Apple's Budget iPhone X May Have Same Ultra-Bright, Low-Power LCD Technology as LG G7

[WarHeadz]

Every iPhone X screen that I've seen looks dingy and dirty! Apple has a long way to go before they even get close to the mastery of OLED like Samsung.

Lol! Ummmm...who do you think manufactures OLED screens for Apple?

 

[EugW]

I'm in that club also.
Can't stand the oversaturated, unnatural colors from AMOLED/OLED.
Make it bright and accurate and I really don't care about the technology behind it.

Uh, I guess I should point that the iPhone X with OLED was the most accurate display for colour that DisplayMate had ever measured when they tested it.

The Absolute Color Accuracy of the iPhone X is Truly Impressive as shown in these Figures. It has an Absolute Color Accuracy of 1.0 JNCD for the sRGB / Red.709 Color Gamut that is used for most current consumer content, and 0.9 JNCD for the Wider DCI-P3 Color Gamut that is used for 4K UHD TVs and Digital Cinema. It is the most color accurate display that we have ever measured. It is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect, and is very likely considerably better than any mobile display, monitor, TV or UHD TV that you have.

 

[Macalicious2011]

While it's exceptional for TVs, OLED can have image retention and smartphone OSes tend to have very static UIs and app icons.

Image retention has not been a problem on my current phone or even my previous S6 Edge Plus I owned for 2.5 years.

OLED on small devices is nothing but joy and makes the blacks on my iPad Pro look washed out.

Can't stand the oversaturated, unnatural colors from AMOLED/OLED.

You can choose colour profile on many phone e.g natural, saturated or boosted.

 

[recoil80]

I'm fine with an LCD display, I'm really happy with my 8+.
OLED on the X is better, but it isn't a game changer in my opinion. I only seldom watch videos on my iPhone and never play games, so my phone is always showing a mostly white UI. I love the OLED panel on my Apple Watch but watchOS has a dark theme, so as long as iOS doesn't switch to dark I can stay on an LCD.

I don't use 3D touch a lot, but I think I'd miss it while typing on the keyboard. I don't miss it at all while using the iPad, but it is a different kind of device.
I'm not a fan of portrait lighting effect, but "plain" portrait mode is good, and I use the second camera for taking pictures all the time so even without portrait mode I'd miss the optical zoom.

In the end I'm not sure this phone would be a great upgrade for me. The 8+ is quite big, I won't say I regret buying it but something smaller would be great. I'm on a plan similar to AT&T next so I can upgrade my phone in October, but I don't feel like spending too much for a phone at the price point of X, so let's see, maybe my carrier will offer 2017 iPhone X at a lower price. I'd have the same A11 and basically the same camera (I'd gain OIS only) so let's see what Apple has in store for this fall. An 8+ with the same display but less bezels would be perfect, but I can see why they want to make an "entry level" phone cutting some features like dual camera or 3D touch

 

[IcyTexx]

I can't stand the PenTile subpixel matrix... Galaxy S9 is OK for me at 570ppi, but iPhone X really **** the bed. I can see that white isn't white, it just doesn't look right. I guess I won't like this matrix arrangement either.

Seems like I'll be sticking with the iPhone 8 and will skip buying the next one until they implement MircoLED. For the first time since the iPhone 3GS.

 

[BruceEBonus]

Good to see MR adopting a surprisingly unbiased review and letting readers have a quick peek over the wall to see what’s going on in the alternative world of technology. And how you can save £400 into the deal for the same thing. You probably wouldn’t swap even if LG gave it away because of the allegiance to Tim admittedly, however at least MR have been refreshingly open minded with this article so well done there.

 

[diipii]

I am certainly not paying 14 grabillion splonders for a phone with nits. Over here in the civilised section of the globe, nits are head lice. Not that we have head lice you understand, but we don't want any johnny (jony) come lately nits interloping on our green fields and hedgerows thank you.
You naughty colonials should venture out of your closets and visit. The whole place is covered with blossom and new green leaves, we have 3 foxes that visit every night, the beer is cool and the ploughman's lunches tasty and Macs are not a religion and very soon we will be an independent sovereign nation once more.
Cheers !!

 

[Keirasplace]

Image retention has not been a problem on my current phone or even my previous S6 Edge Plus I owned for 2.5 years.

OLED on small devices is nothing but joy and makes the blacks on my iPad Pro look washed out.



You can choose colour profile on many phone e.g natural, saturated or boosted.

Come on, It's still a problem. Tired of people just lying.
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I can't stand the PenTile subpixel matrix... Galaxy S9 is OK for me at 570ppi, but iPhone X really **** the bed. I can see that white isn't white, it just doesn't look right. I guess I won't like this matrix arrangement either.

Seems like I'll be sticking with the iPhone 8 and will skip buying the next one until they implement MircoLED. For the first time since the iPhone 3GS.

Most people don't change phones every year, so that's AOK.

 

[chad.petree]

I really would be fine with a LCD screen, but don't want a substandard camera which is exactly why Apple will reserve that for the flagship model(s).

The camera on the iPhone x is already subpar , I don't care about the second camera, but they need to increase their sensor size and also have a great hdr mode like Google does !

