Apple's Dan Riccio Says 2018 iPad Pro 'Meets or Exceeds' Quality Standards of Design and Precision, More Info to Come

[I7guy]

Funny you say that , and how do you come to that conclusion ? cause Apple and non Apple fans are laughing at the Apple statement , this is anything but subjective conclusion , but verging on delusional .

I think we are in an age where facts in fact don’t matter ..... it’s About feeling

I think we are in an age where hyperbole and fake news rule. And to come to a logical conclusion all that is needed is one youtube video.

Let the apple fan do what they will, and apple detractor think what they want. We know we just think differently.

 

[SeattleMoose]

"Apple was quiet on the issue until this week, when the company told The Verge that the bending is a side effect of the manufacturing process and not a defect that impacts iPad performance"

The requirement from the design department was NOT to bend. A negative side effect of a defective process IS itself...a defect. Fix it, you have a great product. But at this price point there is no room to try and white wash "defects".

 

[ghanwani]

All good questions. I am wondering what the mindset was behind the decisions on these changes. Unfortunately, with Apple's recent behavior, I am inclined to think any changes were solely made with profit and aesthetics in mind rather than quality and durability. Which is why this particular episode is so offensive to me as a customer.

Each generation of products looks worse than the previous one, IMO. The 6th gen iPad is way more aesthetically pleasing compared to the new iPad Pros.

 

[ibridget]

I'd like someone to please go bend Tim Cook's ipad. Then let's see if he finds it "acceptable".

 

[Shiro_Simba]

I think we are in an age where hyperbole and fake news rule. And to come to a logical conclusion all that is needed is one youtube video.

Let the apple fan do what they will, and apple detractor think what they want. We know we just think differently.

Yeah - nailed it .

 

[trip1ex]

who cares. return it if you got one and it is bent and affects what you do or you can't stand it.

 

[atlatnesiti]

So when it's normal like Apple wrote, then i don't wanna buy another iPad anymore and the next one will be an Surface.

Good luck with MS OS ✌️
Bye,bye...

 

[ghanwani]

who cares. return it if you got one and it is bent and affects what you do with it or you can't stand it.

Not all stores accept returns. Most accept returns for defective product, but in this case Apple says it's not a defect.

 

[myrtlebee]

Each generation of products looks worse than the previous one, IMO. The 6th gen iPad is way more aesthetically pleasing compared to the new iPad Pros.

I think it would be great to have the iPad 2's basic design of the aluminum case with the new Pro's bezels and screen. I understand they can't because of the pencil, but that would be one nice looking and sturdy iPad.

 

[trip1ex]

Not all stores accept returns. Most accept returns for defective product, but in this case Apple says it's not a defect.

lol name the stores. Name the place that won't accept a return for no reason?

Then I will name the other 99.9% of stores that do. Non-issue.

Return it if you hate it.

 

[iMEric984]

Who buys these things anyway?

They're incapable of truly replacing a laptop and they're only marginally better than any other run of the mill tablet. You don't get a file browser, you can't connect devices to it, you can't connect headphones to it (unless DONGLES!), and for any audio pro Apple suggests wireless which has latency which negates being a pro.... AND it's stupidly expensive. Any task on this is just a dreadfully gimped experience of a proper laptop/desktop.

Apple's throwing this at consumers when they should be focusing on making great desktops. It's funny how everyone forgot about their tablets after the novelty of them wore off; real work is done on a computer and the same tasks on a tablet can be done (and them some given cellular service) on your PHONE that's on you at all times anyway.

My god... what a useless product and despite all this, there's people buying them that's causing THIS ultimately pointless problem? Wow.

There isn’t anyone else out right now in the industry that makes a tablet that has nearly the power of the beastly chipset A12X.
While people complain about what it lacks, and be negative. How about look at everything it can do. Yeah it doesn’t have a mouse support. We know android ones can do that. The integration between software and hardware is unmatched. I agree Apple did make it too thin and it’s obviously prone to bending.
Let’s not down the whole iPad over a design problem.

 

[9081094]

Link please....prove what you say.

Apple is too vague (as expected) to tell what type of aluminum is used in their iPad Pro, only found this:

https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/ipad/iPadPro_10.5-inch_PER_June2017.pdf

But my bet it’s the cheapest class of aluminum sold as a premium.

