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It's not about "real men". I gather your knowledge of how expansive things can be and actually are with the Mac Pro in the professional world is limited. One example of what you can't do with an iMac is install third party hardware because you don't have PCI slots. You can't install most of these products for example in an iMac.

So what's the point as you don't need any of that...... You have excellent professional Music videos and even MAJOR release movies that were edited on a Macbook Pro laptop.


You don't need all of that to make it happen.
 
With Intel 22nm Ivy Bridge including 3-D Tri-Gate transistors.
 
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Ivy Bridge really enables an interesting 15" MacBook Air. Going from 13" to 15", Apple can easily go from 17W to 25W. That means a 15" MacBook Air can have a quad-core CPU with 8GB cache and good integrated graphics. It should be able to keep up with the 2011 MacBook Pro in benchmarks.

What I want:
- 4GB standard, 8GB BTO option
- Two SSD stick slots, with 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB sticks, for a maximum 1TB configuration
- All solid-state, no HHD or ODD
- 1680x1050 standard with 2880x1800 (retina) optional
- Dual channel Thunderbolt (like on most Macs) not single channel like on the 2011 MacBook Air

I think 35W is more realistic for the quad core. Maybe a low power quad can be realized at 25W?

The solution with two SSD stick slots actually sounds good. Have to see how good the new onboard graphics chip is. Also 8 GB RAM will be almost mandatory since the built-in GPU will share that memory.
 
I'm all about this, getting rid of the optical drive, as long as they give us an extra USB port or two :cool:

what would REALLY be cool is gettin rid of the optical, replace it with an SSD, so you have a hybrid (hdd & ssd)... and of course an extra friggin usb port
 
I am not that excited about a 15" MBA.

The whole point of the Air is to make it as tiny as possible.

Are you all so blind that you need such a large screen? I love my 11" MBA mostly because its so tiny!

I use my current laptop (15.4") 4-5 hours a day so I don't want to look at a tiny screen.

This laptop, plus a thunderbolt display, will definitely be my next big purchase, so I can finally get rid of that huge pc case sitting next to me right now.
 
2x ssd slots (1tb octane) raid 0 configurable plz!

2x thunderbolt ports - one for each side...since it was limited to copper (and not fiber optic) and has a maximum length of 3m.

Oh, and some thunderbolt accessories would be nice.

The LaCie thunderbolt hard drive has disappeared - i guess their "late spring, summer at the latest" NAB claims were a drunk and disorderly declaration.
In their defense... Where the hell is everyone else?? G-tech???

small simple usb/firewire adapters or something would be nice.
anything?!?
 
I think 35W is more realistic for the quad core. Maybe a low power quad can be realized at 25W?
Sandy Bridge quad-core processors are 45W. Going from a 32nm process to a 22nm process cuts power consumption in half (the square of 22 is less than half of the square of 32) all else being equal. Intel can definitely produce 25W quad-core Ivy Bridge processors.

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If parts are shipping now this will be a Sandy Bridge based laptop, NOT Ivy Bridge.

Ivy Bridge processors have been sampling for a long time and are now available to top customers like Apple by the hundreds for limited production runs as part of product development. These chips are unlikely to be the final mask.
 
Umm..no thanks. Id take windows 8 reasonably priced laptop over this garbage. Tim Cook, you are the beginning of the end! Watch out for Wild Bill. I cant wait to see windows 8 own this, completely. This will be I bet 2 grand! Rip apple, 2k7-2k11

I have collegues who need a computer running Windows ("I take Windows 8" obviously marks you as an idiot, because you can't buy any laptop with Windows 8), who are professionals with good salaries, working for a company that makes money so they can buy good stuff for work related equipment, and they all agree that the MacBook Air, with Windows from our company license installed at no cost, is the best Windows laptop that money can buy.

I think if Apple made a thinner MBP wouldn't they have to remove the optical drive and the HDD? If you take the back off, those two components seem to be the thickest along with the battery (but that would be redesigned). I agree with what your saying about the cost of an SSD, but again, if there is going to be a MBA like MBP, I can't picture it with a HDD.

Probably. That's why Apple would keep selling the old model as well.
 
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When Apple killed the floppy I cheered. I'll be just as happy when they kill the SuperDrives. Here's lookin' at you mechanical storage!!!

Yeah, it's always great when you lose features and options and still have to pay a hefty price so that you can do less than you could before...

Oh Lord, please let it rain brains...
 
It's not about "real men". I gather your knowledge of how expansive things can be and actually are with the Mac Pro in the professional world is limited. One example of what you can't do with an iMac is install third party hardware because you don't have PCI slots. You can't install most of these products for example in an iMac.

You do realize that the have thunderbolt adapters listed on that page to run in place of those video cards, right?

Just because you think you need one of those cards, doesn't mean there aren't alternative ways to accomplish the same thing. It does look like my iMac could use almost everything on that link.
 
The current MBP line was designed in stone age, it's bulky and heavy by today's standard.

