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so what the iPhone is supposed to have the same base storage as a Mac? most iPhone stuff is in the cloud anyways. I haven't thought about my storage in years. the 256 base on the Mac is far more concerning.
 
I never understand how people think Apple is making these choices with actual consumer needs or desires in mind .... ....irrespective of their own business goals

Folks -- this is not about consumer needs

It's keeping things "tight" to help drive people up the iCloud subscription tiers

Apple is all about Services growth
Just read their financials

Yes, I know and I don't have any problems with it. I don't need Apple to take care of my needs or even know about them. They're just a potential solution provider.

Apple provides products and services at a certain price point. My job as a potential customer is either to pay what they charge or not. If they provide enough value for me, I'll pay. If they don't I don't pay.

it's an extremely simple system which I prefer over any other system I have heard about.
 
I'm using less than 50Gb.

If you use iCloud Photo Library and iCloud Drive, most regular users don't need a huge amount of local storage.

All these people want is to save money. That's not Apple's job.

We want Apple to turn down the juice a little bit on how much they charge for storage. But you're right that's not Apple's job, that's why their market share is decreasing.
 
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It's not free upgrades, throughout years Apple phones have become more expensive and while some of it has to do with more elaborate and expensive tech built into said phones, some things like RAM and storage have become way less expensive per GB.
It would "cost" Apple close to pennies to make 256GB as base storage in phones and tablets and 512GB in iPad Pro and all their Mac's, but they want to squeeze every penny out of their loyal customers with their artificially inflated storage and memory upgrade prices.
Apple engineered this squeezing, not customers.
Apple products usually cost considerate premium over similar products by other companies.
If I pay premium, I expect to receive something more than an Apple logo in return for the money.
Apple isn't unique in neither of niches that it occupies in the market anymore so they might as well get on with times.

So the rational thing to do for you, would be to stop being loyal and buy something else?

If Apple isn't providing enough value for the prices they charge, why are you still a customer?
 
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If you're truly an Apple fan, you would be for this change. After all, as an Apple fan, you want better products, no? So being against this change is fundamentally contradicting.

I don't mind paying more for products which provides me more value. I don't mind paying less either. But one thing I don't like it's when customers try to have say in how companies design and price their products. It's not our job to interfere in that process.

Our job is to buy or not to buy. That's the question.
 
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Correct
Because they are ripping everyone off -- royally - on that storage pricing

They're not ripping anyone off. People buy their products and services, repeatedly, of their own free will.

If people think the Apple ecosystem is too expensive, just change to the Google ecosystem which would be overall much cheaper and probably better if you're dissatisfied with Apple.
 
I'm using less than 50Gb.

If you use iCloud Photo Library and iCloud Drive, most regular users don't need a huge amount of local storage.

All these people want is to save money. That's not Apple's job.

Yeah we do the same. So photos/videos only take up a few gigs for me b/c it's constantly backing up to iCloud (and Google Photos for me). And between the 5 of us, we're using almost all of our 2 TB of iCloud storage, most of which is taken up by everybody's photos/videos. I do download the occasional movie/tv show when traveling. And do have about 8-10gb of playlists I like to keep local. But still, I'm barely over 60gb on the regular.
 
I got 15PM with 512Gb storage thinking it will be just enough. After almost 1,5 years of having the phone I used up 64GB of storage, out of which 12GB is photos and videos. And I have a kid! As much as I hate to say it 128GB is still fine, but what is not fine at all is charging additional 128 or 256 insane amount of money.
 
Wait... why the above, but then those same people mentioned in the quote below need to pay for iCloud storage?




See what's going on?

They do need the storage and Apple have rigged this to get people hooked on a never ending subscription.

"Services growth!"

You seem to get angry when companies make a lot of money from their customers.

Most regular users need a lot of storage only for their pictures and videos. Fortunately, Apple offers several solutions to this problem:

Solution 1* (no extra cost, low value): iPhone with little local storage and no iCloud subscription.
Solution 2 (high cost, medium value): iPhone with a lot of local storage and no iCloud subscription
Solution 3 (medium extra cost, medium to high value): iPhone with little local storage and medium cost iCloud subscription
Solution 4 (high cost, medium to high value): iPhone with a lot of local storage and expensive iCloud subscription

Although it isn't a linear correlation between value and cost, we can see that by spending money, we get more value. This is a good thing.

* Not really a solution, unless you value frustration and Apple gives you it for free!
 
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(amazing how all the "8GB of special magical Apple RAM is plenty for everyone" defense sort of died out ... hmmm 🤔)

We always said that Apple would increase specifications when it was needed for most regular users. Apple Intelligence requires more RAM, Apple increased it.

What we argued against was that more RAM was needed before Apple Intelligence was released for a lot of users and we didn't want them to pay $200 more for the base model if it was increased by Apple.

If you don't intend to use Apple Intelligence or other memory hungry applications, 8Gb is still good enough for a lot of Mac users.
 
A $1000 phone should never be short on space, it’s apple just wanting to charge more for more space.

So you want unlimited storage?

Charging more for more space seems quite normal to me. So many things in life increases in value when you increase the size.
 
