Apple's 2019 iPhones Won't Adopt Fingerprint on Display Technology

[Macaholic868]

Apple Watch is far faster for Apple Pay and what I use all the time.

Agreed. I use it for Apple Pay and to check notifications without having to take my iPhone out of my pocket. That’s a big reason why Face ID doesn’t bother me. I don’t need to unlock my phone to see who’s calling or texting me.

I don’t miss Touch ID at all. I pickup the phone and look at to unlock it. By the time I start to move my finger to the phone it’s unlocked. For me it fails less often than Touch ID did. I often forget I have to authenticate at all until I restart the device and have to enter my pin to start using Face ID.

My only complaint is that I can’t put my wife’s face into the device in case she needs to use it but that’s fixed in iOS 12 I believe.

The other thing I found was that the first time I set it up I was in a low light environment and it failed more frequently so I set it up again during the day in regular light and worked much better. I can authenticate in my beedroom with the lights off. It also learns from each failure so it gets more accurate over time.

I love it but I can see why some users wouldn’t. You’d think they’d keep some version of Touch ID on at least one phone for users that have to have it but Apple has a history of discontinuing what they deem no longer necessary and they don’t care about the users who bitch about it. It was true under Jobs and has continued since Cook took over. It’s rare they apologize and back track like they did with Apple Maps.

 

[deadoctopi]

As a man who has hair of variable length, both at the top and at the bottom of the head, I find myself using the passcode screen a lot. It's much vaunted learning capabilities are slightly oversold and the lack of landscape unlock or any degree in between the two is infuriating at times.

Whilst I'm not saying bin FaceID, I wouldn't be 100% sad if Apple did eventually adopt this, even alongside FaceID. Or just improved FaceID to the point I stop whining.

FaceID fails about five or six times a day for me, on average. In great normal room lighting. And sometimes works in the darkest of rooms which just makes me scratch my head. The only time TouchID didn’t work for me was when my hands might be wet or I forget I’m wearing gloves outside.

Faster would be great, but I sure do miss being able to unlock my phone sight unseen when I needed (carrying my young kids around, etc)

 

[PVDHell]

I didn’t at first...but I’ve come to prefer faceID to touchID

 

[zeesix]

Why not support both faceID and touchID?

 

[mjharwaz]

How can Face ID be more secure when you cannot change it? You only have 1 face.

Most people have 10 fingers. With Touch ID, you can change between each finger if you wanted to.

How is being able to use more than one finger more secure than using one face?

 

[Abazigal]

Why not support both faceID and touchID?

A device is only as secure as its least secure means of authentication. If Face ID is indeed more secure than Touch ID, having both does nothing for the people who ignore Face ID and continue to stick solely with Touch ID.

Dropping Touch ID is the right move here.

 

[Baymowe335]

Sorry to say this but are you using Face ID correctly? FaceID works like 98-100% for me. I've only had to put my passcodes when I don't have adequate lighting but even when I have a tv on in the room but with lights off it works? Also, if I want to glance at the messages I received, depending on the settings I can just tap to wake the screen. If you have your settings set up for the lock screen you can view your notifications without FaceID otherwise, you'll need to unlock with FaceID to view the messages. Otherwise, It tells you the app with a notification but won't show the content unless you have your settings that way.

Also, FaceID is perfect for Apple Pay. You just double click when you're ready to purchase and it scans your face to approve. It's very seamless actually. I would definitely check your settings or change up how you use FaceID and how you set it up too. I've definitely had very few issues using it.

FaceID doesn’t need any light to work. It works in complete darkness and if yours isn’t, get it checked.

 

[falainber]

A device is only as secure as its least secure means of authentication. If Face ID is indeed more secure than Touch ID, having both does nothing for the people who ignore Face ID and continue to stick solely with Touch ID.

Dropping Touch ID is the right move here.

If you are so concerned about security you should buy a Samsung phone with iris scanner (which is more secure than Face ID) not the iPhone. The total majority of the people obviously are perfectly satisfied with the security of fingerprint sensors and would prefer to have both options (and those obsessed with security could always disable the "less secure" option). Knowing how stingy Apple is with the BOM of their devices I would not hold my breath though.

 

[Woodcrest64]

Rather invest that money into making FaceID 10x faster and work in landscape.

I'm guessing 2019 or 2020 for that to happen.

 

[I7guy]

If you are so concerned about security you should buy a Samsung phone with iris scanner (which is more secure than Face ID) not the iPhone...

