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I have a Valve Index but don't use it as much as I should because of how cumbersome it is to pull out and use. If Apple can fix this issue, they'd have a winner. I'm not sure how this can be done without going wireless, and I doubt you can push that many pixels out via wireless.
 
Doesn't really seem like a useful product, yet.
I have a Valve Index and when you see some of the UI designs in the software, you see the potential. Image having no monitor, but several UIs you can see just by looking around, in whatever environment you can think of. Definitely a lot of potential.
 
Image having no monitor, but several UIs you can see just by looking around, in whatever environment you can think of. Definitely a lot of potential.

LMAOOOOO

You think?

Sir, it took Apple six months to make our speakers stop crashing on the Studio Display. Making bug free hardware and software is super hard even for 2 trillion dollar company and a headset you depend on has no room for such bugs.

AR and VR is much harder and if you think you can throw away your monitor and wear headset all day you haven’t even thought about user’s health and comfort.
 
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For that you still use the TV. Have you ever watched a movie on your iPhone? This is the same thing but in VR.
No. I don't think I could put up with watching a movie on an iPhone for 90 to 120 minutes.
Most of Apple and the tech world in general are single early 20 year olds and workaholic middle agers. They’re not thinking about family time. That’s why Home only works reliably for one person at a time.
You may be on to something...
 
Oh...."four people familiar with the matter." That made me laugh!

People still need to cling to that price to justify their need to call it a flop.

I guess some people do. To me it doesn’t sound like the price alone will make it a flop.

Strong Ballmer energy coming from that mindset.
 
No. I don't think I could put up with watching a movie on an iPhone for 90 to 120 minutes.
I mostly mean that it would replace the use case of people that do watch tv or movies on a phone or ipad. It’s just a more personal experience, and also one that the younger generation will be more inclined toward.

I’m old enough to remember hearing that soon we would be doing everything on mobile and desktop computers would become much less relevant. That sounded like a nightmare to me but here we are. I’ll probably always have a desktop but for most people the idea of having a computer sounds strange now, and it’s possible one day it could be the same with AR.
 
I guess some people do. To me it doesn’t sound like the price alone will make it a flop.

Strong Ballmer energy coming from that mindset.
If we are going to rely on the rumors for pricing info, we probably shouldn't ignore one of the earliest rumors that claimed it was initially going to be very expensive as Apple was targeting app developers with the first generation of the hardware.
 
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If we are going to rely on the rumors for pricing info, we probably shouldn't ignore one of the earliest rumors that claimed it was initially going to be very expensive as Apple was targeting app developers with the first generation of the hardware.
Exactly. The first one is going to be expensive because this really is cutting edge technology. Just like with the iPhone it’s up to Apple to make people see the value in it, and I wouldn’t count them out on that just yet.
 
I mostly mean that it would replace the use case of people that do watch tv or movies on a phone or ipad. It’s just a more personal experience, and also one that the younger generation will be more inclined toward.

I’m old enough to remember hearing that soon we would be doing everything on mobile and desktop computers would become much less relevant. That sounded like a nightmare to me but here we are. I’ll probably always have a desktop but for most people the idea of having a computer sounds strange now, and it’s possible one day it could be the same with AR.
I don't disagree with you, but I am hoping that Apple has larger aspirations for the technology than boosting subscription revenue for Apple TV+.

It goes back to the old "faster horse" analogy. I think it will be a waste if the new tech just provides a different way of doing things we can already do instead of introducing new ways of doing new things.
 
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I don't disagree with you, but I am hoping that Apple has larger aspirations for the technology than boosting subscription revenue for Apple TV+.

It goes back to the old "faster horse" analogy. I think it will be a waste if the new tech just provides a different way of doing things we can already do instead of introducing new ways of doing new things.

Oh yeah exactly, tv is one obvious application but I’m hoping that just like with the iPhone they solve problems with it that people didn’t even realize they had. It’s all going to be about the software.
 
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So many hilarious rumors in the article.

Waist mounted battery with cable? what year is this ? 2016?

Outward-facing display to show the facial expressions? so much sci-fi fantasy. They'll release AR glasses for such interaction without resorting to such gimic tech.

