Apple's Craig Federighi Answers Face ID Questions in New Interview

[flat five]

"Additionally, if you haven't entered a passcode for 6.5 days and Face ID hasn't been used in the last four hours, Face ID will also be disabled until a passcode is entered."

Huh? So it won't work after waking up then because it hasn't been used in the last four hours?

right.. same with touchID.

(or close.. touchID is something like -> if you haven't entered a passcode for 6 days and touchID hasn't been used for 8 hrs, touchID will be disabled until a passcode is entered)

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edit- that said, i imagine touchID and faceID will soon share the same rule of 6.5days/4hrs
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[bozzykid]

Touch ID: 50,0001 try someone else can get in
Face ID: 1,000,001 try someone else can get in

Those numbers actually don't mean anything. They said 1 in 50,000 people could authenticate using another person's touch id data. And 1 in 1,000,000 people for face id. However, Apple didn't say how easy Face ID would be to crack using other means. It seems reasonable it will be easier to fool than a finger print id since it is using visual data. However, that doesn't mean it will be likely it can be done.

 

[macTW]

You still need to remove your gloves or dry your hands if you want to do anything productive(typing a message, email, etc) after unlocking the phone though.

Not necessarily. Many times, Siri asks you to unlock your phone to make calls or read texts, etc. With Face ID, you don't need to remove your gloves to type a passcode or Touch ID.

 

[EdT]

Those numbers actually don't mean anything. They said 1 in 50,000 people could authenticate using another person's touch id data. And 1 in 1,000,000 people for face id. However, Apple didn't say how easy Face ID would be to crack using other means. It seems reasonable it will be easier to fool than a finger print id since it is using visual data. However, that doesn't mean it will be likely it can be done.

Every few months I'd see an article about someone cracking or fooling Touch ID, but if it was real then it was expensive and slow. Most times it was a mysterious method in the 'we won't release the details to protect users' type of article.
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I never said it was a thing? I said I wish they could have done both but they can't. And I stated Apple says the future is Face ID.

Oh, come on, I think you are hiding something. Maybe you're one of the car executives that stole/hid the 100 mpg carburetor back in the late 70's.

 

[lazyrighteye]

Prediction: face-disfiguring iPhone muggings decline in 2018.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

The blunder wasn't his fault, it was someone in the staff that blew it, but on the security, i'm concerned considering some of the elements that are involved with Apple's R&D.

 

[kstotlani]

There is a lot of discussion about the comparison between Touch ID and Face ID for opening the phone, but very little about it as a security measure within apps. That's an area where I think Face ID has the potential to be much better.

I use Touch ID quite often within apps, things like authorising my sons app purchases, or opening apps for credit cards, bank or payments. At the moment you have to open the app, or click purchase etc and then wait for the Touch ID request to come up and then touch the home button.

If Face ID is implemented well then this becomes a one step act. Just open the app and it will verify that it's you, so there is no further action required. This looks to me like being a much nicer solution.

Just imagine your son wants to buy an expensive game. All he has to do is wave it in your face and boom. (This is a joke)

 

[PlainviewX]

Used an Asian person for the photo? "Did someone blink?" Photo was definitely chosen for that specific reason.

 

[tpham5919]

Hypothetical, yet (IMO) plausible scenario: law enforcement, or for that matter anyone, only has to point your phone at your face to unlock it?

Close your eyes no matter what! =)

 

[matty.p]

"Additionally, if you haven't entered a passcode for 6.5 days and Face ID hasn't been used in the last four hours, Face ID will also be disabled until a passcode is entered."

Huh? So it won't work after waking up then because it hasn't been used in the last four hours?

That's an 'and,' so unless you sleep for 6.5 days then you'll be fine.
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Close your eyes no matter what! =)

Or just disable it before you interact with police or go through a border (or within 100 miles of a border)

 

[kingpushup]

Not for a full face helmet. Craig meant like a bicycle helmet.

Chin unneeded, just eyes to mouth.

Example: https://www.dolmanlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/motorcycle-safety-gear-accidents.jpg

Depends on the hemlet you have.

Edit: Note CF d/n mean bike helmet, as testing has ensured functionality with scarf/helmet, covering chin. But mass adoption will enable further fine-tuning.

 

[macs4nw]

So on my motorcycle.

Previous: Take off right hand leather glove use phone.

The Future: Take off right hand leather glove, Take off glasses, take off full face crash helmet, LOOK at phone, use phone, put crash helmet back on, put glasses back on.

Are you telling us you're using your phone while riding?

 

[Mescagnus]

You know who is going to be really pissed? Bank robbers. Now in the middle of a heist, if their getaway driver calls, the bank robber will have to take off his ski mask to answer his phone and well, then everyone will know who he is!

I was thinking the same

Plus kidnappers, terrorists – basically all the people who want to conceal their identity and are up to no good.

Other more common situations: role-playing, halloween, a little harmless bedroom S&M with a gas mask on, and actors on set wearing heavy makeup.

Actors & extras in scifi movies are going to have it particularly bad: sitting 6 hours in makeup to become a Klingon, only to have to rip the face off so you can read tweets between takes! Then back to the chair for another 6 hours!

FaceID is doom for Hollywood, theater & opera. And clowns entertaining kids at parties!

 

[unobtainium]

I don't think you understand What damage control is. What better way to market your product then to answer more in depth questions about this new technology that no one has complete hands on experience with. I commend Apple for discussing this technology and it's capabilities. Apple understands a lot of us have questions and it's appreciated they are addressing them.

