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Good lord! DO you need to be spoon fed everything? Every statement you have made is very short sighted. You make assumptions that only 1 person per household will be buying an iPad. Businesses are buying them, people are buying more than 1, people are replacing their computers with them, people are buying them for their kids. Why is it so hard to believe that people are treating these things like iPods? I bought 1 for my wife last year and after seeing my 4 and 3 year old sons fight over it I bought another. Tomorrow I will buy an iPad 2...that's 3 in my house alone in case you lost count(do you need a link for that as well?) I may not be a case model, but I know that there are many more families like mine. How manyt households have more than 1 computer? Remember, there was a time when people thought that there would never be a TV in every household...now there are 2.24 in every one.

With over 300 million PCs sold in 2010... I don't see why 50 Million Tablets is so out of whack?

I think they are over analyzing. 50 Millions seems lofty... but we'll see.
 
Why should they bundle a competitors browser with their OS? People have a choice to install another browser on their computer if they so wish.

It wasn't the fact that they didn't bundle it. It was the fact that if a PC manufacturer wanted to include it, MS would threaten to not sell Windows to them or sell it to them at a higher price than others who followed MS's rules.
Thereby forcing the PC guys to only include IE.

Back in the dial-up days, it was quite a task to download another browser. Especially if IE would 'lose' the connection to Netscape's servers half way through the download- happened to me a few times while living in France in the 90's.
 
Amazing how you disprove your own statement in the parenthetical.

Parentheticals are often employed when one desires to make a statement, while addressing potential concerns of the readers. The TV didn't have any real competition to displace. I was simply acknowledging the inferior counterparts (radio and newspaper.)

I replaced my mother's desktop PC with an iPad.

She must have been a low-end user. It's relatively difficult to write any serious document on an iPad.
 
With over 300 million PCs sold in 2010... I don't see why 50 Million Tablets is so out of whack?

I think they are over analyzing. 50 Millions seems lofty... but we'll see.

Not sure why you quoted me for that statement, but sure!
 
We need to coin a new phrase here: "Shelving Share".

"Samsung Galaxy has a 27% Shelving Share.... :)
 
It wasn't the fact that they didn't bundle it. It was the fact that if a PC manufacturer wanted to include it, MS would threaten to not sell Windows to them or sell it to them at a higher price than others who followed MS's rules.
Thereby forcing the PC guys to only include IE.

Back in the dial-up days, it was quite a task to download another browser. Especially if IE would 'lose' the connection to Netscape's servers half way through the download- happened to me a few times while living in France in the 90's.

Here is a quick summary of the issues by the FTC for those that are interested. See the box at the bottom of the page.

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/antitrust/monopolization_defined.shtm
 
Only 1.2B people live in households that have more than a $7.5k yearly income (consumer class of people).

Selling, not only shipping, 50M iPads this year plus the 7M from last year would mean the 57M / 1.2B or roughly 5% of people in these households would have one ... or 1 in every 20.

I just don't buy it ... at all.

edit: as an extension, if one considers 3.5 ppl / household that would be 1.2B / 3.5 ppl = 340M households. Therefore, 57M / 340M household or roughly 20% of households would have an iPad ... I think that's EXTREMELY optimistic.

They meant 50M tablets (of which iPad projected estimates about 70% or about 35M); The number sound optimistic, but consider this:

300+ million PCs are sold every year
200+ million smartphones are sold every year and dramatically growing (apple alone sells 40-50M/yr)
300+ million TV sets are sold every year
100+ million game consoles (2010) are still sold per year


so I agree 50M may sound unrealistic but really it's a re-allocation of monies that people are already spending.

(that is, as tablet sales go up, it'll cut into some PC, console and perhaps some TV sales, possibly defining it's own catagory from a sales reporting perspective)

P.
 
Parentheticals are often employed when one desires to make a statement, while addressing potential concerns of the readers. The TV didn't have any real competition to displace. I was simply acknowledging the inferior counterparts (radio and newspaper.)



She must have been a low-end user. It's relatively difficult to write any serious document on an iPad.

What about silly documents? Can they be doe on an ipad?

Most computers will never have a simple document written on them let alone a "serious" one.
 
I know as well as you that Apple is one of if not the most important tech company and whatever they do influences others. Also, the community here is enjoyable :)

And the only Apple product I owned was an iPod second gen. Click wheel with the green and black lcd screen. I'd buy an iPod classic if I have the money laying around :( such good devices.

So you haven't had any interest in purchasing a single Apple product for the last 10 years, yet feel the need to frequent and post on an Apple message board? What could you possibly add to the discussion, without owning ANY recent Apple product (and by recent, I mean anything with a color screen) except trolling and snark? I'd never frequent an android forum, because I don't own any android devices and therefore could not make real, educated comments about their software. Beyond that, I don't see WHY someone would be interested in a fansite messageboard for a company's products that they don't care for.
 
That's why I told him to do his own research. How sad is it that he now needs you to define the word "use", as if its too hard to click the link and read it.

You could show him this link about the University of Melbourne's Trinity College pilot program. These programs are happening all over the place in academia, business, and government.

