I'm going to let everyone else beta test the X for me and then pick one up when the plus model comes out in 1-2 years when most of the kinks have been worked out.
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Apple's Craig Federighi: Uncertainty About Face ID Will 'Melt Away' Once People Get iPhone X
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I have to believe that people who likes faceid over Touch ID are either construction workers or high level apple executives, for whom the only times they check their iPhones are when they take them out of their pockets.
[doublepost=1505542202][/doublepost]Picking up an iPhone or thrusting your head and face forward literally requires 438 time the amount of effort it takes to move an index finger horizontally 3.5 inches. Now try repeating that a hundred times a day
[doublepost=1505542202][/doublepost]Picking up an iPhone or thrusting your head and face forward literally requires 438 time the amount of effort it takes to move an index finger horizontally 3.5 inches. Now try repeating that a hundred times a day
I'm sure it will be very good, but I don't believe it will be better than Touch ID. They got rid of Touch ID not because there was anything wrong with it at all, but only because they were eliminating the home button for the bezel-less design and couldn't figure out how to put it under the screen.
Maybe I’m just cursed but Touch ID also only has about a 60% success rate for me on first try. So I’m more than willing to try Face ID and see if it works better. I realize that’s the minority. It seems like just for some people it doesn’t work well while for others it doesn’t work well.
For those at a desk, I’d recommend a phone stand. I see quite a few people at my work use them and there’s quite a few that have built in Qi charging. Could be a good option. Great angle for your Face ID, charged the phone wirelessly and it’s a better angle to see the screen anyways.
That may work for a very small minority of desk workers, who are not supervised by anyone but themselves. But for the majority of desk workers, we have to use our phones as inconspicuously as possible, not putting a target on our back with an cellphone stand.
you have to pick up your phone if you need it...so step 1 is needed,or you want to unlocked your iphone in your pants or on the table?!
Huh? Why do you have to pick up your phone. I answer messages and check the news for hours on end at my job without ever lifting the phone off the desk. some days my phone are off the table just twice a day: when I go to lunch and when I go home.
I always hear about these robbery scenarios.
But what happens after they steal your phone?
Sure... the muggers may get you to unlock your phone with a fingerprint or with your face. That's easy enough. But that only lasts as long as the phone is awake. Once the phone goes to sleep... your passcode is required (or your fingers or face again)
Do the muggers plan to keep your phone awake indefinitely? Or do the muggers ask for your passcode too? Before they steal your phone?
While they're at it... the muggers should also ask for your AppleID and password... or else the phone will be worthless due to Activation Lock. If my phone was stolen... I would disable the phone remotely as soon as I could.
It just seems like all these ideas of "muggers making you unlock your phone" only talk about the first step of separating the phone from the owners.
No one talks about what the muggers do with your phone after the initial robbery.
That's some bad maths for Christ sake. If touch ID is only good once out of 50,000 times then if Apple combined their technologies touch ID would still be only be good 1 out of 50.000 times. Adding something or different ways of doing things isn't going to make things better.
Also you would combine the two systems. So 1 out of 50,000 plus one out of a million. Why are you multiplying the two things together? Just so you get a big dumb number?
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I can’t speak for the majority or minority of users. Of all my desk jobs including my current, I have several managers but am allowed a phone at my desk and my experience is the same as my friends at other jobs. Just depends and throwing out options that people haven’t considered instead of putting up the blinders like some seem to have done.
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I always hear about these robbery scenarios.
But what happens after they steal your phone?
Sure... the muggers may get you to unlock your phone with a fingerprint or with your face. That's easy enough. But that only lasts as long as the phone is awake. Once the phone goes to sleep... your passcode is required (or your fingers or face again)
Do the muggers plan to keep your phone awake indefinitely? Or do the muggers ask for your passcode too? Before they steal your phone?
While they're at it... the muggers should also ask for your AppleID and password... or else the phone will be worthless due to Activation Lock. If my phone was stolen... I would disable the phone remotely as soon as I could.
It just seems like all these ideas of "muggers making you unlock your phone" only talk about the first step of separating the phone from the owners.
No one talks about what the muggers do with your phone after the initial robbery.
Not to mention just unlock the damn phone. It’s a phone.... you can lock it remotely once they’re gone using iCloud. If they make you deactivate iCloud. It’s a phone.... you can get a different one.
i see.
at default settings, you'd be able to but yeah, there's an option to disable this.
with these smarter smartphones, we'll probably be seeing smarter voiceID soon.. and a 'hey siri' is likely to be much better at detecting your individual voice.. maybe not secure enough to unlock your entire phone but possibly enough for lower level security needs such as sending a text or making a call.
idk, maybe wait till 10.2
I am using “hey Siri, tell my wife I am on the way home” to text my wife. So the technology already here
Oh sure... I'm not gonna risk death from arguing with a mugger. I will give him my phone.
