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Really? What do you use it for on a daily basis?
I use it every single day for Apple Pay transactions. My bank debit card is the default. I also keep several loyalty cards, rewards cards, other credit cards. When traveling my airline boarding pass is in the Wallet app as well as on my Apple Watch which the airline agent simply scans as I pass through the gate. When my state finally adopts digital drivers licenses that will be in my Wallet app too.

So, in short, the Wallet app has become all but essential to me on a daily basis.
 
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Apple gearing up for the inevitable government intrusion into its business. There will be third party Wallet apps that a very few loud mouthed complainers will tout. Those who take the bait will get screwed over yet blame Apple when they do. Just take a look in the Apple Card section of the Apple Discussion Forums to see how gullible and ignorant people are about finances and credit cards.
I like the intrusions, things like fire exits wouldn't exist, because companies would be too cheap to make sure they exist in buildings. I like the freedom to be able to download whatever browser and apps I want to on my computers. I like to be able to know companies can't prevent alternatives.
 
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I use it every single day for Apple Pay transactions. My bank debit card is the default. I also keep several loyalty cards, rewards cards, other credit cards. When traveling my airline boarding pass is in the Wallet app as well as on my Apple Watch which the airline agent simply scans as I pass through the gate. When my state finally adopts digital drivers licenses that will be in my Wallet app too.

So, in short, the Wallet app has become all but essential to me on a daily basis.

Same here. What is even more funny, is that if a place doesn't take apple pay or some form of payment where I can use my phone, I tend not to shop their anymore. I have gotten in the habit of using my phone now, it is almost second nature.
 
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Same here. What is even more funny, is that if a place doesn't take apple pay or some form of payment where I can use my phone, I tend not to shop their anymore. I have gotten in the habit of using my phone now, it is almost second nature.

Same here, except for me it’s actually the Apple Watch I have gotten in the habit of using. Using Apple Pay on iphone while wearing a mask (yes, masks are still mandatory indoors in my city and state in Mexico) is rather uncomfortable.
 
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I like the intrusions, things like fire exits wouldn't exist, because companies would be too cheap to make sure they exist in buildings. I like the freedom to be able to download whatever browser and apps I want to on my computers. I like to be able to know companies can't prevent alternatives.
Well, you already have those options on other platforms. So why are you still on this one? I don’t understand posts like yours. You complain about Apple yet remain on the platform when you have options. Please explain.
 
You can install whatever you want on your devices but Apple is just not going to support it.
No, you can't. In order to do that you need to jailbreak your device. And there are no iOS15 Jailbreaks available. So if you buy an iPhone today you have no way of running any sort of program not approved by Apple.
 
I use it every single day for Apple Pay transactions. My bank debit card is the default. I also keep several loyalty cards, rewards cards, other credit cards. When traveling my airline boarding pass is in the Wallet app as well as on my Apple Watch which the airline agent simply scans as I pass through the gate. When my state finally adopts digital drivers licenses that will be in my Wallet app too.

So, in short, the Wallet app has become all but essential to me on a daily basis.

I use my digital wallet more frequently than I use my actual wallet. I actually carry fewer cards in my physical wallet because there is no need to present them physically for anything I do. As soon as my state adopts electronic IDs and driver's licenses I will probably leave it behind for my normal daily activities and carry a few bills on a money clip for the rare times I need cash.
 
No, you can't. In order to do that you need to jailbreak your device. And there are no iOS15 Jailbreaks available. So if you buy an iPhone today you have no way of running any sort of program not approved by Apple.
You can do whatever you want to your device. It does not obligate anyone to help you.
 
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Well, you already have those options on other platforms. So why are you still on this one? I don’t understand posts like yours. You complain about Apple yet remain on the platform when you have options. Please explain.

other platforms? like there were many. There’s actually only one, Android, and if we don’t like that one either it’s back to stone age.
 
other platforms? like there were many. There’s actually only one, Android, and if we don’t like that one either it’s back to stone age.
Did you ever think that maybe you are advocating for product features that don't have a commercially viable market? No one ever considers that maybe the success and the wide-appeal of iPhone/iOS comes more from Apple's discretion than appealing to geek customizers that say they want an open phone OS to do with what they want. You act like you are being forced into some artificial choice between two systems that are both ignoring what users want rather than the natural outcome of literally hundreds of competing mobile operating systems that gave way to the market forces of user telling them precisely what they would pay for and what they wouldn't narrowing it down to what you see today.
 