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/03/07/trinity-ipad-trial-recommends-wider-rollout/
http://ipadpilot.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/trinity-college-ipad-pilot-report-available/

Just watch iPad year one. Skip past the giddy hype, and just note the company names and what they're saying they're doing. The leaders of Salesforce, Chicago Public Schools, Beth Israel Deaconess, Children's Hospital Boston.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Apple#p/u/6/HpiVeC1Z3yI

I already know clients of ours that are snapping it up. I held a GotoMeeting session with one on my wife's iPad a few months ago. It's impressive.

~ CB

You're missing the point again. Total university deployment will be relatively minor outside of the US, where tuition is tax-subsidized.

The initial link you provided about the word "use", did not define usage. If it said "deploy", that would be a different statement. It also didn't state percentage of each corporation. In fact, I couldn't think of a worse article to cite.
 
do you have any numbers for this? i haven't seen a single business in Germany with an iPad, nor anyone running iPhones in house (enterprise). I actually see more BB and Android usage with all the corporations. Granted, I haven't lived in the states in a few years, maybe things have changed.

Things have changed. iPads are pretty common. I see them in high-end restaurants (those that print a new menu daily), I see them in jewelry stores. My firm is working enabling all apps (some 70) for the iPad, iPhone/pod and BB (android is a ?? now), and we support 20K field reps who live at the end of a phone/wifi. We're a Fortune 100 company, managing about $USD500Billion in customer assets.

My 7th grade nephew has been told that all students will be assigned an iPad next year. This is in a county of 10,000, mostly corn and dairy farmers in the Midwest (read rural public consolidated school comprising lots of poor farmers). That will be 900 iPads for the school district next year, and eventually 1800, once the High school converts. The primary reason: Levelsetting for the 'under 7.5K' household income, as media moves away from books and onto digital (they amortized the iPad against physical books, handout costs, std test scoring costs of paper test and they came up with a net wash).

Basically, I would suggest that laptop sales will be cut in 1/2 over then 2 years, and desktops will drop by the same amount. So for every Windows XP/98/95/me device out there now... I'm expecting 80% of those will be replaced with a tablet. at least in the US.

YMMV, but I'm still long on AAPL.
 
Things have changed. iPads are pretty common. I see them in high-end restaurants (those that print a new menu daily), I see them in jewelry stores. My firm is working enabling all apps (some 70) for the iPad, iPhone/pod and BB (android is a ?? now), and we support 20K field reps who live at the end of a phone/wifi. We're a Fortune 100 company, managing about $USD500Billion in customer assets.

My 7th grade nephew has been told that all students will be assigned an iPad next year. This is in a county of 10,000, mostly corn and dairy farmers in the Midwest (read rural public consolidated school comprising lots of poor farmers). That will be 900 iPads for the school district next year, and eventually 1800, once the High school converts. The primary reason: Levelsetting for the 'under 7.5K' household income, as media moves away from books and onto digital (they amortized the iPad against physical books, handout costs, std test scoring costs of paper test and they came up with a net wash).

Basically, I would suggest that laptop sales will be cut in 1/2 over then 2 years, and desktops will drop by the same amount. So for every Windows XP/98/95/me device out there now... I'm expecting 80% of those will be replaced with a tablet. at least in the US.

YMMV, but I'm still long on AAPL.
Is there any documentation on deploying iPads?

I am extremely unwilling to accept the pol...nanny state Apple has created without some more tools and documentation.
 
Just wondering when people start talking about Apple abusing it's position in the market. I guess the question is what is the percentage required?

Well, *having* a monopoly isn't illegal. You've got to *abuse* the market power that comes from having the monopoly before you hit that territory. That usually comes in the form of attempting to use that monopoly power to gain a monopoly in another market. (Microsoft's OS monopoly being used to "cut off the air supply" to their competitors in the browser market, for example.)
 
So? Do you think that is uncommon?



Why is it difficult to write a "serious document" on an iPad?

Here is what I think, if you can replace your computer with an iPad then you had no use for a computer to begin with.

Add to that, you need a computer at least once to activate and ipad, update and ipad, and sync an ipad. So I cannot full replace a desktop or laptop when it needs it to get started or keep updated.

It is difficult to write a serious document on the ipad because it lack serious tools to do so. Pages and Numbers are second rate desktop software compared to MS Office for "serious" writing.

When/if the Ipad gets Office i will reconsider my statment.
 
I wouldn't want to embed 20 or 30 figures into a 50 page document using an iPad.

Yet you've already said you don't own one so you've never used an iPad for a significant length of time - if you've even used one at all.

Your argument fell apart the moment you only considered households and ignored all the businesses and institutions that are lapping them up.
 
I wouldn't want to embed 20 or 30 figures into a 50 page document using an iPad.

I'm sure that comes up all the time in most households. :confused: :rolleyes:

Personally, I've never done that on my laptop or desktop at home. Can't imagine that I'm in the minority.
 
Parentheticals are often employed when one desires to make a statement, while addressing potential concerns of the readers. The TV didn't have any real competition to displace. I was simply acknowledging the inferior counterparts (radio and newspaper.)



