Apple's 4-Inch iPhone to Be Called 'iPhone 5se' With Design Modeled After iPhone 5s

[Dorje Sylas]

Where a 4 inch iPhone fits.... If the price is sufficiently lower, for the lower hardware specs, it replaces the iPod Touch. If the price (off contract) comes close to the pricing line of the iPod Touch. After all, the iPod Touch was kinda goofy tech wise since it was oftenly only really missing the cellular chip (GPS included) and antenna, very little else.

iPhone 5se and its future cousins will be the replacement line for the whole of the iPod Touch line. The "phone" you get your kids, or the phone you get if you're getting a "cheap" Apple phone. This way Apple streamlines their hardware lines by not having to build separate boards without the cellular components.

I don't see why they won't have space for things like 3D touch. If they stick with the thicker body frame of the iPhone 5s, thats plenty of extra depth. The reason why they wouldn't have 3D touch would be because they are using older boards that don't include the 3D touch processor. Not unlike how the iPod Touch uses "older" boards sans the cellular chips. For this phone it will specifically based on the iPhone 6 boards. The following iterations will likely be sourcing their boards from iPhones that have that processor. Not including 3D touch at that point will be a choice by Apple to not include the sensors to match the processor, possibly to bolster the profit margin. However it won't be due to lack of space or inability of the underlying hardware.

 

[aces99]

I seriously don't "get" these ever-larger phones. Because it only cost me $30, I picked up a Kindle Fire with a 7" display.

Again, it was only $30 - but the 7 inches of "screen real estate" - it sucks. I even half-rooted it to de-Amazon the thing - and I seriously do not care for the Android interface. Rather than swiping, I'm always having to swipe then find a little button to press - it's very clumsy.

So, at home, I can pick up my iPhone or the Fire to check email and do my "phone stuff" - weather, set alarms, music, etc. And I always find myself picking up my phone. Again, it's an iPhone 4. I really like that it's tiny - rather "perfect" if you ask me (stop raising your hands, I'm not taking questions... )

So if Apple wishes to sell ME a new iPhone, jack that 4 with all of the latest tech so I can get my money out of the life cycle before I get bump-iOS'd out.

Stop making it bigger and thinner - iOS beats the crap out of whatever Lollipop nonsense - and give a shout out to those of us who primarily use our phones for phone stuff. More real estate just makes it take up too much room in my pockets. I've already got 5.5" built in down there (on a good day).

And then I'll get a new 10" iPad, which is also pretty much "perfect" - use my 4" as a "hotspot" should I be out of WiFi range. Apple sells me new two new devices - win/win.

I tried doing a non-phone thing with my 7" Fire - to watch a movie. Just laying in bed, thought I'd give it a shot. Didn't like it at all -

So, bad jokes aside, I think my "demographic" has been a big winner for Apple. Give us your highest tech in 4", pop us to 10" for the bed and the toilet - golden Apples all the way.

The 7s apparently isn't selling - what does Cook have to lose by going retro Jobs with the 4" - and NO SKIMPING on tech... because we KNOW your gameplan is to force us to upgrade - death by iOS.

Thanks so much for your support. Amaze me, Jony - slam the latest greatest into a 4" that "changes everything". Greatly appreciated, Sir-i!

And just name it the New iPhone 4btj (for back to Jobs) - I don't care. Let ME be a crazy rebel and have everyone laugh at me for actually DESIRING a tiny phone... I can handle the insults.

Exactly, a 4" iPhone for phone & stuff and quick internet searches and 7" or 10" iPad for Internet, videos and gaming stuff.

 

[aces99]

How much would you pay for a 4" A9/10 phone?

I would be willing to pay the same price as the bigger 5.5" phones as long as it had the same internals and everything.

 

[maxsix]

Hi Apple, could you please just throw some up-to-date(ish) components into a 5c body for me, please? Thanks.