I think NFC should be off limits to third parties.
Why? It would certainly be behind an access control just like the camera and microphone. Even if you don’t want other payment options, there are a lot of other uses of NFC: as access cards, triggering automation, bus passes, etc.
 
Why? It would certainly be behind an access control just like the camera and microphone. Even if you don’t want other payment options, there are a lot of other uses of NFC: as access cards, triggering automation, bus passes, etc.

And Apple has already opened up the NFC for many if not all of those other uses. Just for payments with 3rd party apps they keep refusing to open it up, vaguely arguing a security risk that isn’t clearly proven to exist.
 
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You act like you are being forced into some artificial choice between two systems that are both ignoring what users want rather than the natural outcome of literally hundreds of competing mobile operating systems that gave way to the market forces of user telling them precisely what they would pay for and what they wouldn't narrowing it down to what you see today.

Is there any other way to see it?

We only have two choices: one that’s way too open and another that’s almost completely closed. That can’t be the result of customers telling what they want, it’s the result of the tech giants doing what’s more profitable for them without thinking too much about the consumers.
 
Is there any other way to see it?

We only have two choices: one that’s way too open and another that’s almost completely closed. That can’t be the result of customers telling what they want, it’s the result of the tech giants doing what’s more profitable for them without thinking too much about the consumers.

People were offered a "Goldilocks" mobile operating system by a reputable vendor that embraced both lock-in to an app store for vetted apps and more liberal access to underlying hardware APIs which allowed default app substitution for most core services from day one. Both customers and developers alike rejected it and Microsoft killed it. If a tech giant like Microsoft could not make a go at giving customers exactly what you are asking for I doubt there is a market for it.

The truth is if everybody got the one or two things changed or opened up for them that they felt iOS was lacking from being perfect in their opinion, iOS would be as unappealing to most iPhone users as Android is now.
 
Is there any other way to see it?

We only have two choices: one that’s way too open and another that’s almost completely closed. That can’t be the result of customers telling what they want, it’s the result of the tech giants doing what’s more profitable for them without thinking too much about the consumers.
Welcome to capitalism, Corporations will sell the product as long as they can make money.
If people don't like Android or iOS then they can start using Linux phones there are a few.
Solution is not break up Google/Apple.
If Apple or Google try to make every customer happy then they would have 1K different OSs which is not feasible to maintain.
Google is open source and people still complain that they don't like it, any one can take Android and customize it the way they want.
 
Switch to Android where you can customize and delete to your heart’s content.
Good to have options, but i am sure people will complain that Android is too open and iOS is too closed, they want some one to make an OS that contains exactly what they want nothing more, tailor made OS just for them.
 
It should be possible to delete any app on iOS or Android. The excuse always is that some apps are "deeply" intergrated into the system, but that was a choice by Apple and Google. It should be possible to design a system in a way that no app is so deeply intergrated that you can't delete it.

On some Android phones it is not even possible to delete the Facebook app. Facebook pays some phone manufactureres a lot of money and in return they install a very hard to delete background app by Facebook that will reinstall the Facebook app once you delete it. Such a behaviour should be stopped by the authorities. You paid a lot of money for a phone and therefore it should not come with bloatware.

The wallet app is a good example of apps that I would probably never use. So it just users storage space that I could use for porn instead.
Buy a devise that doesn't have FB installed.
I moved to Apple becasue i was tired of crap that was pre installed on most of the windows machines.
We have options, we don't need government to pass legislation for every simple thing.
We want cheap devices or even free, we don't want advertisements.
We don't want to pay for apps.
We don't want to pay for services.
 
I really don't understand this mentality.

If you buy it it's yours. Companies should not make it damn near impossible for one to modify it as one wishes.

I really dislike many parts of iOS. Especially the SpringBoard (Home screen or Launcher for the Android folk out there). Really wish I could replace it with something more to my liking. And Safari? I don't use it, I use Firefox. But Firefox for iOS uses the same Safari backend (WebKit) and not its own engine (Gecko) because of Apple rules for the App store.
I have an idea Buy Android phone, have fun with limtless options to customize.
Custom ROM, custom UI.
it is open source you can even create your own UI that no one has, specifically customized to your needs.
Leave iPhone to people who like iOS, please don't change iOS, we are happy the way it is.
 
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