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Apple's 1Q 2008 U.S. Market Share Up from 2007
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Without Dell, the industry's unit sales decreased year-over-year by 204,000 units. Add in Dell, and they increased by 445,000 units, because Dell's sales increased during the period by 649,000 units, which is over twice as many as Apple's. Does not compute.
I think you'll have to find a new model to take account of the negative growth of HP, Acer and "Others". The way you are picturing it defies logic.
No, I've already said as much about Dell. I was simply comparing Apple's growth to the rest of the PC industry. This is just another way of looking at growth in the Mac market (strong) vs. the growth of the Windows PC market (paltry). You're apparently reading something else into this, though I'm not sure what. Nothing I intended, anyway.
This is extremely convoluted. What I am saying is far more straight-forward. Maybe that's the problem, I surely don't know.
Apple's growth is stronger, but the overall marketshare change is not affected as much by Apple, because its a smaller player.
It's like saying you get half off twice and it's free. A statistical regression model proves it. I post this again, only because it might clarify how easy it is to confound some numbers:
Red, Blue, Green = 100 units in 2007
Red=95
Blue=4
Green=1
Red, Blue, Green = 120 units in 2008 (20% increase over 2007)
Red=115 (up 21%)
Blue=2 (down 50%)
Green=3 (up 300%)
Green marketshare in 2008 was 300% of 2007. That means that it outpaced the market, but it does NOT mean that it contributed more to the market gain -- because its percentage of the overall market share is lower.
It's like saying you get half off twice and it's free. A statistical regression model proves it. I post this again, only because it might clarify how easy it is to confound some numbers:
Red, Blue, Green = 100 units in 2007
Red=95
Blue=4
Green=1
Red, Blue, Green = 120 units in 2008 (20% increase over 2007)
Red=115 (up 21%)
Blue=2 (down 50%)
Green=3 (up 300%)
Green marketshare in 2008 was 300% of 2007. That means that it outpaced the market, but it does NOT mean that it contributed more to the market gain -- because its percentage of the overall market share is lower.
Ah, well now you are starting to make more sense. If you are comparing the growth of OSX computers vs Windows computers as a whole, I can see what you are trying to say. However, that is not what you did say. I should have realised. Pardon me for my foolishness.
Gotcha, I get what you intended now. Statistics are annoyingly complex sometimes.
Trust me, I know. Maybe I made the mistake of thinking it was obvious that Apple makes Macintosh computers and everybody else makes PCs.
The point being, the Windows PC manufacturers can trade market share back and forth between themselves for an eternity, but that doesn't mean that the Windows PC market is growing. In fact you can see from the numbers that it's hardly growing at all. And it is still true that the Mac's much faster growth rate is having a profound impact on the growth of the industry overall, even as a small player.
You were doing so well until that last sentence. Dell's growth had a far greater influence on "the industry overall".
It amazes me how much Dell is still growing.
I've never heard a consumer positively review a Dell.
If I were to buy a name-brand PC, I'd definitely go HP.
I've never heard a consumer positively review a Dell.
If I were to buy a name-brand PC, I'd definitely go HP.
I'll give you one right now. I own an iMac and a blackbook, and both have given me tons more problems than my Dell xps420. The Dell has higher specs and cost less as well. I prefer Mac OS X over XP, but machine-wise, the Dell smokes Apple computers.
That's rare... no problems with the many Macs I've owned...
HP all the way...
These are much more tame than the browser based numbers we've seen... The difference between business use and college use ya think?
He didn't say it was the "greatest influence" on the industry growth, he said it had a "profound influence" on industry growth given Apples smaller overall numbers. I think that's hard to argue with.
Well, Dell rates last in customer satisfaction and Apple rates first. Right now, Dell is desperately trying to turn that around -- here's hoping that they do!
Dell still has huge market share because some schools like mine (Vermont Law School) require people to buy Dells. They don't even support Macs, and required software doesn't work on a Mac unless you want to run Windows. Many of my mac friends bought a dell just for school.
should be good news for AAPL stock...
surprised DELL doing so well, srtrong growth-
Michael Dell did a complete top to bottom overhaul of the company after he fired Kevin Rollins. They almost completely replaced the consumer line and went from a completely direct sales model to augmenting that with fixed retail models. They went from old and way behind to having a much stronger stronger lineup than HP.
Dell is up because you can still order a PC with XP Home or XP Pro. Just wait until June 30, 2008. That may well be the end of XP availability, except for white box builders. They have until Jan, 2009 to sell XP.
I think Apples numbers will shoot through the roof come 3rd quarter 2008.
I think Apples numbers will shoot through the roof come 3rd quarter 2008.
Funny, my experience is the opposite (well, I've heard plenty of good experiences with both, actually, but more with Dell than HP). And I've helped set up about 500 computers over the past 5 years.
Very true. My recommendation will certainly shift more towards Apple and away from those sweet Dell Vostro XP Home deals come July 1.
I can't believe there are people out there who buy Acer's. Anywhoo...this is more good news for Apple.
Anywhoo...this is more good news for Apple.
What is, is, except where it doesn't seem to add up or matter, and that would be the minds of the unwashed general public.
However, on the bright side, it seems like Apple continues to garner mindshare, and that's critical in my definitely not-so-humble opinion.
However, on the bright side, it seems like Apple continues to garner mindshare, and that's critical in my definitely not-so-humble opinion.