Apple's 2019 iPhones Won't Adopt Fingerprint on Display Technology

[votdfak]

A device is only as secure as its least secure means of authentication. If Face ID is indeed more secure than Touch ID, having both does nothing for the people who ignore Face ID and continue to stick solely with Touch ID.

Dropping Touch ID is the right move here.

You are aware that biometric authentication is not required? Most people don't use MFA, and I believe there's a huge number with PIN only.

I would like no notch, all screen iPhone, fingerprint scanner under display. FaceID is working well, but notch is the worst.

 

[zeesix]

Rather invest that money into making FaceID 10x faster and work in landscape.

Pretty sure they have the money to do both.

 

[Darrensk8]

... and that is where FaceID belongs--on computers, especially portables. Phones are better suited to TouchID because it is always on your hand and being touched when in use.



Apple should be using TouchID or FOD because it works better with Apple Pay. To say FaceID is great except when using it for its (IMO) most important function (securing payment transactions) seems ironic.

But it is great, I just prefer the Touch ID interaction whilst making transactions outside on the phone.

 

[BlankSlate]

That sucks. It would have been nice to at least have the choice between face-id and touch-id, or to use both.

 

[chris1958]

Off course and non-fans of “notch” need to get over it and move on.

... move on to Android.

I have some doubt, if it will work in the long run that Apple forces every new idea on its customers and don't leave any choice. Internet companies like Google Amazon, Facebook do A-B-testing to see, which works for the customers and which doesn't. Apple prefers to loose customers for whom some of the new features don't work or are an absolute no-go.

 

[Geoko78]

Under the screen TID would be nice in the watch perhaps.

 

[jasonsmith_88]

Another example where Design trumps everything at Apple. In this case, security, usability, and functionality all take a hit just so they can have a smooth pane of glass.

Yes, Apple's core focus is on design, and has been since the very first Mac. Surely this isn't news to you. Regardless, you're wrong on every point anyway.

Security? FaceID is more secure than TouchID.

Usability? You'll notice that the majority of people who actually own the device don't have an issue with it. Many of them even find it superior.

Functionality? FaceID and TouchID serve the exact same purpose. Functionality is not lost.

You need to go back to the drawing board with your arguments. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[ROGmaster]

Iris scanner design in S8 had a flaw that was fixed in S9, S9+, Note 9 (https://www.cnet.com/news/galaxy-s9-better-iris-scanner-report/). The iris scanners in the newer Samsung phones have not been hacked.
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Also even S8's Iris scanner was hacked only once by one person from a german site and that's about it.
Also Even Note 9's Iris Scanner is clearly upgraded, it works faster and it's more reliable than the Iris Scanner used by the S9.
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Well the article does say: "could get more secure" and it already has been hacked. So if you have an S9 or newer it "could" be more secure, or maybe not. Just like I'm sure Face ID 2, could be more secure than Face ID 1.

S9's Iris Scanner was never hacked. The same goes for Note 8's Iris Scanner.
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Apple rivals like Xiaomi have already introduced their own FaceID solutions (even though not as secure as FaceID) in phones like Mi 8 SE and Pocophone F1.

Nah it's only their Mi 8 Explorer Edition thta has it.
The Poco F1, regular Mi 8 and the Mi 8 SE use an IR camera to get face unlock working. And it is more secure than just using the front facing camera. Not that is matter that much.
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A device is only as secure as its least secure means of authentication. If Face ID is indeed more secure than Touch ID, having both does nothing for the people who ignore Face ID and continue to stick solely with Touch ID.

Dropping Touch ID is the right move here.

And FaceID is less secure than a proper password.
So going by your logic the most secure solution is to eliminate fingerprint and face scanners altogether and force users to use a long and complex password every time they unlock their phones. Yeah sounds like heaven.

 

[dewski]

Compared to what other manufacturer that DID have it working in landscape mode and still offered the quality Apple provided? Could you have designed a better solution? If not, why are you complaining that others didn't do it?
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What are you talking about? When does Apple Pay force you to use a passcode?

you are not able to set up apple pay on your phone if you do not have a passcode set.