It is?

https://www.techradar.com/news/face-id-vs-iris-scanner-is-iphone-x-more-secure-than-galaxy-s8

 

[Abazigal]

If you are so concerned about security you should buy a Samsung phone with iris scanner (which is more secure than Face ID) not the iPhone.

That would be like cutting off the nose to spite the face.

The total majority of the people obviously are perfectly satisfied with the security of fingerprint sensors and would prefer to have both options (and those obsessed with security could always disable the "less secure" option). Knowing how stingy Apple is with the BOM of their devices I would not hold my breath though.

That’s not how Apple works.

When you buy into an Apple product, you are also implicitly buying into Apple’s vision of how they would like their products to work.

It’s not about having a multitude of options and getting to choose which one works for you. If Apple thinks a certain way is better, they will make the decision for you.

And in many ways, Face ID is better (from Apple’s perspective).

It’s a miniature Kinect, which means it can do more than Touch ID (which only lets you authenticate your device), such as face tracking.

You also don’t have to think about unlocking your device with Face ID. I think people misinterpret FaceID. The idea isn't to spend time analyzing how it works or whether it's slower than TouchID or not. The idea is that it blurs the perception of needing authentication at all to unlock your phone.

I think what Apple was going for was using FaceID to take care of all the security stuff behind the scenes so you don't have too. It removes having to think about authenticating to access something because faceID has already detected that it is you.

What you're left with is a phone that is as easy to access as one without a passcode. No longer do you have to go through security checks because it is all done automatically. It seems pretty seamless when it works, and we're still in V1.

It’s pretty much in line with Apple’s goal of making their products more personal. Can’t wait to see what Apple does with V2 of Face ID.

 

[oldmacs]

Ugh. I much prefer Touch ID to Face ID.

 

[falainber]

It is?

https://www.techradar.com/news/face-id-vs-iris-scanner-is-iphone-x-more-secure-than-galaxy-s8

Iris scanner design in S8 had a flaw that was fixed in S9, S9+, Note 9 (https://www.cnet.com/news/galaxy-s9-better-iris-scanner-report/). The iris scanners in the newer Samsung phones have not been hacked.
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That would be like cutting off the nose to spite the face.



That’s not how Apple works.

When you buy into an Apple product, you are also implicitly buying into Apple’s vision of how they would like their products to work.

It’s not about having a multitude of options and getting to choose which one works for you. If Apple thinks a certain way is better, they will make the decision for you.

And in many ways, Face ID is better (from Apple’s perspective).

It’s a miniature Kinect, which means it can do more than Touch ID (which only lets you authenticate your device), such as face tracking.

You also don’t have to think about unlocking your device with Face ID. I think people misinterpret FaceID. The idea isn't to spend time analyzing how it works or whether it's slower than TouchID or not. The idea is that it blurs the perception of needing authentication at all to unlock your phone.

I think what Apple was going for was using FaceID to take care of all the security stuff behind the scenes so you don't have too. It removes having to think about authenticating to access something because faceID has already detected that it is you.

What you're left with is a phone that is as easy to access as one without a passcode. No longer do you have to go through security checks because it is all done automatically. It seems pretty seamless when it works, and we're still in V1.

It’s pretty much in line with Apple’s goal of making their products more personal. Can’t wait to see what Apple does with V2 of Face ID.

No, when I am buying Apple (or any other) product I do not care about Tim Cook's vision. I only care whether the product works well or not. For example, if the phone does not have a 3.5mm jack it means just that - it lacks a jack and you can't use regular headphones (without a dongle) no matter what the "Apple vision" is. It's really simple. Face ID is inherently is not very secure because face shape is public domain and can be reproduced in 3D (for example from multiple photos made from different angles).

 

[I7guy]

Iris scanner design in S8 had a flaw that was fixed in S9, S9+, Note 9 (https://www.cnet.com/news/galaxy-s9-better-iris-scanner-report/). The iris scanners in the newer Samsung phones have not been hacked.
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No, when I am buying Apple (or any other) product I do not care about Tim Cook's vision. I only care whether the product works well or not. For example, if the phone does not have a 3.5mm jack it means just that - it lacks a jack and you can't use regular headphones (without a dongle) no matter what the "Apple vision" is. It's really simple. Face ID is inherently is not very secure because face shape is public domain and can be reproduced in 3D (for example from multiple photos made from different angles).

Well the article does say: "could get more secure" and it already has been hacked. So if you have an S9 or newer it "could" be more secure, or maybe not. Just like I'm sure Face ID 2, could be more secure than Face ID 1.

