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Apple's Craig Federighi: Mac Not Meeting the Bar for Customer Protection
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One thing I get tired of reading in every one of these threads is how greedy Apple is. Can we just not say that at all please? Apple is a company, of course it ONLY exists to make a profit. So are people expecting a "surprise pikachu face" from us when you say Apple wants money?
Hospitals are in it for making money too. But does this mean NO company can care about our privacy and security? Of course not.
We have seen way WAY more evidence of Apple being FOR security and privacy than against. Just like any business including hospitals, they obviously are wanting to make as much money as possible. But they can also be concerns and security and privacy.
Hospitals are in it for making money too. But does this mean NO company can care about our privacy and security? Of course not.
We have seen way WAY more evidence of Apple being FOR security and privacy than against. Just like any business including hospitals, they obviously are wanting to make as much money as possible. But they can also be concerns and security and privacy.
When I need antivirus software on my phone (or my PS4 or my TV or my toaster) then software has failed us and we got screwed over by boomer judges.
I don’t want a little computer in my pocket with all the hassle of a computer. I want a secure phone that also does cool stuff. The people wanting this world and pushing for this are going to screw it up for everyone and cheer about how Apple was defeated when we will all have to endure their geeky Android on iPHone fantasy. Just to use Android and live your dreams there.
If 3rd party App Store or app side loading allowed on iOS then such apps should be completely isolated from the rest of the system and be fully sandboxed. That shady crap should have no access to anything apart from its own data.
“Perfectly secure”...if ...”educate users”.
I hope you didn’t sustain any injuries falling off that turnip truck.
You have no clue what it costs to run this type of business
Apple, Macs already have a safer method to install things... its called Homebrew. We don't need an Apple Mac store protecting us. Please just have the store on iOS and leave us Mac users alone.
Other than this being an Apple forum. Because you defend Apple at all cost every time. What else would you use?
People on this thread are castigating my suggestion that people need education to be safe and secure on ANY platform, even iOS. When it is obviously true that every platform has vulnerabilities no matter how locked down it may be. Make something idiot proof and the world will provide a better idiot.
The difference is that if malware locks up my Mac, I reboot. Worst case scenario, I have to wipe my drive and possibly lose photos, important documents, etc. Inconvenient at best, costing potentially huge sums of money at the extreme end of the spectrum.
If malware locks up my phone when I need to call 911, people die. There's a HUGE difference between your phone and your computer.
Really? How much malware is installed on an old school landline wired phone? The things has literally no vulnerability at the user end.
Ha. You should write for... oh wait you were serious?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Using Hombrew and 'safer method' in a sentence like that really should come with an `/s` or people might question your intelligence.
No. He said that the Mac is not as secure as the iPhone. That's an absolute truth. I can download and install unsigned, unverified programs on my computer. I can't do that on the iPhone.
He didn't say the Mac isn't secure. He said it isn't AS secure. Objectively true.
Perhaps Woz could speak about the vulnerabilities of POTS.
macOS tackles this problem via notarization and Gatekeeper — Apple doesn't necessarily have to have a store monopoly in order to be able to sign (off on) what's allowed to run on their OS.
If the current yearly developer program fee doesn't cover any additional work that might be necessary for non-app-store checks and reviews, they can always increase the fee. They can even do so specifically for those who want to sell outside of the app store, i.e., those who want to use Apple's reviewing services without paying their 15% or 30% — that is, if Apple considers breaking even in this regard important enough to risk bad publicity.
Speaking as someone who sells apps both on and outside of the Mac App Store, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
It's funny everyone is arguing for 2 big tech companies and thinking if one side wins the cost is going to go down to the customer!
Homebrew is just an example of how it does not have to be a store, it could be just as well a package manager. Never said Homebrew was the be all end all of protection. There is no official malware vetting process to add to homebrew but this could easily be a part of a package manager that does not charge people. Apple is in a pickle on this one.
You clearly didn't understand the point I made. I'm sure Apple sells more Macs than ever before. I clearly mentioned that it's Apple's choice to do it the way they want. But they've lost a lot of their core audience that valued the durability, reliability, serviceability, upgradability, & repairability... which Apple offered for many years. Could a trillion-dollar Apple maintain a separate line of products for each audience? That's open for conjecture.
I see Apple making the same mistake in video games. Often, you have to respect what customers want instead of quoting Henry Ford.
I can understand that but equally it’s not fair to impose your restrictions on everyone else. If things do change you would still be able to continue using the Apple AppStore so any changes wouldn’t affect you. Equally others would be free to use a different non-Apple iOS AppStore if they wanted to in the same way they do on Mac now.
Yeah but who cares what Epic wants. I’d like to see third-party app stores, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Letting developers handle their own payments is reasonable, but Apple will fight that mercilessly.
I assume you live in the US where hospitals are private profit making enterprises. That is not the case in many other countries where hospitals are run as a not for profit public service.
It’s fine, malware is a risk I’m willing to take when I use a computer.
I’ve been using this “unacceptable” security level for decades and I was never a victim of ransomware, data theft or any other catastrophic scenarios.
macOS is perfectly fine the way it is right now, if you’re not tech savvy don’t install non-notarized, non-App Store software and keep GateKeeper on and you’ll be fine.
I’ve been using this “unacceptable” security level for decades and I was never a victim of ransomware, data theft or any other catastrophic scenarios.
macOS is perfectly fine the way it is right now, if you’re not tech savvy don’t install non-notarized, non-App Store software and keep GateKeeper on and you’ll be fine.
I'd be ok with Apple letting apps process their own payments, as long as they supported Apple's payment option, I don't want or trust giving my credit card details to anyone other than Apple.
I don't see why this is an issue if it's opt-in. Let people that want their walled garden keep it, let those that want out, out.
Apple is supposed to be really good letting consumers make decisions on privacy matters. Why is this one a nut they can't crack?
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Apple is supposed to be really good letting consumers make decisions on privacy matters. Why is this one a nut they can't crack?
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