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

After historically sticking to the top flagship iPhones, it seems I may have a wider choice then normal when I come to upgrade later in the year.

The 2018 Model X if Apple reduce the price point, the 2017 Model X at a discounted rate, or the phone on this thread or the full screen SE2 (if that becomes a reality).

 

[EugW]

After historically sticking to the top flagship iPhones, it seems I may have a wider choice then normal when I come to upgrade later in the year.

The 2018 Model X if Apple reduce the price point, the 2017 Model X at a discounted rate, or the phone on this thread or the full screen SE2 (if that becomes a reality).

Likely the 2017 X would get discontinued although some stores and carriers would still have stock for a short period.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

Likely the 2017 X would get discontinued although some stores and carriers would still have stock for a short period.

Yes I fully expect the 2017 X to be discontinued by Apple. It effectively is already with the reported aggressive rampdown in production. It is unlikely to be cascaded down like previous models.

My plan, if I went for that model, would be to snag one of the sell off stock from the carriers / retailers as you suggest.

 

[trssho]

Dude, your voice is so annoying...

 

[manu chao]

I've never understood OLED making sense for small displays like those found in smartphones. While it's exceptional for TVs, OLED can have image retention and smartphone OSes tend to have very static UIs and app icons. OLED is also less bright than LED-LCD (at the moment), and you want as much brightness as you can get for things like phones and tablets which people use outside in broad daylight.

OLED used to have the color gamut advantage, but with quantum dots and other workarounds, LCD can now output the same size gamut (DCI-P3). About the only thing which OLED trumps LCD is black levels, which for a phone isn't really a big deal IMO.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not hating on OLED. I love OLED, and I own an LG C7 TV which is absolutely amazing. OLED is an incredible technology. It's just not suited for certain devices and use cases IMO. For phones at this current time, I'd rather have a non-OLED screen.

Am I getting this right: You prefer LCD screens on phones because you think that retention will be issue on the OLED screens Apple is using in the iPhone X at some point in the future? And because most OLEDs are not as bright as most LCDs (disregarding that the LCDs in the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus have the same brightness as the OLED in the iPhone X)?

Or more generally, you'd prefer Apple to not use OLEDs in its phones because OLEDs used in other phones do worse than LCDs used in other phones (except for black levels) despite the OLED used in the iPhone X does not do worse than the LCDs used in all other iPhones (except for slight tint when viewing the display at an angle)?

 

[manu chao]

I'm in that club also.
Can't stand the oversaturated, unnatural colors from (all the) AMOLED/OLED (before the release of the iPhone X).

Corrected this for you.
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I am 10 months into a Samsung Galaxy A5 (2017) & definetely have a burn in on the status bar at top.

I am 6 months into an iPhone X, and there is definitely no burn in yet. Apple clearly said that they reduced burn-in compared to previous OLED phone screens. I think to remember tests that tried really hard to produce burn in and the iPhone X was maybe 2x better than other OLED phones (meaning the same burn-in took twice as long to appear). We'll know more as time progresses but there definitely aren't many (if any at all) of iPhone X burn-in reports yet.
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They've already given 3D Touch several years, and it's still an abysmal failure. It's time for Apple to give up on 3D Touch already.

I probably can list you a dozen features of iPhones that people use less than 3D Touch. Does this mean Apple should can all those features too?

 

[EugW]

I probably can list you a dozen features of iPhones that people use less than 3D Touch. Does this mean Apple should can all those features too?

Maybe yes for some of them (excluding accessibility options). Feel free to list.

Anyhoo, saying that a poorly supported feature is not quite as unused as a few other feature is not exactly an endorsement.

Furthermore, 3D Touch requires specific hardware support, adding to the hardware cost. Most iOS features only are software.

 

[manu chao]

Probably yes for at least some them. Feel free to list.

1. Triple click on the home button (side button on iPhone X)
2. Triple click on headphone remote to skip backwards
3. Emergency SOS
4. Connecting an iOS device to Ethernet via a Lightning to USB and USB to Ethernet adaptor
5. Time-lapse movies
6. Portrait lighting
7. Shake to undo
8. Screen recording
9. Raise to listen
10. Animoji
11. Game Center
12. Siri

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I'll have to check the next time my girlfriend is over but I'm fairly certain when here Essential is off, you can't tell where the screen ends and the camera notch begins.

I think what was meant was when you display something with a black background, not when the screen is switched off. The problem of LCDs is the backlight bleeding through (the pixels and often the edge). With the phone off, there naturally is no backlight.

Apple pretty much ALWAYS puts an older chip in their budget devices, which of course is understandable. It seems however a lot of people don’t expect this for some odd reason.
I’d expect an A11 chip in this device, but wouldn’t be too surprised if it gets and A10 like the “new” iPad.
The chances of it getting an A12 like the pricey X models is pretty much zero, as few would pay much more just to get an OLED screen.

What were the chances of the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus getting the same chip generation as the iPhone X? Compared to the iPhone X, they both are 'budget' phones.

