David1964
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They won’t put a Pro chip in a non Pro machine.The M3 Pro chip would be a very suitable for the Air as it is the most balanced chip Apple ever created.
They won’t put a Pro chip in a non Pro machine.The M3 Pro chip would be a very suitable for the Air as it is the most balanced chip Apple ever created.
Since the discontinuation of the 12” MacBook, there has not been a MacBook that weighted less than 950 grams. The 12” MacBook weighted 920 grams and I’m sure it would be much better with an M3 chip inside. Maybe even lighter. But I guess we’ll have to settle with an 11” iPad Pro, even with a more limited operating system.The air is literally a small and light Mac.
The 12” would be nothing but worse than the 13” in all but the one niche of portability.
Won’t happen in the Airs.SD Card, please.
I think for most people the M2 air at 1240 grams is light enough.Do
Since the discontinuation of the 12” MacBook, there has not been a MacBook that weighted less than 950 grams. The 12” MacBook weighted 920 grams and I’m sure it would be much better with an M3 chip inside. Maybe even lighter. But I guess we’ll have to settle with an 11” iPad Pro, even with a more limited operating system.
how immediate is your need? There are the new Qualcomm ARM processors that are being tested now and might be available in some sort of laptop product by the end of the year
Not immediate at all, so that's not a bad thought. If I'm being honest, from a need standpoint this is nothing more than a little retail therapy.![]()
None of that surpasses the raw GPU horsepower on an M2 Ultra chip. But it does lay the ground work for the next decade forward in improved GPU features.No joke.
The M3 air has hardware raytracing, meshes and GPU dynamic cache.
The M2 Mac Pro Ultra doesn’t.
Well, you could say the joke is on Mac Pro users, but that would be unkind.
My comment was that Airs would eventually go to 12 GB, so that means not now but M4 or M5, possibly.Only if MacBook Airs start shipping with M3 Pro chips, which is unlikely. The standard M3 SoC uses the traditional DRAM architecture and gets 8GB, 16GB, etc.
Oddly enough, my Best Buy has M2 13” MacBook Pros (Touch Bar) in 24GB/1TB for $1499. I signed up for BB Plus for $50 and saved another $100. Coming from an M1 13” MBP 8GB/512GB that I paid $1499 for at launch, I’m ecstatic. I know people on these forums hate the Touch Bar MacBook Pros, but my M1 has been a stellar computer and one of my favorite Macs ever. Best Buy is also selling the 15” MBA 16GB/1TB for $1499 as well. Some were in stock, but now it’s a 3-4 day wait for it to come into the store.You can use refurb-tracker.com to subscribe to the models you want and get notified when its in the refurb store. That way you get a discount on a BTO. Or you can look atBest Buy orbhphotovideo.com, they sometimes have BTO models on sale.
EDIT: I should clarify that Best Buy won't have a BTO but will have an ultimate model sometimes, which is the 10c GPU, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB storage configuration.
Unlikely, but one can wish.Won’t happen in the Airs.
Did Cook actually say that or are you just being sarcastic?"256GB ought to be enough for anyone"
- Tim Cook
That’s a great price you got. You did good there. Best Buy is an enigma sales black box and you never know what sale you’ll find in there but every once in awhile they’ll have a maxed out laptop for $400 off. I hope they do more of it.Oddly enough, my Best Buy has M2 13” MacBook Pros (Touch Bar) in 24GB/1TB for $1499. I signed up for BB Plus for $50 and saved another $100. Coming from an M1 13” MBP 8GB/512GB that I paid $1499 for at launch, I’m ecstatic. I know people on these forums hate the Touch Bar MacBook Pros, but my M1 has been a stellar computer and one of my favorite Macs ever. Best Buy is also selling the 15” MBA 16GB/1TB for $1499 as well. Some were in stock, but now it’s a 3-4 day wait for it to come into the store.
Although you might get a better price on a M2 MBA, right after the M3 MBA is released. If you are willing to wait a few weeks.I've been crushing my M2 MBA since July of '23. It's been my first non-MBP laptop ever and I have been floored by its capability. For anyone needing a new laptop, looking to save some $$$, and not caught up in the latest/greatest, now might be a good time to track down an M2 MBA as retailers look to move stock ahead of a pending M3 update.
Oh yeah. That is a better idea. 🤪Although you might get a better price on a M2 MBA, right after the M3 MBA is released. If you are willing to wait a few weeks.
Agreed. For the common computer user, there is no recognizable difference between M2 and M3.I've been crushing my M2 MBA since July of '23. It's been my first non-MBP laptop ever and I have been floored by its capability. For anyone needing a new laptop, looking to save some $$$, and not caught up in the latest/greatest, now might be a good time to track down an M2 MBA as retailers look to move stock ahead of a pending M3 update.