 

[I7guy]

Also even S8's Iris scanner was hacked only once by one person from a german site and that's about it.
Also Even Note 9's Iris Scanner is clearly upgraded, it works faster and it's more reliable than the Iris Scanner used by the S9.
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S9's Iris Scanner was never hacked. The same goes for Note 8's Iris Scanner.
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Nah it's only their Mi 8 Explorer Edition thta has it.
The Poco F1, regular Mi 8 and the Mi 8 SE use an IR camera to get face unlock working. And it is more secure than just using the front facing camera. Not that is matter that much.
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And FaceID is less secure than a proper password.
So going by your logic the most secure solution is to eliminate fingerprint and face scanners altogether and force users to use a long and complex password every time they unlock their phones. Yeah sounds like heaven.

Never hacked is not the same as 100% secure. It’s unfortunate there is a generation of phones with a severe vulnerability out there.

 

[nviz22]

I think Apple is just 100% committed to FaceID instead too. Apple doesn't need the in-the screen FP scanner either. It's good for those like Oppo or OnePlus though. Apple has a 2-3 year advantage with FaceID.

 

[Polpol1]

While this makes sense, I liked TouchID a lot. Here's hoping for a faster FaceID next week.

I wish it came back, FaceID is not practical at all. When you phone is next you on you desk or on the couch and you want quick look you have to pick it up to unlock.

....or when you work on a paintballfield like I do and wear a mask all the time. Touch id works perfect for me...

 

[mingravity]

What's the distance limitation of FaceID?

Let's say I have my iPhone in one of those car-mounts... can it see my face from roughly 24" away?

That's one reason I might not be too keen on abandoning TouchID in future iPhones... now I can just rest my thumb on the fingerprint sensor to unlock it to change songs or whatever.

u can change songs from lock mode. anything else while driving naa aah mate

 

[fairuz]

Definitely a step back to remove the fingerprint sensor, but hopefully two steps forward later. So I don't get why one would buy an iPhone X

 

[Lyn2012]

When I returned my X and went back to the 8 (couldn’t get on with OLED PWM) I really missed Face ID. Touch ID works fairly well for me, but not for many of my friends. All in all, I’m looking forward to leaving TID behind and having only FID.

 

[GoodWheaties]

FaceID fails about five or six times a day for me, on average. In great normal room lighting. And sometimes works in the darkest of rooms which just makes me scratch my head

FaceID should actually work best in dark conditions as it is using its own infrared light. In bright conditions like sunlight or fluorescent light the infrared light can be overwhelmed by the ambient light. Lots of people seem to misunderstand this.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Pretty sure they have the money to do both.

pretty sure they don't have enough bright engineers to do both.
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It doesn't work in landscape?!

not the iPhone X. nope.

 

[macduke]

Agreed. I use it for Apple Pay and to check notifications without having to take my iPhone out of my pocket. That’s a big reason why Face ID doesn’t bother me. I don’t need to unlock my phone to see who’s calling or texting me.

I don’t miss Touch ID at all. I pickup the phone and look at to unlock it. By the time I start to move my finger to the phone it’s unlocked. For me it fails less often than Touch ID did. I often forget I have to authenticate at all until I restart the device and have to enter my pin to start using Face ID.

My only complaint is that I can’t put my wife’s face into the device in case she needs to use it but that’s fixed in iOS 12 I believe.

The other thing I found was that the first time I set it up I was in a low light environment and it failed more frequently so I set it up again during the day in regular light and worked much better. I can authenticate in my beedroom with the lights off. It also learns from each failure so it gets more accurate over time.

I love it but I can see why some users wouldn’t. You’d think they’d keep some version of Touch ID on at least one phone for users that have to have it but Apple has a history of discontinuing what they deem no longer necessary and they don’t care about the users who bitch about it. It was true under Jobs and has continued since Cook took over. It’s rare they apologize and back track like they did with Apple Maps.

I like the idea of using newer technology and leaving the old behind, but IMO it's just not good enough of a replacement. Maybe someday.

As for the Apple Watch notification thing, I'm on my last legs with my Series 0 so many of my notifications are turned off because the battery won't last. I did that nearly a year ago. When I get my Series 4 and XS in a couple weeks, perhaps I too will know what it's like to 1, not have to use Face ID as much and 2, have a good Face ID sensor. We'll see!

 

[themick4u]

I would have been hoping this as well, except Apple is an arrogant corporation which can never openly admit its own haughty mistakes and go back on already-made decisions. Now they've sold this as the New Best Thing Ever, and such is the dogma and must always be so from now on until the end of time. Or at least until something else, something Even Better<TM> gets invented.

Unfortunately, that probably prevents touch ID being added to Apple Watch too, where it would have made a lot of sense (would be way more convenient than poking at a fiddly tiny little on-screen keypad.) Sad, sad. Very sad.