I was just thinking about it from the point of the mugger. You can make someone unlock their phone... but there's more to it afterwards.
Thieves must know that iPhones have things like Activation Lock and whatever. Do they just steal them for parts?
really, i cant read or type easy if my phone is on my desk at over half of metre away. remember you can do exact the same at this distance https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/unnamed-800x534.jpg
Could be cool if you have you finger resting on the screen when face id does its thing then it goes right to home screen. If you tap let go and face id does it's thing it takes you to notifications etc
The small difference is that if Touch ID didn't work as planned, there was always the good old pass code which people were used to. Workflow was always press home button first before entering a pass code. So if it unlocked in that first interaction, great. Else fallback was what was status quo.
With face Id, if it doesn't work as intended, alternative is the primitive pass code. Even if it does work, there are several use cases where Touch ID is better.
If they manage to get the in--the-screen Touch ID working like the current one, people will revert to that over face Id. Except for the wet finger use case. Face id can still exist for dual authentication during payments.
I agree that FaceID will get better over time... most things do. But it is not as good in more use cases than its better, so no matter how good it gets, its a step back... and will have to go through the learning curve and improvements. Apple should have added it to the device, and kept TouchID. I agree they'll probably add TouchID back because of the fact that it handles some cases better.
Um, no. And has everything they've produced been perfect an magical? Heck no. "You are holding it wrong" is going to be replayed once people start using FaceID.
Correct. And if you add in the step 1... picking it up... you are still much better than FaceID. My iPhone stays in my pocket. I can have it unlocked before its out of my pocket and then choose whether I want to hold it up in front of my face like I'm taking a selfie or not. Often I don't raise it higher than my lap, and after I see what I need its back in my pocket. FaceID will not work for that. In fact, the only time I lift my phone up in front of my face is if I'm taking a selfie. With the X you will be doing that every time you unlock your phone. Not better than TouchID. The only case its better is if your hands are wet or sweaty. They should have kept TouchID and added FaceID.
I asked Gruber why he didn’t ask Craig about the notch and he said because design isn’t Craig’s domain. I’m sorry that’s BS. This isn’t like switching from aluminum to glass or stainless steel. Of course software engineering was involved in updating iOS to accommodate the notch and no home button. Are we really to believe Craig had no input and designers just threw over the phone and said “ok software engineering, update iOS for this”? BS. Heck Craig’s bio on Apple’s website says he’s responsible for Apple software “including the user interface”. Also you don’t think Phil’s product marketing team is responsible for what we see on apple.com? The notch is shown everywhere.
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Expect it to grow / go vertical (like the cam bulb)
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I guess Craig wouldn't like it (he's quite sensible) but got overridden by Joni.
Same for those insane round screen corners
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If you can fool them, then is 1:1. What they are saying is, that it is 1 : 50.000 that a random person would unlock it.
I would assume that the head of software would have some valuable insights into the behavior of said software on the engineered hardware. Like "how do we wrap around the notch or should we do that at all".
I think face id is extremely awkward and will last only a couple of years. Perhaps there will be some sort of
on screen touch id? It will certainly be interesting if this proves an unpopular feature
on screen touch id? It will certainly be interesting if this proves an unpopular feature
As part of the 30.000 calculations per second, the analysis should be sensible enough to detect your stressed face expression and keep the phone locked.
I would suggest more actions dependent on the stress level:
1. call 911
2. start iPhone tracking via iCloud
3. Wipe phone
4. Self destruct phone
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I could buy that Apple PR told Gruber you get 30 minutes to talk about Face ID but not design isn’t Craig’s domain. The notch impacts how the software works some of the changes which Craig demoed on stage. Also if you look at Gruber’s show notes for the podcast it says what Craig is on the show to talk about and one of the items is “Apple’s approach to designing the iPhone X”.
It's called marketing and every large and established company selling consumer products has a "trademark" shtick they use to flog their wares.
You are obviously not a troll or someone who gets emotionally involved denigrating or defending purveyors of consumer electronics...so go right ahead and carefully research every Apple product release dating back to 1984 and check how often "perfect" and "magical" are used. Then come back here and report your findings. Tip: Use colorful graphs and pie charts to present the data visually!
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