 

[Abazigal]

Called it.

The Verge is garbage. They write some good articles, but I really have to take their Apple-related news with a huge chunk of salt. Nowhere in Apple's official statement does it say the bend is normal, but everyone saw their clickbait headline and don’t want to hear anything beyond that narrative. The click bait tech blogs always get to set the narrative, the anti-Apple crowd runs with it, the news cycle continues, and the blogs make tons of money.

And the best thing is that practically every other forum and news outlet just went on reposting the exact same article from Theverge, effectively perpetuating the same issue. 9to5Mac, Macrumours, Appleinsider, just to name a few.

Dan Riccio’s comments and promises of an official statement coming soon are being met with sarcasm and skepticism all over the place. Apple needs to stop giving these sites access.

If I were running Apple, The Verge would have been banned from all press events and interviews like 5 years ago.

 

[PastaPrimav]

Seems pretty straightforward. If it’s outside of the 400 microns it’s a defect and gets replaced I’d assume?

This is all that matters. Are any examples bending more than 400 microns? If not then this is another big nothing created by the media and the echo chamber of morons.

 

[9081094]

There isn’t anyone else out right now in the industry that makes a tablet that has nearly the power of the beastly chipset A12X.
While people complain about what it lacks, and be negative. How about look at everything it can do. Yeah it doesn’t have a mouse support. We know android ones can do that. The integration between software and hardware is unmatched. I agree Apple did make it too thin and it’s obviously prone to bending.
Let’s not down the whole iPad over a design problem.

I hate to spoil the positive party, but what use is a fast processor when a phone os is holding down the potential of it?

Integration between hard- and software is an area everyone is focusing on today. Apple isn’t the leader in that anymore but wants you to believe it is.

 

[Baymowe335]

I don’t think they should be this arrogant considering they’ve lost 400 billion in market cap recently.

Spoken like someone who has no idea how markets work.

Don't conflate this with the stock price decline of MANY companies and the overall market.
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I hate to spoil the positive party, but what use is a fast processor when a phone os is holding down the potential of it?

Integration between hard- and software is an area everyone is focusing on today. Apple isn’t the leader in that anymore but wants you to believe it is.

Please tell us the leader.

 

[Baymowe335]

Called it.

The Verge is garbage. They write some good articles, but I really have to take their Apple-related news with a huge chunk of salt. Nowhere in Apple's official statement does it say the bend is normal, but everyone saw their clickbait headline and don’t want to hear anything beyond that narrative. The click bait tech blogs always get to set the narrative, the anti-Apple crowd runs with it, the news cycle continues, and the blogs make tons of money.

And the best thing is that practically every other forum and news outlet just went on reposting the exact same article from Theverge, effectively perpetuating the same issue. 9to5Mac, Macrumours, Appleinsider, just to name a few.

Dan Riccio’s comments and promises of an official statement coming soon are being met with sarcasm and skepticism all over the place. Apple needs to stop giving these sites access.

If I were running Apple, The Verge would have been banned from all press events and interviews like 5 years ago.

Completely agree. That's what I originally said I wanted to see the FULL context of the comment/interview and understand what they said without media spin.

 

[sracer]

That is the problem with modern journalism - click bait first . Facts don’t matter

That may be true in other incidents, but looking at threads here on Macrumors you'll see photos of iPads bowed straight out of the box.

 

[9081094]

Please tell us the leader.

Well, you may not like the answer but you’ve to give credit where credit is due. Microsoft.
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How much is Samsung or Google paying you to be negative where there is nothing to be negative? You do think there is someone else that is the "leader in software and hardware integreation." Total LOL.

I do it for free and as a service... something hard to imagine in an Apple world where even words comes as a price

 

[KPandian1]

Called it.

The Verge is garbage.

And the best thing is that practically every other forum and news outlet just went on reposting the exact same article from Theverge, effectively perpetuating the same issue. 9to5Mac, Macrumours, Appleinsider, just to name a few.

If I were running Apple, The Verge would have been banned from all press events and interviews like 5 years ago.

Where can we see Dan Riccio’s statement, if the Verge article is "not true"? Every article in most sites about this sources the statement to the Verge.

 

[ghanwani]

lol name the stores. Name the place that won't accept a return for no reason?