 

[EugW]

1. Triple click on the home button (side button on iPhone X)
2. Triple click on headphone remote to skip backwards
3. Emergency SOS
4. Connecting an iOS device to Ethernet via a Lightning to USB and USB to Ethernet adaptor
5. Time-lapse movies
6. Portrait lighting
7. Shake to undo
8. Screen recording
9. Raise to listen
10. Animoji
11. Game Center
12. Siri

1. What does that do? It does nothing for me. It is software only though anyway.
2. Software
3. Safety
4. Sure, kill it.
5. Software
6. Software
7. Software but sure, kill it.
8. Software
9. Software
10. Stupid feature
11. I hate it. I wish it were gone completely. It’s a big negative IMO.
12.

A lot of the features rely on hardware but the hardware is there already for other reasons anyway so those features effectively only require additional software. In contrast, 3D Touch needs hardware that is specifically a requirement for it.

 

[manu chao]

1. What does that do? It does nothing for me. It is software only though anyway.
2. Software
3. Safety
4. Sure, kill it.
5. Software
6. Software
7. Software but sure, kill it.
8. Software
9. Software
10. Stupid feature
11. I hate it. I wish it were gone. It’s a big negative IMO, that can’t easily be entirely disabled.
12.

A lot of the features rely on hardware but the hardware is there already for other reasons anyway so those features effectively only require additional software. In contrast, 3D Touch needs hardware that is specifically a requirement for it.

You can argue that 3D Touch is a waste of hardware space (and cost). But you can also argue that using it adds to software complexity of the UI. My examples mostly also add UI complexity (ie, you might accidentally trigger them while trying to do something else or vice versa).

P.S.: 3D Touch relies on two related components: 1) pressure sensors and 2) haptic feedback engine. If I had to guess, I'd say the haptic feedback engine adds more volume to the phone. And haptic feedback is used in areas beyond 3D Touch and doesn't require explicit usage or knowledge.

 

[EugW]

You can argue that 3D Touch is a waste of hardware space (and cost). But you can also argue that using it adds to software complexity of the UI. My examples mostly also add UI complexity (ie, you might accidentally trigger them while trying to do something else or vice versa).

Yes, which is why I shut off 3D Touch. In contrast, it’s difficult to accidentally turn on screen recording or make a time lapse movie.

 

[I7guy]

You can argue that 3D Touch is a waste of hardware space (and cost). But you can also argue that using it adds to software complexity of the UI. My examples mostly also add UI complexity (ie, you might accidentally trigger them while trying to do something else or vice versa).

P.S.: 3D Touch relies on two related components: 1) pressure sensors and 2) haptic feedback engine. If I had to guess, I'd say the haptic feedback engine adds more volume to the phone. And haptic feedback is used in areas beyond 3D Touch and doesn't require explicit usage or knowledge.

The random list of items is not how everybody views things. I love time lapse movies. Dont use ANY digital assistants. Use shake to undo when typing long posts responding to MR. And you can pry 3dt out of my cold dead hands. (Lord forbid)

 

[manu chao]

The random list of items is not how everybody views things. I love time lapse movies. Dont use ANY digital assistants. Use shake to undo when typing long posts responding to MR. And you can pry 3dt out of my cold dead hands. (Lord forbid)

Which pretty much makes my point. There are a number of iPhone features that only a small minority might use, but that minority might really like them and most importantly different people will like different features. Thus even if every feature from such a list is only used by a small minority, removing every feature only used by less than x% can actually easily affect a majority of users, each of which of which might use only a few of those features (regularly).

 

[I7guy]

Which pretty much makes my point. There are a number of iPhone features that only a small minority might use, but that minority might really like them and most importantly different people will like different features. Thus even if every feature from such a list is only used by a small minority, removing every feature only used by less than x% can actually easily affect a majority of users, each of which of which might use only a few of those features (regularly).

No it doesn’t make your point because you don’t know, out of the hundreds of millions of devices, what percentage use what features of iOS. You can’t deduce it from forum posts. And what you believe is a minority may be a majority.

 

[manu chao]

No it doesn’t make your point because you don’t know, out of the hundreds of millions of devices, what percentage use what features of iOS. You can’t deduce it from forum posts. And what you believe is a minority may be a majority.

I am running with somebody else's argument that it is a minority. I am pointing out that even if it is only used by a minority, this is not necessarily a reason to remove a feature. You are right, I don't know whether a feature is used by a minority or a majority (though I can compare the number of people explicitly saying whether they use a given feature or not as a rough indicator). When somebody claims a feature is used only by a minority, instead of arguing a point that cannot be proven (whether it is a minority or not), I make a point that even if only a minority used, that is far from enough a reason to remove a feature.

 

[I7guy]

I am running with somebody else's argument that it is a minority. I am pointing out that even if it is only used by a minority, this is not necessarily a reason to remove a feature. You are right, I don't know whether a feature is used by a minority or a majority (though I can compare the number of people explicitly saying whether they use a given feature or not as a rough indicator). When somebody claims a feature is used only by a minority, instead of arguing a point that cannot be proven (whether it is a minority or not), I make a point that even if only a minority used, that is far from enough a reason to remove a feature.

I guess what I’m saying is how can you or anyone else know if a software/hardware feature/function is used by a “minority”.