An ultra-thin 15" MacBook doesn't need to be as thin as the Air, just make it slimmer and lighter, will be enough to make me buy one!

The current MBP is fine. If anything, your constant trolling and otherwise useless posts on MacRumors could otherwise be spent outside, at a gym, or getting some exercise so that your muscles are larger than the 5mm spaghetti you eat every night for dinner, so you can afford to lift a machine you bought because it was 'portable'.
 
I think it would be great to not have an optical drive. Mine never really worked, it keeps screwing up and not burning anything, and it never really was an issue (yes it's annoying but I'd rather have a lighter machine or more storage).

Not sure how thin a MacBook Pro could be, given that we now have quad core CPUs with dedicated GPUs, which requires two fans and all the stuff that goes with it. An SSD also can't really be in the 500GB-1TB range today, it's too expensive. I imagine that without an optical drive, the MBP could be thinner, but not as much as the Air.

Since SSD prices are still very high, and Apple is aware that pros want high storage capacity (500-750 GB), why not use a HDD/(blade) SSD combo, as they do in the iMac and Mac mini? Seems like the best of both worlds to me.

Wouldn't that cause the device to be thicker, or I mean at least as thick as it is now (thinness is partly limited by the optical drive and the HDD)? The MBA can be so thin because it does away with the HDD, and instead uses an SSD chip. If you put an SSD chip AND an HDD in there, you'll end up compensating for the removed optical drive.
 
Am only interested in this if it really is a "Pro" model i.e user-upgradable RAM, high-end graphics GPU, hi-res matte screen BTO option (essential!), Firewire and ethernet ports (both missing from the MBA), separate audio-in/out ports, Ivy Bridge chipset. Regarding storage, perhaps one "blade" SSD and one user-upgradeable 9.5" form-factor drive bay (for SSD or HDD) would be nice (though perhaps unlikely), failing that two blade SSD slots would do (and any SSDs its sold with should be SATA III 6Gb/s). Am quite happy for the ODD to be dropped, though they keep the SDHX slot (which they have done on the 13" MBA)

Regarding form factor, thinner than the current MBP, but not as thin as the current MBA (which is too thin for a Firewire port or ethernet) would be fine.
 
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Original? LOL! Guess it's Apple hater night at MR.
(you do know there were laptops in the 90s, right?)

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC704ZM/A

What I meant was for Apple to shrink the size of the ethernet port, not create an extra burden on our extremely scarce USB ports. A "Pro" machine with two ports, really? 1 Wacom tablet and 1 hard drive later, no more room for anything. Can't charge an iPhone (And Apple's too cheap to even give a blooody AC adaptor) and you still want an ethernet-USB adaptor.
 
As for the hardware - I question what will happen with the Mac Pro now that the Thunderbolt pretty much has killed its reason for existence; the question is whether the pro-community can suck up their pride and get an iMac or whether they'll have this "real men own towers" attitude when it comes to owning computers. Yes, there are 'professionals' who make such statements - as if a 'tower' is more a 'real computer' than an all in one.

Bear in mind the limitations of an All-In-One. Especially in the film industry, we value storage. And lots of it. Heck, 8 ports aren't enough and many times we're forced to use stacks of externals.

Other limitations are the mobile GPUs. The iMac display should really be called the iMirror, few USB ports, speakers are redundant, etc. These features sum it up for the typical household consumer where it suffices.

I define 'pro' as any hardware-demanding industry that demands hardware for productivity. Not gamers, not the corporate world. That's my two cents and people will inevitably deny and egg me for it, but meh. Suck it up.
 
I would like user serviceable SSDs and RAM. Not a big deal, should only make the bottom unscrewable and have unsoldered RAM, and could be possible even with the 11". This could also allow the 13" Air to phase out the Pro.
 
What I meant was for Apple to shrink the size of the ethernet port, not create an extra burden on our extremely scarce USB ports. A "Pro" machine with two ports, really? 1 Wacom tablet and 1 hard drive later, no more room for anything. Can't charge an iPhone (And Apple's too cheap to even give a blooody AC adaptor) and you still want an ethernet-USB adaptor.

My MBA has about 7 USB devices plugged into it when I set it down on my desk and it still has 1 port free.

Apple does not need to mess around with RJ-45.
 
2x ssd slots (1tb octane) raid 0 configurable plz!

2x thunderbolt ports - one for each side...since it was limited to copper (and not fiber optic) and has a maximum length of 3m.

Oh, and some thunderbolt accessories would be nice.

The LaCie thunderbolt hard drive has disappeared - i guess their "late spring, summer at the latest" NAB claims were a drunk and disorderly declaration.
In their defense... Where the hell is everyone else?? G-tech???

small simple usb/firewire adapters or something would be nice.
anything?!?
Who the hell do you think you are?

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My MBA has about 7 USB devices plugged into it when I set it down on my desk and it still has 1 port free.

Apple does not need to mess around with RJ-45.

They don't require power do they? Try feeding four 2.5" externals off that, or charge your phone. Sure, it could run eight mice fine. Are you an octopus?
 
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