Ah, gotcha. Admittedly, I'm not as familiar with the options in the ultraportable segment as I was shopping more in the "pro" (Apple's wording) segment. I wish I had a suggestion. About Intel's graphics, I thought that their newer iGPU's (named Xe) were fairly competitive? I don't know how they stack up to Apple's, though.I don't have any issue with switching to Windows, but I'm struggling to find an ultraportable on the PC side that competes with the Air. Every premium laptop I've seen that competes well on performance and battery life is closer in size and weight to a MBP, or even larger. Something like an XPS or a Surface - but both of them insist on Intel and its garbage integrated graphics, and their pricing for upgrades is about as bad as Apple's.
Ah, you, too, have a Windows machine.I run a business and HAVE to have Windows too and don't trust Windows ARM as full Windows for client purposes. So I've already purchased a desktop PC for the first time in about 20 years since Silicon basically retired bootcamp (a tremendous value loss for those of us who need easy access to both worlds). So I've already got reacquainted with Windows 11 and find it quite good. Paired with a quality laptop and I can easily see Windows 11 being a good "on the road" alternative for all of the kinds of apps needed when away. Anything that needs some Mac app work could wait until I get back to the desktop Mac.
That RAM & SSD pricing is just so insulting, it has rapidly eroded accumulated brand goodwill for me that would previously help rationalize the "Apple Premium." They charge it because many will "just pay..." but I won't. So I hope they opt to get back to delivering more customer value before I actually need to purchase a new laptop. Expectations of that are LOW but I can kick this can a little longer while my Intel MB/Intel PC (in ONE case) is able to still cover both bases when on the road.
I'd much prefer to buy a new MB but I won't so ridiculously overpay for those parts of one. Compete (Apple) or lose another one(s???).
Mostly-Novice Question:
As a mental health counselor, I use my MacBook Air primarily for Zoom sessions (while concurrently using a Safari web-based platform to take notes). On my current MacBook Air (2019;13"; 1.6 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5; 16 GB RAM; 256 GB Memory; Sonoma 14.2.1), the CPU runs pretty consistently at 212℉ and the fan is at nearly full-blast the entire time. Using Chrome for anything also seems to make it run hot.
I'm looking to get a new MacBook, and I'm eyeing the MacBook Air (2023; 15"; M2 chip; 24GB unified memory; 256 GB storage). I'm sure it'll work fine for my needs, but here's my question: Will it run as hot as my current MacBook Air? (And is that a problem?)
Here is a Reddit thread from 2 years ago filled with testimonials of M2 Air users saying that Zoom runs perfectly fine, no heat. Feel free to Google for more testimonials on Reddit and Macrumors forums.Mostly-Novice Question:
As a mental health counselor, I use my MacBook Air primarily for Zoom sessions (while concurrently using a Safari web-based platform to take notes). On my current MacBook Air (2019;13"; 1.6 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5; 16 GB RAM; 256 GB Memory; Sonoma 14.2.1), the CPU runs pretty consistently at 212℉ and the fan is at nearly full-blast the entire time. Using Chrome for anything also seems to make it run hot.
I'm looking to get a new MacBook, and I'm eyeing the MacBook Air (2023; 15"; M2 chip; 24GB unified memory; 256 GB storage). I'm sure it'll work fine for my needs, but here's my question: Will it run as hot as my current MacBook Air? (And is that a problem?)
What’s crazy is their Intel Air has two-cores. The upgrade to eight-cores is insane. What a jump.You'll be blown away by the upgrade if you're still on an Intel Air.
16 GB is def a minimum.Agreed. For the common computer user, there is no recognizable difference between M2 and M3.
Unless you want a (possibly) new color, it's smart to buy the M2 Air on sale/used, especially if you can get a 16 GB RAM model.
- AV1 transcoding will benefit people down the line, but streaming services are barely using it and H.264/HEVC support is good for now. It's not a user recognizable benefit.
- Yeah 20% faster is a good year-over-year progress but not Air user can tell the difference between 3.2 seconds and 2.6 seconds—they are both perceived as 3 seconds. It's not a user recognizable benefit. 20% faster matters when you're doing sustained processes, which is more a MacBook Pro or Mac Studio thing.
- Battery may be an hour or two improved but for a majority of us, the M2 Air is already like 2x more battery-life than we need. Most of us have never gone below 20% in a single usage.
If Apple doesn’t release a 12” MacBook (Air/Pro) this year, I’ll probably lose all hope for a small and light Mac…