It does appear to be a recycled version of the same old tiny iPhone. That's not bad either since the tiny screen limits it's usefulness anyway. It's more of a pocket phone than a modern smartphone and that's by design. If it included better specs that would be contrary to Apple's "specs aren't important" refrain whenever discussing devices for the general public. A cheap little phone has been missing from Apple's offerings and this model fixes that problem. As long as they don't overprice it, Apple will sell plenty. If it is given a high premium price it'll still sell in big numbers since everyone knows and expects high prices for anything with the Apple logo.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Where a 4 inch iPhone fits.... If the price is sufficiently lower, for the lower hardware specs, it replaces the iPod Touch. If the price (off contract) comes close to the pricing line of the iPod Touch. After all, the iPod Touch was kinda goofy tech wise since it was oftenly only really missing the cellular chip (GPS included) and antenna, very little else.

iPhone 5se and its future cousins will be the replacement line for the whole of the iPod Touch line. The "phone" you get your kids, or the phone you get if you're getting a "cheap" Apple phone. This way Apple streamlines their hardware lines by not having to build separate boards without the cellular components.

I don't see why they won't have space for things like 3D touch. If they stick with the thicker body frame of the iPhone 5s, thats plenty of extra depth. The reason why they wouldn't have 3D touch would be because they are using older boards that don't include the 3D touch processor. Not unlike how the iPod Touch uses "older" boards sans the cellular chips. For this phone it will specifically based on the iPhone 6 boards. The following iterations will likely be sourcing their boards from iPhones that have that processor. Not including 3D touch at that point will be a choice by Apple to not include the sensors to match the processor, possibly to bolster the profit margin. However it won't be due to lack of space or inability of the underlying hardware.

I would not see how would this happen. Apple would not replace iPod Touch with 4 inch iPhone. It will be way more expensive than iPod Touch becuase it is iPhone. If iPhone 5SE has similar internal as iPhone 6, I would say they gonna charge people similar price as iPhone 5S right now (599 CAD at this time).
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It does appear to be a recycled version of the same old tiny iPhone. That's not bad either since the tiny screen limits it's usefulness anyway. It's more of a pocket phone than a modern smartphone and that's by design. If it included better specs that would be contrary to Apple's "specs aren't important" refrain whenever discussing devices for the general public. A cheap little phone has been missing from Apple's offerings and this model fixes that problem. As long as they don't overprice it, Apple will sell plenty. If it is given a high premium price it'll still sell in big numbers since everyone knows and expects high prices for anything with the Apple logo.

Spec is not important only when Apple offers things that significantly lower spec that competition and justifying high cost associated with Apple products. When Apple offers higher speced products, they would love talk about it. They talked about how fast is A9X and they love talk about spec, but they only do so when specs are better than competitions.
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I would be willing to pay the same price as the bigger 5.5" phones as long as it had the same internals and everything.

Cool stuff. You are willing to pay anything Apple charges you. And if the leakee specifications are real, then congratulations you just got ripped off very badly.

Apple must really happy to see people willing to shell out 1000 dollars or more for almost 2.5 years old crap. Loyal customer right there

Side note: Moto X Style is only 399.99. You can buy 3 of them for one iPhone 6S Plus.

 

[MrAverigeUser]

Spec is not important only when Apple offers things that significantly lower spec that competition and justifying high cost associated with Apple products. When Apple offers higher speced products, they would love talk about it. They talked about how fast is A9X and they love talk about spec, but they only do so when specs are better than competitions.

And:
Because apple isn´t at all leading concerning specs, since YEARS they only claim that the "new" apple "xxx" product is "the best/thinnest/fastest/(whatever) xxx WE EVER MADE".

they know that they can´t claim that apple products are superior to their competitors. Leader since Years is Samsung, NOT apple.
Since samsung is now able to sell their products with WindowsPhone on it future times will get very much harder for apple… too much people realizing that apple takes them for fools… and to be honest: For many of the religious (sometimes fundamentalist) believers in the apple-church this is (still) sadly correct… but it starts turning ….

 

[2457282]

I would sell my 6s in a second for revised 4" phone. I am in the minority now days, but I really use my phone for texting/calls and very very light browsing.

I have an ipad for the other stuff =/

I was with you but now that I am on the 6s, I don't think I could go back. It is primarily an age thing and the thickness of my glasses. I don't think I will ever go to the plus, but go back to the 4" would be a touch choice. Still I totally think Apple needs to have a 4" phone in thier line up.

