They stated precisely what their standard is... 400 microns. That's pretty good.
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Apple's Dan Riccio Says 2018 iPad Pro 'Meets or Exceeds' Quality Standards of Design and Precision, More Info to Come
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They stated precisely what their standard is... 400 microns. That's pretty good.
And as I mentioned above, some users have learnt to work around them.
For me, I save my work-related files in dropbox, and sync them to my iPad via the documents app. So effectively, dropbox is my file manager, where I access the files I need. And you know how many times I have needed to connect a thumb drive to my iPad since I got my first one in 2012? Zero.
I find that in my case, the pros of the iPad more than outweighs the drawbacks, and I am wiling to either put up with them, or find ways of working around them.
The point is apparently they accepted greater than a 400 micron difference in previous generations but no one complained about “bent iPads” before. And The Verge was playing fast and loose with the facts in how they reported Apple’s comments. No wonder the press has no credibility anymore.Damn, Apple. Here I was teaching the kids that the minimum of three points constitutes a plane, as that was what they taught me! To graph it, we had to prove four points on a plane!
The iPad is 441.97 sq. cm (68.37 sq. inches) in area - Apple can't make this a flat/plane surface?
A 400 micron/micrometer deviation/gradient in 24.76 cm is acceptable parameters in a high-tech 21st Century manufacturing corporation? The acceptable deviation is 0 microns, as these are computer generated machined products.
Hey, I did not bring microns in the discussion. That starts from an "alleged" Dan Riccio statement.
That was on a much thicker block of machined aluminum slab.
I'm just having fun here with the metric system
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Have you seen the latest benchmarks on the A12X? They beat the i5/i7 on many tests. As for a “real” OS, that adds a lot of baggage, as well.
I remember in the first half of the year, when cynicism about sales of the iPhone X was at an all time high. Samsung only had to release a statement reporting that sales of their OLED screens were down, and everyone here practically jumped to conclusions that the iPhone X was not sell well. Which in turn led to tons of criticisms over its price, and everyone was convinced that Apple had lost its way.
As it turned out, sales of OLED screens were down due to sales of Samsung's own phones dropping, while the iPhone X would go on to do very well in sales, resulting in another record quarter for Apple.
This is just one of numerous incidents I have seen where the haters have been wrong about Apple, yet when the truth is out, I don't see them pausing to reflect about what it is they got wrong, why they got it wrong, and what they could learn from the incident. Instead, they simply double down and move on to find a negative spin on the next piece of Apple news.
What I am seeing here is how easy it is to weaponise negative emotions towards Apple. The problem isn't that Apple is somehow beyond reproach, but that more often than not, the critics are falling over themselves to be the first to hate on Apple, often irrationally.
Just look at the latest news regarding the iPad Pro. When news from TheVerge first broke out, everyone basically went on to repost this article and treat it as gospel, without bothering to give it a second thought or question the source. You are all so eager to believe the worst in Apple that nobody even stops to think critically or rationally anymore. It's just hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
And as it turns out, what TheVerge ended up reporting on was completely different from the official press statement which Apple will be releasing in due time. TheVerge played on all your emotions for clicks and ad revenue, and you all fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
Seriously. Just look at yourselves. All of you.
You can return it even if it's within this standard. That's why Apple's position on this is so incredible -- they should simply emphasize that their return policy applies for any reason, including any concerns over this issue.
So, have you found the "real" statement by this Dan Riccio person? I have looked high and low, so far no ring. Where is it?
The "statement" not withstanding, this iPad Pro has issues if it comes in the box with a bend. Enough people have posted about the iPad Pro without relying on that "interview".
The bending issue is not seen on the 10.5" iPad Pro, which has its own screen issues (I have evidence).
But then, Apple is not iPad at all - it is more an iPhone based services company. This issue is not the reason for the current $744 billion status; I doubt it contributes anything when compared to the other products.
But aren’t most tech stocks down this sort of amount- sign of a big crash my friend says who closely follows such things ( sorry off topic but adding some context)
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...1/business/nasdaq-stocks-bear-market.amp.html
No. Greed has no limits. That's the whole problem.
Patience does however. Ours. We'll stop buying like you say, and Apple will fall.
