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Apple should just bring back the 3.5 headphone jack back. This will eliminate all the problems with the bandwidth. There is only so much technology you can fit in the Air Pods.

There are many people out there who would still prefer the 3.5 headphone jack in today's world.
Never gonna happen.

And the reality is that only a very small percentage (like small single-digit) would prefer wired to wireless. And of those folks they'd still complain about Apple's price and how XY brand is superior because blah blah blah. So there's really no reason at all for Apple to bother with wired headphones. The opportunity is just far far too small to be beneficial to the investment.
 
Yeah, I love my airpods, but I occasionally worry about them making a wireless connection with each other pretty much directly through my cerebellum. I know Bluetooth is low power enough that it's not really a massive health concern, but still.
Radio waves don't fry your brain...

Also why say 'cerebellum'? What a weird post. Bet you can't even locate the cerebellum on a brain.
 
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Hearing compressed audio is easy: listen for the edges, the edges are fuzzy. It's brutally noticable on The live in hollywood/blue bayou track by Linda Ronstadt. Instead of a smooth edge her voice turns into a hacksaw...and that's with itunes plus. I normally don't care about that stuff, but I just can't listen to that particular track compressed because it's so brutal.

If you can't hear it, great!

Audio is always a tradeoff. I listen to my iphone speaker because it's what i have on me. I used to listen on transistor radios. I listen on my stereo when I can. Music is music, enjoy it however you want!
 
All that is fine and dandy, but when the design is too big to comfortably fit in your ear it’s all for nothing. The AirPods 2 should have been upgraded instead.
 
I have multiple expensive "audiophile" headphones, which I love and spend a lot of time with, but there's just no way I'd go back to wired headphones when out and about. I'd rather compromise on audio quality then than on convenience.
I concur with the quality statement, especially considering the road, train, or airplane noise that often accompanies out and about transportation or work. My problem is a radio transmitter that close to my brain for hours at a time. Not going to happen.
 
My 3rd gen AirPods were definitely a big improvement in audio and mic quality over my 1st gen but I think the fit is far worse. They feel huge for my ears compared to the 1st/2nd gen AirPods, is the sacrifice worth the sound quality improvements? Probably, but it was definitely a step back for comfort and secure fit.

Also moving from a tap to a squeeze was an utterly stupid decision. I used to have no issues running and tapping my AirPods, now I have never been successful at skipping a track without then having to reposition the Airpod while running. I hate the squeeze to do something change and I hope they go back to a tap.
I keep failing at fit, the new Beats Fit Pro finally are comfortable for me to wear more than 10 minutes. I have some cheap ones from Amazon that fit even better, but they went walking here in the house. I’ll keep them because I can wear them for water aerobics.
 
Didn’t Apple just upgrade the 3.5 headphone jack in the M1 to support higher quality audio? At lease make a dongle to support that level of audio on the iPhone if you don’t want to return the headphone port to the iPhone.
 
I concur with the quality statement, especially considering the road, train, or airplane noise that often accompanies out and about transportation or work. My problem is a radio transmitter that close to my brain for hours at a time. Not going to happen.
If that is one's concern, it's of course a completely different thing. But it's not like it's not easy to still use wired headphones if you want to.
 
I'd bet that most users don't really tell the difference with what they are listening to.

Headphone jack also isn't going to work - people don't want to be cabled to headphones while listening
 
But that's my point; it's NOT for me. Sounds identical. And again, it might depend on what kind of system you're listening to it on.
More than likely it depends on you. Just like there are differences in performance of Olympic athletes and high school athletes and differences in beginning violinist and accomplished violinists. Listening is a learned skill. You can't hear a difference because you chose not to learn. Nothing wrong with that, but you should not have an opinion about those that did learn to hear the differences.
 
They were pretty awful on Android already because you can't use any of the features of the headphones. There's literally no point in owning AirPods if you have an Android phone.
My very very cheap UPS guy says they are the only ones that have ever worked for him in the truck. He can hear people, they can hear him and not the road/truck. I was shocked when I saw him using them! I mean, his phone is a prepaid piece of Android “wonder” LOL. I only wish I could get my boyfriend to use something better, even his car hands free stinks.
 
Radio waves don't fry your brain...
Really, how about https://sites.bu.edu/ombs/2011/03/01/this-is-your-brain-on-rf-emf/

"Although no justified claims can be made between this study’s observed brain activity increase and brain cancer of other pathology, the results show that cell phones do have an observable effect on our brains."