5se... 6+S... etc etc

What happened to plain, straight forward names?

Apple really needs to rethink their naming strategy with the iPhone. It's getting to be a bit convoluted. Their first mistake was naming the 2nd gen iPhone, the iPhone 3G instead of iPhone (2nd generation) and advertising the 3G component as a tentpole feature rather than part of the name, i.e.: "The new iPhone, now with 3G" or something like that. Because of that, we have never had an iPhone simply called iPhone since the original. The naming scheme of iPhone generations should be the same as the Macs (and even iPods) whereas the overall name is retained but has a generation number or year model in parenthesizes. For a while and for the most part, the iPad was following the Mac model, yes they came out with the iPad 2 in 2011 but between 2012-13, iPads were identified by their generation and not a new number for each new model, but then they messed it up again in 2014 with the iPad Air 2, iPad mini 3 (and 4), etc.

The naming scheme does need that sort of streamlining but it's honestly a bit more difficult now that Apple's product lineup has gotten a tad bloated in recent years.

I wish Apple would just take a small (4"), medium (4.7"), large (5.5") approach. Every model is basically the same. Small and medium could be the same price to avoid having the small steal sales from the medium - people who want a smaller iPhone are probably willing to pay the "regular" price for it.

I have been advocating a naming strategy for Apple for a while now - any strategy since it does not seem to have one right now.

I personally would like to see a naming strategy that is consistent accross their product lines. In almost every category they have three basic flavors. So Small, Medium, and Large are an option but it's not always about the size. Sometimes it's about the features.

Only in the iOS products is there any sense of generation, where in all the other product lines the names never reflect the generation. I prefer the later. My thought is the top end within the category (either based on size or feature) is what Apple usually refers to as Pro. At the bottom end they can leverage the Mini label (again based on size or features) and the middle can just be the product.

So in the iPhone you would have the iPhone mini (4"), iPhone (current 6s), and the iPhone Pro (current 6s+)

This would work for the iPad the MacBook and the iMac without much of a stretch.

 

[tevion5]

Alright, enough already, AAPL. And next year's upgraded version of this handset with the A6X and eXtended memory will be the iPhone 5sex?

You know this dilemma happened before yeah back in the 80's? I'm expecting the iPhone SE/30 any day now
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no iPhone LC?
...

It'll keep going all the way down like it did in the 90's. I'll live to see an iPhone 8600/250 any day now...

 

[Monique1]

Some of you whiners are obviously too young to remember the 3.5" screen. Amazingly we all seemed to get by with it. I can't even count the number of books I've read on my ip4.

The iPhone 5/5s is still the best form factor phone. I've been waiting for 6 months to see if this new 5se rumor had legs. Put me down for 2.

 

[bmustaf]

I am an old fart who also walked uphill (in the snow) to school both ways. I did read on my 3.5" screen, flip phone before that, and NeoPoint 1000 with WAP browser before then, Pilot 1000 before that, and Newton MessagePad before that.

I would never go back to any of these, but do think a smaller-handed 4.7" version would be nice for smaller hands or pockets would be great (my girlfriend loved her 5S, and hates her 6 b/c of this but loves the performance & camera improvements...a 4.7" version of the 6S would be great for that market).

Some of you whiners are obviously too young to remember the 3.5" screen. Amazingly we all seemed to get by with it. I can't even count the number of books I've read on my ip4.

The iPhone 5/5s is still the best form factor phone. I've been waiting for 6 months to see if this new 5se rumor had legs. Put me down for 2.

 

[aces99]

I would not see how would this happen. Apple would not replace iPod Touch with 4 inch iPhone. It will be way more expensive than iPod Touch becuase it is iPhone. If iPhone 5SE has similar internal as iPhone 6, I would say they gonna charge people similar price as iPhone 5S right now (599 CAD at this time).
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Spec is not important only when Apple offers things that significantly lower spec that competition and justifying high cost associated with Apple products. When Apple offers higher speced products, they would love talk about it. They talked about how fast is A9X and they love talk about spec, but they only do so when specs are better than competitions.
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Cool stuff. You are willing to pay anything Apple charges you. And if the leakee specifications are real, then congratulations you just got ripped off very badly.