The story with AAPL seems to be slightly different, compared to the AMZN, GOOG or NFLX. That a company can be stable independent of the apparent Bear market is seen in other stocks, especially TSLA. While the tech collapse had supposedly started in August, Apple hit its peak just 6-7 weeks ago on October 3rd; since then it collapsed by ~36%, something I don't remember ever seeing. Rest of the tech stocks, about 20%. For the overall 52-week period, AAPL has not done that bad - only $25 down, inline with the rest of the tech vs the $83 in the last few weeks.
I won't predict any gloom or bloom based on these (or general) stock movements - if I could, I'd have become a multimillionaire ten years ago.
There was an "Irrational Exuberance" in the stock market over the last 15+ months, the boom having nothing to do with the earnings/performance, but more from politics, tax breaks and book-adjustments. Apple was booming even before that surge, and I can't understand its recent collapse.
I did read the NYT article yesterday, especially because of its front page position and ominous headline. Left me with no clear answers. Add the current USA government shenanigans, it is going to be rocky. My portfolio is well spread, and in spite of cashing a few at the peak, I'm down about 20% in the last 5 months or less.
Confusing - just long-term focus now.
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The "independent tests" should occur before they go public with a product.
The concept of Alpha and Beta tests of a product (Hardware) before unleashing it to the consumer seems to be lost in the Apple R&D/marketing team these days.
Maybe they should not focus on a new chip every year, focus on making the product better in the second year. I don't mind using the A11 chip in my 2018 iPhone!
Surely there should be a UL or IEC standard ? Amazed there isn’t a minimum strength requirement. Ok maybe not a safety concern but a consumer protection issue
Like the IP ratings on water and dust ingres
Like the IP ratings on water and dust ingres
Haha, you think if we hit Tim up we could get pre-cracked screens to go with it? /s
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So where are your pictures of your perfectly flat device? That I guess do not exist.
It took until page 3 for most commenters to understand the response. Pretty hilarious. 400 microns is the tolerance, most people’s visibly bent iPads are outside that, therefore they should get them replaced.
The "bowed or curved" iPad Pro is not the headless horseman - pictures have been posted already here.
I am waiting for an unboxing video that stumbles on these bent iPads that Apple admits it has shipped - for $1000 and more each.
We all know they will (be forced) to revert. I cannot understand that nobody at Apple expects these - let's call them ideas - to be taken as affront against the customers. This is marketing and since they spend an awful lot of money on it (instead of developing as Jobs used to do), they should get the boot for issues statements like this. It is a production error, it wasn't designed to be that way. And what annoys me even more is that it annoys me and I really shouldn't care about stupid stuff like that, but there I went, spending time on it. (sigh)
Stock hit $149 Friday. Down 36 % in the last few weeks.
Good! Their arrogance and greed has reached new highs - they certainly need a slap in their face.
Good! Their arrogance and greed has reached new highs - they certainly need a slap in their face.
I can say a simple NO ... COOK is a political person to be nice ... nothing apple fans ever wanted to be!
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Sitting on the phone is one of the most standard use cases, if You don’t know that ... are You even go out or have friends?
Sitting on a laptop happens more seldom but easily when in a backpack
Please everyone...........
I'm sure the vast majority of people here are good, bright, intelligent people with a high degree of common sense and understanding.
Think about this if you were in Apple's shoes, doing damage avoidance regards the public and media.
What would you really do as a company. Say "Sorry, we messed up this product, next year well make a better one"
Or would you come up with some story about tolerancing, previous models, 400 micron (which is less than half a mm)
and come up with some story to try lay the dust, and quietly replace bag models.
They are doing and saying exactly what you expect. The PR people are doing their job, and trying to limit damage, the engineer/designers are getting a shouting at to be dam sure this is addressed in the next model.
It's all going as you would expect from a very large company.
Only something physically dangerous would mean they would have to open up fully and handle this differently.
I'm sure the vast majority of people here are good, bright, intelligent people with a high degree of common sense and understanding.
Think about this if you were in Apple's shoes, doing damage avoidance regards the public and media.
What would you really do as a company. Say "Sorry, we messed up this product, next year well make a better one"
Or would you come up with some story about tolerancing, previous models, 400 micron (which is less than half a mm)
and come up with some story to try lay the dust, and quietly replace bag models.
They are doing and saying exactly what you expect. The PR people are doing their job, and trying to limit damage, the engineer/designers are getting a shouting at to be dam sure this is addressed in the next model.
It's all going as you would expect from a very large company.
Only something physically dangerous would mean they would have to open up fully and handle this differently.