Well said, Lenny. I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[jlozoya]

ke Google Amazon, Facebook do A-B-testing to see, which works for the customers and which doesn't. Apple

Well said, Lenny. I couldn't agree with you more!

I would have been hoping this as well, except Apple is an arrogant corporation which can never openly admit its own haughty mistakes and go back on already-made decisions. Now they've sold this as the New Best Thing Ever, and such is the dogma and must always be so from now on until the end of time. Or at least until something else, something Even Better<TM> gets invented.

Unfortunately, that probably prevents touch ID being added to Apple Watch too, where it would have made a lot of sense (would be way more convenient than poking at a fiddly tiny little on-screen keypad.) Sad, sad. Very sad.

I honestly don't understand why you would ever need TouchID on the Watch. It unlocks when you unlock your phone and doesn't lock again until you take it off your wrist. I almost never have to input a PIN on mine.
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You are aware that biometric authentication is not required? Most people don't use MFA, and I believe there's a huge number with PIN only.

I would like no notch, all screen iPhone, fingerprint scanner under display. FaceID is working well, but notch is the worst.

I use a 6-digit PIN but most people I have seen, still use their 4-digit.

 

[Lennyvalentin]

I honestly don't understand why you would ever need TouchID on the Watch. It unlocks when you unlock your phone and doesn't lock again until you take it off your wrist.

It unlocks with your phone only if you enable the option. And someone like me don't ever touch my phone until I go out for the day. I don't have it permanently glued to my hand throughout the day. It sits on its charging dock until I actually need it. That means unlocking the watch with the tiny, uncomfortable on-screen keypad.

 

[ROGmaster]

It’s unfortunate there is a generation of phones with a severe vulnerability out there.

What severe vulnerability? Samsung's themselves confirmed that they had a hard time reproducing in their labs the results shown by that germen site.
If the vulnerability was indeed that severe we should have seen more people reproducing it online even if just for fun(because you know it should be very easy to do).

Never hacked is not the same as 100% secure.

Nothing is 100% secure but some solutions are more secure than others.
The thing is you disingenuously try to portray Samsung iris scanner a certain way based on something that happened once almost 2 years ago and it was never repeated since then.

Also S8 iris scanner was never fully hacked. Samsung's iris scanner can be set to work with either one or two eyes. That german site set the iris scanner to work with only 1 eye.
[doublepost=1536222844][/doublepost]Anyway I you are paying to dollar for a flagship phone the best solution is:

Fingerprint in the screen(the entire screen while having the ability to get into the phone securely with a double tap)
Fingerprint on the back
Facial Unlock

on the same phone = maximum convenience.
It doesn't matter how you pick up the phone or where it it, what season it is an so on you will always be able to unlock it in a fast and convenient way.

 

[Tech198]

Dunno why Apple can't do this, when others can... "granted its a Chinese company"but that's beside the point .

Xiaomi & Huawei actually

 

[I7guy]

What severe vulnerability? Samsung's themselves confirmed that they had a hard time reproducing in their labs the results shown by that germen site.
If the vulnerability was indeed that severe we should have seen more people reproducing it online even if just for fun(because you know it should be very easy to do).


Nothing is 100% secure but some solutions are more secure than others.
The thing is you disingenuously try to portray Samsung iris scanner a certain way based on something that happened once almost 2 years ago and it was never repeated since then.

Also S8 iris scanner was never fully hacked. Samsung's iris scanner can be set to work with either one or two eyes. That german site set the iris scanner to work with only 1 eye.
[doublepost=1536222844][/doublepost]Anyway I you are paying to dollar for a flagship phone the best solution is:

Fingerprint in the screen(the entire screen while having the ability to get into the phone securely with a double tap)
Fingerprint on the back
Facial Unlock

on the same phone = maximum convenience.
It doesn't matter how you pick up the phone or where it it, what season it is an so on you will always be able to unlock it in a fast and convenient way.

Face ID is secure enough and convenient enough to be used in Apple Pay transactions. No tapping, opening eyes, etc. and it can be used with gloves. Sometimes less is more.

 

[ROGmaster]

Face ID is secure enough and convenient enough to be used in Apple Pay transactions. No tapping, opening eyes, etc. and it can be used with gloves. Sometimes less is more.

The fingerprint scanner works even more conveniently with Apple Pay.

Sometimes less is more.

Most of the times less is less. Exceptions are rare in real life.