 

[BugeyeSTI]

If you are so concerned about security you should buy a Samsung phone with iris scanner (which is more secure than Face ID) not the iPhone. The total majority of the people obviously are perfectly satisfied with the security of fingerprint sensors and would prefer to have both options (and those obsessed with security could always disable the "less secure" option). Knowing how stingy Apple is with the BOM of their devices I would not hold my breath though.

Your very misinformed. Samsung is years behind in facial recognition or they would offer 3D facial mapping technology on their own phones..

 

[Abazigal]

No, when I am buying Apple (or any other) product I do not care about Tim Cook's vision. I only care whether the product works well or not. For example, if the phone does not have a 3.5mm jack it means just that - it lacks a jack and you can't use regular headphones (without a dongle) no matter what the "Apple vision" is.

Whether you care for Jony Ive's vision or not, it's baked into every product that Apple ships and influences its design to some extent, so there's really no running away from it.

Which is why I said that using an Apple product is partly about buying into Apple's vision as well. For example, the iPhone has no headphone jack because Apple believes in a wireless future. If you don't buy into this, and steadfastly want to continue using your existing wired headphones, you can (using the adaptor), but you can see why this would represent an added inconvenience. Because how you want to use your device is at odds with how Apple envisions their products being used, and this in turn means that their products are designed to favour one style of usage over the other.

But if you are okay with no headphone jack and perfectly comfortable with using AirPods, then it's quite the optimised experience. And once airpower is finally released, users will be able to charge their iPhone, watch and AirPods using just a single charging pad (and a single cable), which in turn brings us one step closer to Apple's vision of not having to contend with a mess of cables and chargers.

Again, depending on how entrenched in the Apple ecosystem you are, you may or may not care for this, but it's useful nonetheless to understand where Apple is coming from.

t's really simple. Face ID is inherently is not very secure because face shape is public domain and can be reproduced in 3D (for example from multiple photos made from different angles).

You know, people have been making all these claims for years. When Touch ID was first announced, there were all these jibes of crooks cutting off people's fingers to unlock their phones with (which as it turns out, never happened). And now with Face ID, I am supposed to believe that every pickpocket on the street somehow has the resources to make a 3D model of my face accurate enough to unlock my phone with?

 

[pratikindia]

Apple rivals like Xiaomi have already introduced their own FaceID solutions (even though not as secure as FaceID) in phones like Mi 8 SE and Pocophone F1.

 

[zeesix]

A device is only as secure as its least secure means of authentication. If Face ID is indeed more secure than Touch ID, having both does nothing for the people who ignore Face ID and continue to stick solely with Touch ID.

Dropping Touch ID is the right move here.

By that logic you should remove FaceID as well. A long passcode is more secure than FaceID.

 

[Abazigal]

By that logic you should remove FaceID as well. A long passcode is more secure than FaceID.

Touch ID and Face ID aren’t there to replace that passcode. They are there to replace the absence of one.

 

[mi7chy]

Way too many false positives with Face ID. Search on YouTube for 'Face ID fail'.

Federal level authentication uses fingerprint scanner, iris scanner or combination of both for MFA. Ideally, there should be in-display fingerprint sensor for the whole screen for when, for example, the device is mounted in car holder, an additional fingerprint scanner on the back side for naturally finger placement when pulling out of pocket/purse and iris scanner for extra security/MFA.

 

[apolloa]

Hopefully this means we get to keep 3D touch then. Unless of course Apple plans on implementing some as yet unknown screen tech that would prohibit it.

Koh has previously also claimed Apple will DROP 3D Touch, not that you should believe everything he says.
I mean Apple IS working on in display finger print sensors as it got a patent for it the other week! They wouldn’t waste time and money doing that for no reason. And the patent has to be different to the Android phone currently on sale with in screen reader, and the tech and demos of the teach qualcom have had and shown off for a year or two now.

 

[Mildredop]

Rather invest that money into making FaceID 10x faster and work in landscape.

It doesn't work in landscape?!

 

[Frantisekj]

I think that Apple can use FOD on Apple Watch od iPhone SE 2 if they find it desirable. Not on bigger screens.

But I “heard” that there is developed new tech called Fake ID for Android. When terorist will wear white helmet it will recognize him as humanitarian worker...

 

[Abazigal]

It doesn't work in landscape?!

It will, with ios 12.

 

[fatboyslick]

Every iPhone X owner I know wished they had TouchID back - including myself - so I hope FaceID gets improvements to speed up recognition and work at wider angles.

Hey, maybe it could scan your fingerprint when you're wanting to unlock your phone without lifting it to your face