Apple must really happy to see people willing to shell out 1000 dollars or more for almost 2.5 years old crap. Loyal customer right there

Side note: Moto X Style is only 399.99. You can buy 3 of them for one iPhone 6S Plus.

Did you even read my post? I said I would pay the same price as the larger 5.5" phone as long as it had the SAME internals and everything. If I am getting ripped off then that means that everybody that buys an iPhone is getting ripped off because it would be the exact same except for screen size. Do you own a iPhone? Where did I say I would pay any amount for Apple would charge? Where did I say I would pay the same price for 2.5 year old tech? Nowhere because I wouldn't even pay the same for 1 year old tech. Next time why don't you actually read the full post before you open your mouth.

 

[aces99]

I am an old fart who also walked uphill (in the snow) to school both ways. I did read on my 3.5" screen, flip phone before that, and NeoPoint 1000 with WAP browser before then, Pilot 1000 before that, and Newton MessagePad before that.

I would never go back to any of these, but do think a smaller-handed 4.7" version would be nice for smaller hands or pockets would be great (my girlfriend loved her 5S, and hates her 6 b/c of this but loves the performance & camera improvements...a 4.7" version of the 6S would be great for that market).

They already have a 4.7" version of the 6S. The regular 6S is 4.7" and the plus is 5.5". Do you mean a 4" version?

 

[33man]

Here we go : first picture next to 5s

http://www.onemorething.nl/community/topic/dan-maar-zo-foto-iphone-6c/

 

[MaaK]

Here we go : first picture next to 5s

http://www.onemorething.nl/community/topic/dan-maar-zo-foto-iphone-6c/

This photo is clearly fake. You can see that on the edges of the right phone and on the home screen. Additionally, Mark Gurman (9to5mac) said that the phone will look like the 5s so this must be fake. He is right most of the time.

 

[SeattleMoose]

I prefer a smaller phone. For me the dimensions of the 5S are perfect. And no use for 3D touch. So yea.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Did you even read my post? I said I would pay the same price as the larger 5.5" phone as long as it had the SAME internals and everything. If I am getting ripped off then that means that everybody that buys an iPhone is getting ripped off because it would be the exact same except for screen size. Do you own a iPhone? Where did I say I would pay any amount for Apple would charge? Where did I say I would pay the same price for 2.5 year old tech? Nowhere because I wouldn't even pay the same for 1 year old tech. Next time why don't you actually read the full post before you open your mouth.

WOW... you think paying 4 inch iPhone for th same price as 5.5 inch one is not getting ripped off? So Apple can just go ahead charge iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus same price then... there you go, other billions of dollar for Apple. The sad part is Apple fanboys are more than happy to let Apple rip them off and get offened by someone laugh at them... LOL.. good for you...

By the way, i got my iPhone 6S for half od the price from my employeer. But i don't use it at all, because iOS is still crap compare with Android.

 

[koyoot]

This photo is clearly fake. You can see that on the edges of the right phone and on the home screen. Additionally, Mark Gurman (9to5mac) said that the phone will look like the 5s so this must be fake. He is right most of the time.

Like I've said in other threads: revised iPhone 5S as a 5SE, and iPhone 6S Mini. With hardware that is similar to that from 6S with even 7000 alloy, A9(that would make sense with KGI notes). And iPhone 5SE would still have that A8, larger battery, etc, etc.

Apple have to have 3 form factors of iPhone. 4, 4.7, 5.5 Inch. With each generation they will have to show 3 new phones.

Adding this to lineup will make sense, if they want to hold 5SE for one more year in their lineup, but a bit "cheaper" - 350$.

 

[mojolicious]

WOW... you think paying 4 inch iPhone for th same price as 5.5 inch one is not getting ripped off? So Apple can just go ahead charge iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus same price then...

How much more does it cost Apple to produce 5.5" casing and screen, than it does to produce 4" casing and screen? More or less than ten dollars?

 

[aces99]

WOW... you think paying 4 inch iPhone for th same price as 5.5 inch one is not getting ripped off? So Apple can just go ahead charge iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus same price then... there you go, other billions of dollar for Apple. The sad part is Apple fanboys are more than happy to let Apple rip them off and get offened by someone laugh at them... LOL.. good for you...