She must have been a low-end user. It's relatively difficult to write any serious document on an iPad.

Here is what I think, if you can replace your computer with an iPad then you had no use for a computer to begin with.

Add to that, you need a computer at least once to activate and ipad, update and ipad, and sync an ipad. So I cannot full replace a desktop or laptop when it needs it to get started or keep updated.

It is difficult to write a serious document on the ipad because it lack serious tools to do so. Pages and Numbers are second rate desktop software compared to MS Office for "serious" writing.

When/if the Ipad gets Office i will reconsider my statment.

You're another short sighted person. Just because the iPad isn't for you doesn't mean that it can't do what most course owners need it to do, checking email, surfing the net and posting on Facebook. Add in the other useful things it does makes it very attractive. For every excuse you can come up with for not owning one I can think of at least two or three that makes it attractive to me.
 
You're another short sighted person. Just because the iPad isn't for you doesn't mean that it can't do what most course owners need it to do, checking email, surfing the net and posting on Facebook. Add in the other useful things it does makes it very attractive. For every excuse you can come up with for not owning one I can think of at least two or three that makes it attractive to me.
Does the iPad require an Apple Store account?
 
How dare they give away a free piece of their software in their own OS, and then give me the choice of using it.

So now iPad has a monopoly on the tablet market, they're clearly abusing it by bundling Safari with the iPad. Should they be stopped? Sounds like it to me.

Why should they bundle a competitors browser with their OS? People have a choice to install another browser on their computer if they so wish.

Spoken like someone who either doesn't understand the actual issues regarding the Windows/IE monopoly trial, or simply doesn't want to.

First, had they simply included IE with Windows they would likely have been perfectly fine from a legal stand-point. Unfortunately, they also, as part of their contracts to supply PC-makers with Windows required that IE be installed, *and* (here's where things went bad) that no other browser be installed. If the PC-makers didn't agree to that contract, they either didn't get Windows licenses (if you were a small OEM), or the licenses cost an additional $30-50 a copy (if you were a major OEM). Microsoft was using it's Windows monopoly to impose a $30-50 price increase on their *competitor's* products.

Using your monopoly power in one product to create additional barriers to market for your competitors is abuse of monopoly power.
 
There are only 1.2 billion people on the planet that live in a household with more than 7500 USD in income. Assume that 3.5 people live in a household ... that makes roughly 1.2B/3.5 = roughly 350 million households that have an income of greater than 7500 USD / year.

I am assuming that households below 7500USD/yr would not spend roughly one month of their income on a tablet.

50M tablets / 350M households = 1 / 7 or roughly 14.3%. If you include last years tablets ... it's roughly 20% of households with a tablet.

1 out of 5 households ... I don't believe it.

I also understand the limitation of my analysis ... households can have more than a single tablet ... I guess that I have a little, actually a tiny, hope that the human race hasn't descended that much into consumerism yet!

The reason I don't believe it is because the tablet still doesn't have a basic function. It's not a utility ... it doesn't replace a phone/TV/kitchen appliance. I just don't think it will reach 20% saturation unless the definition of tablet changes to merge with a phone based item.

It still seems like segway ...great technology with no application. It does however have apple behind it and they do produce some products that are essential (phones, PCs, laptops) that could lure customers in.

This what I thought you meant too.
It's interesting to realise that ONLY 1.2B people in the world earn over 7.5kUSD, even being generous on the number of ppl in each family, it's an awful high ratio.
It could be that Apple's share is much higher (the rest are telling porkies) and that some families do have more than one iPad.
About the function of the tablet, I see it as almost virgin territory and that function will come slowly. It's indicative of how Apple created a new market almost overnight, the way other co's are scrambling to compete.
Finally, if my dear late mum was still around, this is one device I would try on her. She was in her 80's and never had any sort of computer, but the ipad is so non-threatening I'm certain she could have used it.
 
You're another short sighted person. Just because the iPad isn't for you doesn't mean that it can't do what most course owners need it to do, checking email, surfing the net and posting on Facebook. Add in the other useful things it does makes it very attractive. For every excuse you can come up with for not owning one I can think of at least two or three that makes it attractive to me.

No you sir cannot read. Or you read what I said but gave an answer unrelated to my claim.


I said SERIOUS documents. I never said ipad wasnt great to check email, facebook, or cnn.com.
 
Here is what I think, if you can replace your computer with an iPad then you had no use for a computer to begin with.

That's pretty funny. Email, web, photos, movies, simple documents. Are you saying these aren't worthwhile uses?

Add to that, you need a computer at least once to activate and ipad, update and ipad, and sync an ipad. So I cannot full replace a desktop or laptop when it needs it to get started or keep updated.

Blah. You only need access to a computer on occasion. My mom syncs with my computer whenever she visits. With the added bonus that her stuff actually gets backed up. I spent more time maintaining her desktop PC.

It is difficult to write a serious document on the ipad because it lack serious tools to do so. Pages and Numbers are second rate desktop software compared to MS Office for "serious" writing.

Depends on your definition of a "serious document". I've never made a document at home for personal use that I couldn't easily make on an iPad.
 
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