Wait until you see the self walking shoes. You’ll never need to use your legs again. Your shoes will go out for you 😂😛

The future according to Sillycon Valley is where you put a cage around your head, stay at home in your $4000 a month WeWork BnB, pay micro payments to breathe Peloton Fresh Air, use your virtual person sponsored by Brawndo to meet virtual friends sponsored by Carls Jr in the virtual park where Mark has parked his virtual candy van sponsored by Gymshark to teach kids about how amazing the metaverse is sponsored by Facebook.
 
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The things you post, you’d didn’t even acknowledge people drink and eat while watching a movie or working, people wear vision correction glasses, they watch movies together. They use an irreplaceable physical keyboard. All this is very difficult with a head set.

I mean knowing me I will buy this XR headset out of curiosity. I have used every VR for 30+ years and became bored with every one of them. Sega VR to Oculus all became boring and uncomfortable. I’ll probably get tired of the Apple one and return it after a week.

Goggles will prevent people from drinking or eating while watching a movie? My shared example of watching a movie was in flight and yes, while flying, I often don't eat or drink while watching a movie.

At home, I have a nice home theater setup. Much of time I'm watching something, I'm not eating or drinking. However, if I want to eat or drink something. neither the current reality nor the goggles scenario would prevent me from doing so (goggles don't block the mouth). I can temporarily stop watching a movie in goggles like I might temporarily stop watching one on TV, iPhone, iPad, MBpro to go get some food or drink.

You do understand that these are not a permanently-affixed thing. Much like putting the phone down to go do anything else, one could remove the goggles... just like removing headphones when done/pausing listening to music. Take the goggles off and go eat & drink. Or leave the goggles on and let the AR show you an overlay of your hands holding the slice of pizza and lifting it to your mouth... or lifting a glass to the mouth to take a drink on top of the screen in the background. That seems to be a logical application of the AR side of things while consuming some form of VR entertainment like watching a movie.

And you do understand that goggles existing as a product won't prevent anyone from watching a movie together? There will still be TVs, iDevices, Laptop screens, in-flight screens, etc for social watching too. I certainly do watch some stuff solo on TVs, iDevices, MBpro, etc AND I watch things as a group on the same TV, at the theater, in the sports arena, etc. Goggles won't kill the latter options, just add another kind of personal screen to options like watching something on a phone or on a laptop screen. I see people doing that everywhere.

Again, in flight, I see people zone out with ear goggles (headphone) to listen to "their virtual stereo" as they fly. I see people zone out (solo) watching something on their phones or tablets or laptops. I'm not grasping the difference if Goggles facilitate holding a bigger screen in front of our eyes, any more than maybe flipping headphones headband down to lay across the eyes. Lift headphones off to hear anything in reality. Lift goggles off to hear & see anything in reality. Same effort & energy as is commonplace now with headphones.

Furthermore, in my example of computing with these substituting as a screen, I very clearly said my vision would use a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad/mouse... so I'd be feeling a keyboard just like I am this second while viewing what I'm typing on a virtual desktop screen instead of the actual one I'm using now. I agree that the ability to feel the keys seems irreplaceable for this concept. So I'm simply imagining the screen as replaceable, not the input devices I use everyday with reality screens.
 
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Man even the Peloton copium and hopium.

Peloton is a dumb product and a dumb company. Just go out and ride a bike in the fresh air at 6AM.

I'm no fan of Peloton myself. And I do "peloton" on an actual bike in the fresh air every morning.

That point was about millions of people currently paying enough for that ONE service to cover the cost of Goggles + a subscription service like that where one feels even more immersed in the personal training. And that could be just one feature of goggles able to show us a virtual reality. It should be far better than a smallish, 2D screen on the handlebars of a comparably expensive-but-one-use product from entities like Peloton.
 
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Goggles will prevent people from drinking or eating while watching a movie? My shared example of watching a movie was in flight and yes, while flying, I often don't eat or drink while watching a movie.

At home, I have a nice home theater setup. Much of time I'm watching something, I'm not eating or drinking. However, if I want to eat or drink something neither the current reality nor the goggles would prevent me from doing so (goggles don't block the mouth). I can temporarily stop watching a movie in goggles like I might temporarily stop watching one on TV, iPhone, iPad, MBpro to go get some food or drink.

You do understand that these are not a permanently-affixed thing. Much like putting the phone down to go do anything else, one could remove the goggles... just like removing headphones when done/pausing listening to music. Take the goggles off and go eat & drink. Or leave the goggles on and let the AR show you an overlay of your hands holding the slice of pizza and lifting it to your mouth... or lifting a glass to the mouth to take a drink on top of the screen in the background. That seems to be a logical application of the AR side of things while consuming some form of VR entertainment like watching a movie.