By the way, i got my iPhone 6S for half od the price from my employeer. But i don't use it at all, because iOS is still crap compare with Android.

Well I am not a fanboy. I am actually thinking about dumping Apple and going with Android or MS unless Apple hits a home run out of the park. I am not tied to any one brand. I use whatever works best for me at the time. So calling me a Apple fanboy is, well, a good laugh. Thanks for that.

P.S "you think paying 4 inch iPhone for th same price as 5.5 inch one is not getting ripped off?" You don't understand how manufacturing works much do you? There is a lot more to the cost of a product besides screen size. The price difference between screen size and casing between a 4" and a 4.7 or 5.5" is minimal. It's the insides and R & D that make the most difference.

 

[bmustaf]

They already have a 4.7" version of the 6S. The regular 6S is 4.7" and the plus is 5.5". Do you mean a 4" version?

Yes. That is what I meant.

 

[shiseiryu1]

I think it's a mistake to exclude 3d touch. Apple likes to make fun of "fragmentation"; why sell any new device that doesn't have all of the features that is going to become standard on all future iPhones? Also, developers will have more incentive to build in 3d touch if the market is big as possible.

 

[LovingTeddy]

How much more does it cost Apple to produce 5.5" casing and screen, than it does to produce 4" casing and screen? More or less than ten dollars?

Well I am not a fanboy. I am actually thinking about dumping Apple and going with Android or MS unless Apple hits a home run out of the park. I am not tied to any one brand. I use whatever works best for me at the time. So calling me a Apple fanboy is, well, a good laugh. Thanks for that.

P.S "you think paying 4 inch iPhone for th same price as 5.5 inch one is not getting ripped off?" You don't understand how manufacturing works much do you? There is a lot more to the cost of a product besides screen size. The price difference between screen size and casing between a 4" and a 4.7 or 5.5" is minimal. It's the insides and R & D that make the most difference.

So Apple should charge same price for 5.5, 4.7 and 4? WOW... So why not charge same price for 128GB and 16GB, really the cost difference is minimum... But... that is not the case...

So you guys justifying charging same price for 3 sizes by going the cost difference is minimal. But the cost difference between 16GB and 128GB is minimal too, so really Apple should charge same price for 16 and 128GB.

 

[ackmondual]

I guess it's confirmation there's a market for the 5 form factor. Personally, having moved to a 6, I'd not want to go back to a 5. That said, I've always found it strange that you have to buy big to get the most powerful phone.

AFAIK, there may be some technical issues with cramming absolutely everything the Iph6s+ has into a 4" form factor. That said, this sounds like one of those cases where they don't want to make an "ultimate device". Once they do, you likely won't want to go to another device, which is not what Apple wants.

I remember with the Palm PDAs (Sony not withstanding), every new update or iteration was a sidegrade of some sorts.

 

[aces99]

So Apple should charge same price for 5.5, 4.7 and 4? WOW... So why not charge same price for 128GB and 16GB, really the cost difference is minimum... But... that is not the case...

So you guys justifying charging same price for 3 sizes by going the cost difference is minimal. But the cost difference between 16GB and 128GB is minimal too, so really Apple should charge same price for 16 and 128GB.

No Apple should not charge the same for the 16GB and a 128GB phone and that is not what I am saying. I said there is more to the cost difference than just the display. I do believe that the 4" should be cheaper than the bigger phone but I would be willing to pay the same for a 4" as a 5.5" just to get a 4" as long as it was the exact SAME just a 4" version. But if Apple wants to charge me less and you seem to think they should all the better for me.

 

[majkom]

If there is anyone sane in Apple, please:
- stop using numbers with iphone names (as u dont use them with macs) - just make simple mkt names for 3 phones: iphone mini, iphone, iphone plus (pro)
- do not release that 2 generations old tech now, release iphone mini with other two iphones in september - all with last gen chips, same ram, if u must differentiate, do that with stupidities like 3d touch
- do the same with iPads later in october/november

And give me kudos for solving mkt mess u got there right now...