That is just the first study I pulled up. Now here in the US we have a lot of profit motivation to ignore or suppress the science. I'd like to know where you got your information that RF does not fry your brain. We've only had cell phones for what 40 years and it took a while to catch on. Where are the long term studies? Oh they don't exist, but propaganda does.
 
I agree. I refuse to pay that much for headphones that can’t even do CD quality audio.

And yes, I can hear the difference

Are you sure you can tell the difference with these drivers? I mix for cinema and I can't.
 
Apple should just bring back the 3.5 headphone jack back. This will eliminate all the problems with the bandwidth. There is only so much technology you can fit in the Air Pods.

There are many people out there who would still prefer the 3.5 headphone jack in today's world.
Yep. I got my new iPhone 12 and still say "wtf" every time I'm about to plug it into an aux and can't. Utterly ridiculous.
The thing is, Apple likes selling AirPods.
 
CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. Apple Music can play 16-24 bit 44-48khz through Bluetooth.

To go any higher they require a DAC.
 
More than likely it depends on you. Just like there are differences in performance of Olympic athletes and high school athletes and differences in beginning violinist and accomplished violinists. Listening is a learned skill. You can't hear a difference because you chose not to learn. Nothing wrong with that, but you should not have an opinion about those that did learn to hear the differences.

I don't see any point in trying to hear a difference because I thoroughly enjoy music the way I've always listened to it. I'm not sure what you mean by me having an "opinion" about those that hear something I don't. More power to them. All I was saying is that I'm glad I don't, because otherwise my enjoyment of music would be lessened any time I wasn't listening on some super high-end system with some sort of lossless file.
 
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They clearly are, given that LDAC is supported on every Android device.

It's just Apple not licensing codecs like apt-x and LDAC. The hardware is there, it's entirely possible to enable with an update, Apple just needs to play nice.
That would be great if they stop pretending that only what they are offering bluetooth wise now is adequate. Nobody really wants to utilize only Apple/Beats products. There is a whole world of audio products out there. :)
 
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CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. Apple Music can play 16-24 bit 44-48khz through Bluetooth.

To go any higher they require a DAC.
No, over Bluetooth the highest quality an iOS device can deliver is 256kbps AAC. Those lossless tracks are being transcoded before they reach your AirPods. With the Lightning to 3.5mm dongle it can push 24/48 and it requires a DAC for Hi-Res.
 
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Apple in October introduced the redesigned third-generation AirPods, which have an updated design, Adaptive EQ support, spatial audio, and other new features. To explain some of the design decisions Apple made with the AirPods 3, Apple's vice president of acoustics Gary Geaves sat down for an interview with What HiFi (via 9to5Mac), providing some interesting insight into the limitations of Bluetooth and the feature set of the AirPods 3.

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According to Geaves, AirPods 3 were built entirely with custom-made components, using nothing "off the shelf." Apple is using a "complicated acoustic system," "carefully tuned bass port," and a "brand new, custom amplifier" all in the name of the best possible sound quality. Apple can optimize for sound with hardware components, but as What HiFi points out, Bluetooth is the real limitation.

When asked if Bluetooth is holding back Apple's hardware and "stifling sound quality," Geaves declined to say too much, but he said that Apple "concentrates very hard" on getting the most out of Bluetooth, and that "it's fair to say" that Apple would "like more bandwidth."

When conceptualizing the AirPods 3, Geaves said that the AirPods team "looked very closely" at the strengths of the second-generation AirPods. The "effortless open fit" that doesn't create a seal in the ear is a big draw of the AirPods, but designing around the lack of a seal "creates challenges for the audio team."

Because no two ears are the same, Geaves said that the sound people experience will be "significantly different, especially the bass," which is what led Apple's AirPods team to add Adaptive EQ, an AirPods Pro feature, to the AirPods 3. It's designed to provide a "consistent frequency response regardless of the level of fit that each person gets."

When designing audio hardware, Apple works from a "strong analytic foundation" and has done "extensive measurements" and "deep statistical research" to inform an "internal acoustic analytic response" that's taken into account. Geaves says that Apple also understands that listening to music "is an emotional experience which people connect with on a very deep level," so Apple works with an "expert team of critical listeners and tuners" as well. The team is from the pro audio industry, and refines the sound for each product, including the new AirPods 3.

The full interview with Geaves goes into more detail on the AirPods 3 and it's well worth a read for those interested.

Article Link: Apple's AirPods Team Wants 'More Bandwidth' Than Bluetooth Provides
A parallel wifi signal just for airpods and their own keyboard??
 
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