I’m obviously referring to the Face ID fail on stage Tuesday. I understand that it was functioning as intended, but general audiences don’t know that. Apple is proactively getting their message out, partly in order to get ahead of the “Face ID FAIL!!” story, of course. It’s uncharacteristic of them to be so forthcoming with the media, so they’re obviously making an extra effort here. That’s called damage control. I mean Craig was on a late night talk show ffs..

 

[Mescagnus]

"Additionally, if you haven't entered a passcode for 6.5 days and Face ID hasn't been used in the last four hours, Face ID will also be disabled until a passcode is entered."

Huh? So it won't work after waking up then because it hasn't been used in the last four hours?

Yes, if you've been sleeping for 6.5 days.

 

[jimbobb24]

The iPhone X2 with FaceID and TouchID is going to be the most secure device in the world if their is an option to use both.

 

[joueboy]

Are you guys even thinking about the future of TouchID that just came to MacBooks. If FaceID is the future for Apple then it makes more sense for the Macs. Opening your MacBooks would make more sense and tapping any keys as you sit down on your iMacs. Forget about that Mac Pro is only recognize your ass according to Phil.

 

[NY Guitarist]

This was addressed in the article.

Confirming that if you don't have the time and/or awareness to press the buttons your phone can be unlocked by just pointing it at your face.

 

[mpetrides]

Hypothetical, yet (IMO) plausible scenario: law enforcement, or for that matter anyone, only has to point your phone at your face to unlock it?

[doublepost=1505529313][/doublepost]Not really, NY Guitarist. In the keynote Craig F specifically said you have to be looking at the phone. Won't work if you look away or even if you close your eyes (he specifically mentioned the latter).

 

[Mtmspa]

So on my motorcycle.

Previous: Take off right hand leather glove use phone.

The Future: Take off right hand leather glove, Take off glasses, take off full face crash helmet, LOOK at phone, use phone, put crash helmet back on, put glasses back on.

Boo boo. Surprised you didn’t complain that you have to stop and can’t be on Facebook while driving. Which I assume is Apples fault.

 

[zeesix]

Just imagine your son wants to buy an expensive game. All he has to do is wave it in your face and boom. (This is a joke)

There is a lot of discussion about the comparison between Touch ID and Face ID for opening the phone, but very little about it as a security measure within apps. That's an area where I think Face ID has the potential to be much better.

I use Touch ID quite often within apps, things like authorising my sons app purchases, or opening apps for credit cards, bank or payments. At the moment you have to open the app, or click purchase etc and then wait for the Touch ID request to come up and then touch the home button.

If Face ID is implemented well then this becomes a one step act. Just open the app and it will verify that it's you, so there is no further action required. This looks to me like being a much nicer solution.

I wonder how FaceID will work with in-app purchases, maybe it was described and I missed it. There has to be some sort of 2 step process though, otherwise how can you prevent unintentional authentication/authorizations? For example, your son browses the app store and sees some ridiculous app that costs $1000, and says, hey mom/dad, can I get this, while he hands over the phone. You look at the screen and an automatic FaceID authorizes the purchase... just can't be that way so it has to be less seamless.

Anyway, we can easily find situations that matter to people in different ways, and one or the other may suit them better. Overall, though, I don't know why people are trying to argue that FaceID is superior. The one downfall for TouchID is wet fingers and gloves, but to be able to really use your phone you can't have wet fingers or gloves anyway, unless you have touchscreen friendly gloves or you just talk to siri. Why not just provide both options and let everyone be happy. On top of that you could then have an option to require 2 methods of authentication or just one or the other.

 

[Pilgrim1099]

The company asked for an interview. its funny to see a scheduled interview being labelled as PR damage control

An interview that took place AFTER the unveiling. It is still damage control, regardless. It doesn't matter if it's scheduled, companies take advantage of PR every time there's an interview.
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I’m obviously referring to the Face ID fail on stage Tuesday. I understand that it was functioning as intended, but general audiences don’t know that. Apple is proactively getting their message out, partly in order to get ahead of the “Face ID FAIL!!” story, of course. It’s uncharacteristic of them to be so forthcoming with the media, so they’re obviously making an extra effort here. That’s called damage control. I mean Craig was on a late night talk show ffs..

It sounds like he got pushed to do this PR defense. Think about it. I knew he was going to be the guy to do the Face ID and Animoji demo. I saw that coming a mile away. Who else would have the charisma to pull it off on stage? Can you imagine Cook, Cue or The Shill do it? I suspect the execs voted to have him do it and said " You're the only one who's got the charm and we don't. You gotta do this for us because all of us look stupid on stage doing it. You're a natural on improv ".

It's the same thing they did when there was a huge backlash on Apple's lack of Macs or Mac Pros. Who did the PR spin then? It was Craig and The Schill doing the talking. Cook, on the other hand, only did the ' iPad Pro is the PC replacement. bla bla bla '.

 

[tennisproha]

People are making a way bigger deal of this than it needs to be. It's not even out yet! How bout you bash it once you've used it?

On a similar note, the only people I can think of that will have a legitimate issue with using FaceID are women who cover their safe with a niqab. I wonder if they would have grounds for a class action suit

 

[TheeDanielR]

There is a lot of discussion about the comparison between Touch ID and Face ID for opening the phone, but very little about it as a security measure within apps. That's an area where I think Face ID has the potential to be much better.

I use Touch ID quite often within apps, things like authorising my sons app purchases, or opening apps for credit cards, bank or payments. At the moment you have to open the app, or click purchase etc and then wait for the Touch ID request to come up and then touch the home button.

If Face ID is implemented well then this becomes a one step act. Just open the app and it will verify that it's you, so there is no further action required. This looks to me like being a much nicer solution.

YASSSS MOMMA

 

[miniyou64]

No they haven’t.

It should have said they *should have had* them both on the same device