Then I will name the other 99.9% of stores that do. Non-issue.

Return it if you hate it.

I don't know why I'm responding, but what the heck, let's have some fun. Here are two that are often listed by MR:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/ReturnExchange.jsp

Nonreturnable Items

• Opened computers and computer software — original packaging cannot be unsealed

https://www.adorama.com/help/returnpolicy

Following items cannot be returned once opened

Software, Film, Paper, DVDs, Bulbs, flash tubes, Batteries, Ink cartridges, Notebooks, Netbooks, Tablets, iPads and Computers, Memory cards, any item which has been removed from its "blister-pack".

Now feel free to humor me by listing the 1,998 stores that do accept returns.

 

[Baymowe335]

Microsoft.

LOL!!!! Now I know you're joking.
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I don't know why I'm responding, but what the heck, let's have some fun. Here are two that are often listed by MR:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/ReturnExchange.jsp


https://www.adorama.com/help/returnpolicy


Now feel free to humor me by listing the 1,998 stores that do accept returns.

You new at this? Both stores are authorized retailers.

Simply take your bent iPad to an Apple store and they'll replace it. Guaranteed. Show me a bent iPad Apple refused to replace.

 

[bsimpsen]

Remember, critical thinking/abstract thinking begins at an IQ of ~110

Citation please?

https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/07/21/why-some-smart-people-make-foolish-decisions/

 

[Baymowe335]

Where can we see Dan Riccio’s statement, if the Verge article is "not true"? Every article in most sites about this sources the statement to the Verge.

Where does it say Apple won't replace it if it's bent more than 400 microns?

 

[Abazigal]

Who buys these things anyway?

They're incapable of truly replacing a laptop and they're only marginally better than any other run of the mill tablet. You don't get a file browser, you can't connect devices to it, you can't connect headphones to it (unless DONGLES!), and for any audio pro Apple suggests wireless which has latency which negates being a pro.... AND it's stupidly expensive. Any task on this is just a dreadfully gimped experience of a proper laptop/desktop.

Apple's throwing this at consumers when they should be focusing on making great desktops. It's funny how everyone forgot about their tablets after the novelty of them wore off; real work is done on a computer and the same tasks on a tablet can be done (and them some given cellular service) on your PHONE that's on you at all times anyway.

My god... what a useless product and despite all this, there's people buying them that's causing THIS ultimately pointless problem? Wow.

There's been plenty of examples on the Internet this past month of people using their iPads meaningfully for work.

In all these cases, the limitations you stated are either non-issues or haven't been enough to negatively impact the overall experience. Or in some cases, what the pros consider to be limitations, they consider to be strengths.

We have a girl who used an iPad Pro to illustrate a book. She likes that apps like procreate are more immersive and less complicated than their desktop equivalents, making the drawing experience a lot less intimidating and distracting.

https://the-ipad-artist.com/dear-tim-cook-abc3fbffba1b

Here's how one guy uses his iPad to record his own screencasts using screen recording and lumafusion. It's definitely something I will be looking at trying out (again) for 2019.

http://teddysvoronos.com/2018/12/04/producing-recording-editing-and-sharing-animated-videos-on-ipad/

Of course, there's Austin Mann using his iPad for editing photos, and he particularly loves the portability, even as he agrees that file management could use some improvement, but the other strengths of his setup offsets the con.

http://austinmann.com/trek/ipad-pro-photographer-iceland

Jonathan Morrison has shared his thoughts about editing on an iPad on YouTube, and even admitted online that he is open to using an iPad for editing on the move in future. We will see how that pans out.

Henny the Bizness shares on how he uses his iPad to create music.

And of course, Macstories using iPads for writing.
https://www.macstories.net/stories/my-must-have-ios-apps-2018-edition/

Just a few that come to mind off-hand.

I am not saying that everyone should start throwing out their iMac Pros and switch to iPads, but it's not entirely accurate to say that the iPad can't be used to work. Yes, lots of areas still can use improvement, while certain tasks remain flat-out impossible, but if you keep waiting for all the blocks to fall into place before starting, no progress can ever be made.

The foundation is there already. I believe that at this point, the people who claim that an iPad can't be used for any sort of work whatsoever say more about themselves than about the limitations of the iPad.