And you do understand that goggles existing as a product won't prevent anyone from watching a movie together? There will still be TVs, iDevices, Laptop screens, in-flight screens, etc for social watching too. I certainly do watch some stuff solo on TVs, iDevices, MBpro, etc AND I watch things as a group on the same TV, at the theater, in the sports arena, etc. Goggles won't kill the latter options, just add another kind of personal screen to options like watching something on a phone or on a laptop screen. I see people doing that everywhere.

Furthermore, in my example of computing with these substituting as a screen, I very clearly said my vision would use a bluetooth keyboard and trackpad/mouse... so I'd be feeling a keyboard just like I am this second while viewing what I'm typing on a virtual desktop screen instead of the actual one I'm using now. I agree that the ability to feel the keys seems irreplaceable for this concept. So I'm simply imagining the screen as replaceable, not the input devices I use everyday with reality screens.

FFS you always respond massive giant paragraphs when a good idea only needs two sentences. Bad ideas need giant paragraphs. That’s why IN REAL LIFE we call it rambling 😂😛

Cut the amount of words you use down by 80% and go read about user interfaces and healthy work practises.
 
FFS you always respond massive giant paragraphs when a good idea only needs two sentences. Bad ideas need giant paragraphs. That’s why IN REAL LIFE we call it rambling 😂😛

Cut the amount of words you use down by 80% and go read about user interfaces and healthy work practises.

And you have still not shown me the sci-fi impossibles in anything I've shared in spite of slinging the accusation many times now. Tell me what this rumored technology + the right software could not do that I've imagined it might do.
 
And you have still not shown me the sci-fi impossibles in anything I've shared in spite of slinging the accusation many times now. Tell me what this rumored technology + the right software could not do that I've imagined it might do.

Everyone showed you in the other thread then you ran away and started posting your giant paragraphs of ideas here. You didn’t even take on board any feedback about user comfort and health. You ignore all the practical and technical problems and continue to post giant paragraphs. It’s as if you are already stuck in virtual reality prison cage and don’t want to listen to anyone on the outside 😟😔
 
"The dedicated ISP translates the distorted images captured by the external cameras into a faithful video representation of the user's surroundings with low latency."

So... no see-through display??? What a damn shame!
The tech simply doesn’t exist, and Apple can’t just conjure it up by magic.
 
Everyone showed you in the other thread then you ran away and started posting your giant paragraphs of ideas here. You didn’t even take on board any feedback about user comfort and health. You ignore all the practical and technical problems and continue to post giant paragraphs. It’s as if you are already stuck in virtual reality prison cage and don’t want to listen to anyone on the outside 😟😔

No, mostly just you were slinging this nonsense... which again mostly seems to be anti-technology advancement in general with a lot of anger aimed at Meta/FB/Zucker/Crypto... which AGAIN, has nothing to do with Apple and whatever this will be.

I just got tired of trying to answer such posts (by you).

What are the practical and technical problems I'm ignoring? Please enlighten us.

As to "not listening?" I'm actually reading what you write and attempting to answer. You are the one ignoring any opinions other than those that align with your view of this. I'm respectful that you see NOTHING here (or worse). You seem to lack the same respect that others may see SOMETHING here. There should be room for opinions, speculation and ideas beyond only your own about this topic.

I fully acknowledge you see NOTHING here about this goggles concept. Fortunately, everyone else can have opinions too... that don't all align with yours.
 
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  • Interior Micro OLED displays for each eye with a 4K resolution, made by Sony, forming an 8K image overall.
No. 8K is 4x the resolution of 4K, not 2x. And the per-eye image is used to generate one 3D image, not to increase the resolution - it basically shows the same image in each eye with a small offset in view angle.
 
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Ha. Honestly I don’t get what problem this is solving or what convenience it’s providing. Since the passing of Steve Jobs no one at Apple has ever been able to answer the ‘why’ question. They can tell us what and how but rarely why. iPad Pro is a good example of that.
The basic use case seems to be 3D video calls. Remote meetings but they feel like in-person. And they can have added value for collaborative engineering of 3D objects (instead of just 2D screen sharing). This is targeting the enterprise market, not the casual consumer.
 
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