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It's so sad. Ive used to be a good designer. The original iMacs, the original iBooks, the PowerBook G3, the G3 tower - all great. ...
It also helped when he was part of a duo with Jobs, who kept pushing back, saying "no" at the right times. Think of a car that's perfect except the steering steers towards one side - a driver can hold the wheel to keep it going straight, but without that input, the car just runs into a ditch or grinds along the guardrails.

Sorry, probably read too many F1 comments just before this.
 
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Well, I doubt their interface design could get any worse so maybe something positive will come of this

I wonder if the COO is leaving because of the Liquid Glass disaster
 
I think the world has change and we've collectively moved to a point where society doesn't tolerate abusive "rockstar" bosses anymore.

There's probably a reason why Forstall hasn't really worked anywhere else outside of an advisory role since he was fired from Apple. Everyone at Apple hated him, to the point where other executives refused meetings that he'd be in attendance at.
Yikes. Why was he so horrible to work with?
 
Wait wait wait, is it correct since 2022 there is no chief designer at Apple?!

Oh god, that explains everything. No wonder the UI has been so bad. They made some weird, awkward decisions before that time (like cluttering the toolbar, title bar, and window buttons and forcing the green button to work as go full screen) and the Big Sur redesign brought some real issues (their obsession with removing and hiding buttons and features) but they’ve truly felt monstrously inept and it just seems to get worse every year

A team needs a leader. A UI team needs a leader with good taste and a good eye. And that leader needs to be focused on what benefits customers.

Most importantly, a team needs someone to provide direction and say no to insanely bad ideas like Liquid Glass

Liquid Glass never would’ve passed the drawing board with a competent team. We’ve already learned all the lessons about legibility and readability in translucent designs with Aqua. The fact that they did it all over again shows an institutional failure to learn from the past as well as a failure to consider actual users and accessibility
 
After “managing” a small design team for almost 17 years, I can tell you that Tim Cook’s management style and expertise is incompatible with creatives and is. It isn’t going to go well at all. Expect an exodus of top talent designers soon thereafter.

Can you expand on that?
 
It's already in production. The design is final. They'd have to scrap months of production to change it now.

No, this garbage design is happening. No amount of money I could bet would come close to what Apple's already bet on it.

Our best hope to get rid of this bad design is to hope that this is the iPhone that flops.
TBF it's genius, a sure fire way of selling more cases, obviously got Tim's mitts all over it! 😂
 
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What can go wrong? putting the CFO to look after the design team? hahaha A guy that only cares about numbers and making more money... that will be the end of Apple as we know it.

Steve was a CEO with a mindset of a designer and creator, that why apple was always inovating year to year.... Tim is a financial guy, that only cares about numbers.
 
I think the world has change and we've collectively moved to a point where society doesn't tolerate abusive "rockstar" bosses anymore.

There's probably a reason why Forstall hasn't really worked anywhere else outside of an advisory role since he was fired from Apple. Everyone at Apple hated him, to the point where other executives refused meetings that he'd be in attendance at.
At least he had quality work to show for the “rockstar,” unlike the guitar wielding, parachute jumping, and fantasy F1 car driving Federighi. Not everyone was pleased with Scott’s departure, especially those that worked closely with him, as was mentioned in a number of Apple centric podcasts at the time. He was the most Steve like in the company. That is exactly what this clown show that is modern Apple needs. Ives was more abusive when given the reigns. It didn’t matter what department you were in, if he didn’t like it, it didn’t pass. He was out of his league touching software, but just don’t tell him that.
 
At this point I wasn’t the biggest Forestall fan, but he’d have way more of a clue than Tim Cook has. Tim lives in his own little bubble… He’s not a leader, he’s just a puppet for the shareholder that also don’t have a clue.
I actually disagree with this. Tim Cook was once asked by a larger shareholder at one of their quarterly meetings about short term profits and Tim said that if he wasn’t investing in Apple for the long game to sell his stocks and get out since Apple wasn’t the stock for him. That’s not pandering to stockholders.

Now, do I think he’s the right person to lead the design team? Hell no. I’m just hopeful this is a stop gap.
 
I actually disagree with this. Tim Cook was once asked by a larger shareholder at one of their quarterly meetings about short term profits and Tim said that if he wasn’t investing in Apple for the long game to sell his stocks and get out since Apple wasn’t the stock for him. That’s not pandering to stockholders.

Now, do I think he’s the right person to lead the design team? Hell no. I’m just hopeful this is a stop gap.
I respect your opinion. Problem is, Apple doesn't have a long-term pipeline to actually boost the stock. Hasn't Apple been around the same price for two and a half years? Shows you how little excitement is going on.
 
Liquid Glass never would’ve passed the drawing board with a competent team. We’ve already learned all the lessons about legibility and readability in translucent designs with Aqua. The fact that they did it all over again shows an institutional failure to learn from the past as well as a failure to consider actual users and accessibility
Even first year of design school would not allow this to pass. Basic legibility is a must in any project involving text.
 
Even first year of design school would not allow this to pass. Basic legibility is a must in any project involving text.
I think one of the bullet points in the design spec said "all text and icons must be legible", and someone made a totally silly transcription error and it came up "... must be illegible."

It's like camouflage - "look, we can make all the text fade into the background patterns! We'll totally nail that illegibility goal!"
 
Oh no… Tim Apple has zero sense of taste.
Well, he does play with the OTHER team, not that there is anything wrong with that :)

What else can they do with the look/feel of the hardware? What about that i4 15-anniversary leica edition? I would pre-pay for one as long as is not outrageous$$$.
 
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Apple desperately needs to develop and lead in AI, and revamp its operating systems and software.

Microsoft is so far ahead it’s ridiculous.

Both of these statements are beyond absurd. MS hasn’t been far ahead of anything since W95. To say they are crushing it is hilarious because they are taking heavy losses in gaming, they are irrelevant in console sales, and adding copilot to notes or windows search hasn’t revolutionized their OS, as shocking as it may be. Not that it matters because MS bread and butter is licensing anyway. So long as they control the space, the product itself can rot. And does. Look at Skype.

From Zune to Xbox to phones to just about anything they touch, it all goes to ****. How a company like that can be so far ahead is a mystery to be sure.

I also love AI boys talk like they even know what the hell it is or what value it can actually bring.

This is some raw doggin rage bait my man. Touché!
 
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