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Probably not. Im guessing thats another LIE apple told us. That if u turn that feature off it gives u back the space. Guess they will have people suing them

It's marked as not in use and will be deleted if the space is needed.

This has the advantage that if the user changes their mind, Apple Intelligence does not need to be downloaded again.
 
Then when 32GB of RAM is demanded, they will reuse the same argument.

Because the argument is still valid.

As long as a lot of regular users don't need a certain amount of RAM, it's better for them that Apple offer a low configuration than a higher configuration with a higher price.

We never argued against Apple increasing memory without Apple increasing prices, but we knew that Apple wouldn't to that unless they're well compelled to do so.

LLMs memory usage compelled Apple.
 
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This user gets the picture

Squeezing everyone on included storage is ultimately all about getting you hooked as a recurring revenue customer "forever"

It's basically just drug dealer tactics

That's a good thing. I want billions of people to be hooked on Apple products and services.
It benefits me immensely since a hugely profitable product or service gives Apple an incentive to continue and sometimes even develop it further and I like most Apple products and services.
 
I think you underestimate how juicy is the services revenue line for Apple and how many people are using base storage iphone with 50GB iCloud plan and then after couple years 200GB plan. Average user doesn't want to think about managing their photo/video library or sync it manually on a external device.

I know how huge it is since I have been reading every quarterly report for 15 years. It's hugely profitable. It started around 60% and now it's over 75%.

But a large part of that profit isn't paid by Apple's customers, but by Google.

It's good that Apple offer a solution for the average customer to manage their photo library. That provides value for the customer and the customer should pay for that value.
 
I understand their need to generate revenue for their stock holders, but adding also external storage slots back into the iPhone would be amazing. We don't have to be treated like children to their corporate greed.

Children doesn't get angry about corporate greed since they most often use their parents money.

Being angry at companies is an activity almost entirely being done by adults.
 
It’s not about free upgrades, it’s about getting fair value for the money we spend. The 128GB tier is there to pad Apples margins with our money, nothing more.

I agree completely and the solution is to refrain from buying. You're not getting a fair value for the price Apple charge, you behave rationally and do nothing*.


*Except complaining, but that's free and you probably get a lot of value out of it
 
The cost of RAM was way higher back then. And the iPhone was unique in the early days. Today all phones come with 120hz screen and lots of storage space as a standard. Apple could sell the 128GB for a lower price and keep the 256GB version at the same a 128GB would normally cost. RAM is getting cheaper every year 😉. Everybody happy!

Apple wouldn't be happy. It's kind of fruitless to come up with suggestions where the producer of the products and services would be worse off.
 
Except for the fact that there are plenty of people who don’t take pictures, don’t store music or media locally, or use a different device (like a Mac) for local file storage and management.
There are also plenty of people, more than you are imagining I’m sure, that literally just use their phone casually for social media and web browsing and as a regular phone. These people are also unlikely to be using anywhere close to 128 GB.
We can argue about upgrade prices, being too expensive, completely agree there. But 128GB is a fine starting storage for a phone or tablet.
And unlike 8 GB of ram, which actually did seem to be falling behind their competitors, 128 GB is right in line with what the vast majority of Android phone manufacturers are selling.
The Brand new Samsung Galaxy S25 just introduced last week… Starts with 128 GB of storage on the regular models. The 256GB starting “Ultra” is actually more expensive than the 256 GB iPhone 16 Pro Max if you can believe it.
And I highly doubt the majority of Samsung users are paying them for any extra storage, yet 128 GB is the default.
While it's technically true that there is a 128gb s25 (the + starts at 256), right now Samsung is offering a $10 upgrade to go to 256, and often offers free storage upgrades. So it's not apples to apples with what Apple is doing.
 
I also disagree, because in the grand scheme of things, there are more important things for Apple to do right now.
I mean, I remember back when it started at 16 GB, now that was absolutely ridiculous.
  1. Increasing the base storage in Macs is much more important in my book. I needed to upgrade from my M1 iMac because Xcode was absolutely unsustainable, although I had plenty of power to run it. In fact, my M1 iMac has been both the best and the worst computer I've ever had because of that.
  2. Add more memory in iOS/iPadOS products. At least 12 GB in iPhones and 16 GB in iPads.
  3. Increase this ridiculous free iCloud Storage
  4. Increase base memory from 8 GB to 16 GB in Macs Done
  5. Reduce those upgrade prices for Macs please. They're criminal.

Summa summarum: I want to spend less money
 
The same technology is cheaper this year than it was last year. As Apple is known for not using the latest and greatest in technology, it’s cheaper. Samsung S25 is using a newer chipset from Qualcomm than Apple is using in their iPhones for 5G etc. Samsung is using a better OLED screen with higher pixel density and more brightness (2600 nits) than the iPhone (2000 nits) too.

That's not how the market should work. Companies should charge what they can irregardless of their cost.

We as potential customers should care much for the profit of the companies, and only make a judgement if the product provides enough value for the price.
 
I was waiting for this one

This always gets trotted out, eventually, if being critical of Apple

I'm surprised it took until page 8 actually

It's the rational thing to do. If something isn't providing enough value for the price being charged, not buying seems like the right action.

Complaint doesn't really get you anywhere does it?
 
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