots. You can't install most of these products for example in an iMac.
 
Hard drives can crash. Online storage can just be discontinued, much like Mobile Me was :rolleyes:

Optical Drives can snap, scratch and become jammed in your slot drive. Your logic is flawed. What is stopping you from getting an external superdrive to burn your irreplaceable storage medium that you might find melted or unreadable in a few year's time.
 
Original? LOL! Guess it's Apple hater night at MR.
(you do know there were laptops in the 90s, right?)

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC704ZM/A

And if this machine is Ivy Bridge it will have USB3, just in time for Apple to release a USB3-->GigE version of their adapter! Yay dongles! :rolleyes:

Optical Drives can snap, scratch and become jammed in your slot drive. Your logic is flawed. What is stopping you from getting an external superdrive to burn your irreplaceable storage medium that you might find melted or unreadable in a few year's time.

but optical discs are very cheap. Honestly, my most *important* stuff falls into 2 categories.

Small stuff (relatively speaking): Documents, pictures, source code

Big stuff: my stored output data from test runs, mostly large because I keep interim files for back checking my work later.

Most people only have the first category, and a few DVDs is easily enough to account for it. DVDs are really bloody cheap, which means you can burn plenty of backups without worrying about the cost much, as opposed to using hard drives, etc
 
I am not that excited about a 15" MBA.

The whole point of the Air is to make it as tiny as possible.

Are you all so blind that you need such a large screen? I love my 11" MBA mostly because its so tiny!

Yeah I'm blind. I have dozens of Windows open as a Website Content Writer and need 1080p Resolution for that. Sorry for my blindness :rolleyes:

I hope the 15" model has a decent resolution, would be great to have such a big and lightweight notebook with me all the time.
 
Sandy or Ivy?

(Ivy = USB3)

No one knows. They can only speculate, but Sandy would seem kind of pointless as a release candidate next year. Don't get too hopeful on ports for ultra light form factors.

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Stoked. A 15" that is easy to carry at round all day. I called this months ago :p

I hope it really happens

Current is already easy to carry around all day. You are looking for completely unnoticeable rather than simply easy :p.

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This will be a 15" air...current high performance sandy bridge processors use up 45w.. That's too hot for such a small enclosure..
If the launch window is later, say May, then a thin 'pro' book would've been conceivable, with the release of ivy bridge. But in that timeframe, it's a 15" air, not a pro, or at least a 'pro' that's significantly less powerful than the current pro

Ivy Bridge according to recent articles isn't looking like a truly significant power drop across the board. In a given processor range, it seems like the top tdp used has come down. I think the macbook air is going to eventually occupy the 13" and 15" sizes. The 11" air with 2GB of ram is kind of an awkward replacement to the older macbook.

I think it's too early for the SSD as a standard, honestly. Too expensive, and not all MBP owners would appreciate smaller storage and higher cost. Also, too early for an optical disk killing, especially for high end MBP's.

Ivy Bridge is obvious, and I can speculate a resolution bump up as well. I don't think that the dedicated GPU's will be at all "decent", since when have they really been decent, up-to-standards AND have decent battery life?

With Ivy Bridge, I would expect at LEAST 7-8 hours of battery life with the greatly increased power efficiency. I also believe a design change as well, most likely on the thinning side.

A display upgrade in these would be cool. It's difficult to get quality that thin. I don't think it'll displace the macbook pro. I think we'll see a transition to a 13" and 15" air rather than 11" and 13" over the next couple years. To get the macbook pro into an air like form factor, you'll need much cooler cpus (more than ivy bridge will deliver) and

I think if Apple made a thinner MBP wouldn't they have to remove the optical drive and the HDD? If you take the back off, those two components seem to be the thickest along with the battery (but that would be redesigned). I agree with what your saying about the cost of an SSD, but again, if there is going to be a MBA like MBP, I can't picture it with a HDD.

The GPU was definitely wishful thinking lol. I tried to use as loose of a term as I could.

I think you'll see a 15" macbook air for now. Later on we'll see a macbook pro thinner with integrated graphics. There are many more issues with implementation in a macbook pro including gpu, desire for greater ram, hard drive capacity, display quality, raw cpu power, and ports. We expect greater performance from a macbook pro, and many people use them as desktop replacements. It's pointless releasing a 15" in an air form factor until you have options that are at the very least, not a downgrade in computing power from the previous generation.

That seems like a major possibility, although it's worth noting that due to the flooding in Thailand, HDD supplies are limited and prices have shown a substantial increase in recent weeks. The situation is expected to last until mid-2012. Meanwhile, SSD makers are taking advantage of the situation -- and the expected acceleration in the shift in demand from HDDs to SSDs -- by increasing their own manufacturing capacity (possibly leading to lower SSD prices)

The net result: expect the price gap between the two to become much narrower for many market segments over the next six months.

If I knew it would happen I would have purchased many hard drives before the shortage. The components needed to make ssds are still quite expensive and the margins aren't always that great, so we'll see I guess.

Optical Drives can snap, scratch and become jammed in your slot drive. Your logic is flawed. What is stopping you from getting an external superdrive to burn your irreplaceable storage medium that you might find melted or unreadable in a few year's time.

Archival quality dvds are available. They cost more, but assuming ownership of a device that can read them, they are probably more reliable than archived hard drives. If we had archival quality burnable blu ray media i'd be tempted to use it. Archiving sucks when you have many many terabytes worth of data.
 
No ODD( comes with an external superdrive), blade SSDs, upgradable RAM, IPS display with high resolution, liquid metal body, high quality metal keys, somehow even better trackpad, thinner than current MBPs but not as thin as Air.

iWant.
 
Ivy Bridge really enables an interesting 15" MacBook Air. Going from 13" to 15", Apple can easily go from 17W to 25W. That means a 15" MacBook Air can have a quad-core CPU with 8GB cache and good integrated graphics. It should be able to keep up with the 2011 MacBook Pro in benchmarks.

What I want:
- 4GB standard, 8GB BTO option
- Two SSD stick slots, with 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB sticks, for a maximum 1TB configuration
- All solid-state, no HHD or ODD
- 1680x1050 standard with 2880x1800 (retina) optional
- Dual channel Thunderbolt (like on most Macs) not single channel like on the 2011 MacBook Air
 
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