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Everyone complaining about him resigning is a special kind of pathetic in my opinion.

The beauty of being an adult is that you have the freedom to make your own choices. You get to choose your own relationships, you get to choose where you want to live, where you want to eat, who you want to vote for etc.

Naturally this extends to where you want to work.

You are free to end your employment for any reason at any time if you feel it is no longer worth it to you.

What is pathetic is people losing sleep over another man's choices of where to work. Like how is this thread even 36 pages long? Man quits job and Apple stans are mad and feel the need to tell the world just how mad they are lol.

I would say a lot of the argument is about people in this thread just loving working from home and can't see why some other people thinks 100% working from home decades after decades is abhorrent.

Some people even argue that the employer shouldn't be allowed to decide where and how their employees work. It's like reading Karl Marx and that workers should own the means of production.

And we shouldn't really care about Apple workers well being but how they can produce better products. If they can do that with unhappy employees, so be it.
 
It is clear there has been a huge productivity drop across so many sectors with working at home. It’s a tough trade off but most people will be returning to work because they are just not getting enough done.
It's not clear, since there have been extenuating circumstances to prompt all this work from home. There's being at home to work, and then there's being at home TRYING to work while a pandemic is happening: being your kids' caretaker and teacher, dealing with rushed-into-place work configurations, and actual health problems (and deaths; even if it's not the worker whose productivity is being measured, they might have been impacted by family or friend deaths). This and more has to be considered when trying to determine what an apparent productivity drop in some areas may or may NOT represent.

Studies show people are more productive in a WFH situation, people report being more productive in WFH, and one study referenced in this thread suggests brainstorming might be better in person, but that isn't what most people do when they are doing office work.
 
I would say a lot of the argument is about people in this thread just loving working from home and can't see why some other people thinks 100% working from home decades after decades is abhorrent.

Some people even argue that the employer shouldn't be allowed to decide where and how their employees work. It's like reading Karl Marx and that workers should own the means of production.

And we shouldn't really care about Apple workers well being but how they can produce better products. If they can do that with unhappy employees, so be it.

Nope.

People seem to take issue with the reason why this man quit. His current employment situation was no longer working for him and he made a choice to address that by moving on.

So the real question is... Why do some people feel he should he stay in a situation that is no longer working for him?

It seems flat out pathetic to me for people to care this much about a stranger's career choices.
 
These people make me laugh. We’ve had 2 years of people working from home and they’ve become lazy and spoiled. Before Covid no one even thought of it. Recess is over. Get up, get dressed, commute to work and do your job. Lunch is 45 mins with two 10 min breaks at 10 and 2:30. And no, you can’t watch judge Judy at your desk.
Before COVID no one even thought of it?? Have you not read this thread or been exposed to the outside world??

Innumerable people have already posted about how they, their coworkers, and people they know have been doing WFH for many years. A programmer friend of mine worked remotely for years and has since moved country because it has worked so well for him. My GF's ex has lived as a nomad, and he's a highly regarded programmer who has continuous work and never does any of it in anyone's office.

The difference after COVID19 is that now WAY MORE PEOPLE are aware of this option after living it, and discovering that it's WAY BETTER for them.
 
Nope.

People seem to take issue with the reason why this man quit. His current employment situation was no longer working for him and he made a choice to address that by moving on.

So the real question is... Why do some people feel he should he stay in a situation that is no longer working for him?

It seems flat out pathetic to me for people to care this much about a stranger's career choices.
It’s about the disassembly of apple, not any persons life choices. It’s about berating apple for being a tough And demanding company. It’s about apple being a soulless company. It’s about apple not kow-towing to the “demands” of the employees.
 
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It seems flat out pathetic to me for people to care this much about a stranger's career choices.
And it seems pathetic to me to try and portray a company’s arguably flexible, accommodating, phased-approach policy as anything but. But some of us just have to have our cake and to eat it, too, I suppose.
 
Late to the topic.

I will say what I think:

Some jobs require local presence more than others, still the idea of never meeting my own colleagues scares me somewhat.

I suppose I enjouy human contact.
Perfectly reasonable post. Thanks for sharing your personal viewpoint from an honest approach (instead of trying to make your preference be some kind of standard for the rest of the world like some of the people here).

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This can only happen in America 🤦‍♂️ People are working normally in my country for a long long time and nobody is complaining about it. In fact, people are more productive and disciplined at work.
You say that as if WFH = unproductive and undisciplined at work. There are many sources of data suggesting the exact opposite: people are more productive when working from home.
 
A loss is a loss. They had a massive loss in FY 2020 as well of $20 million.

If you lose your house in a fire, it's still a loss. I don't understand why people don't understand finance. Sure, you can throw a caveat that it was due to losses in Russia but they are real losses and they have to try to make back the losses of the past decade. Energy has been the worst performing sector in the S&P 500 for the past decade.

BP and Shell are not announcing record profits.

This is a chart of the Energy Select ETF. It's basically gone nowhere for the past decade.

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Here's a chart of Apple in the same period:

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There's much more to complain about Apple than oil companies. Those stock prices are even with oil companies borrowing huge amounts of money to pay dividends and do stock buybacks.

So all the news outlets are wrong then? As are Shell and BP who are posting their record profits, and no, I can assure you mate the majority couldn’t give a flying monkey about Apple, when they are paying £20 plus per tank of fuel more and £700 a year more for gas and electricity. Why are you apologising for their huge profits? Do you have shares in them? Some people are literally having to choose between eating or heating, and the government is warning rhe price cap will increase by another 45% at least in October which could be another £700 a year.

You should ignore the charts and read the Shell financial report:


One of the many news reports printing in black and white what I said:


Anyway this is off topic.
 
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Imo, companies that mass produce consumer oriented products and are doing well, is because they are firing on all cylinders. And while one may or may not like the current management, for their own reasons, it’s hard to argue with success.
Ok. I'm not a fan of Wall Street performance being the measure of success that matters. I care more about the actual products and employee satisfaction. I know, weird.
 

There's plenty more out there...

Lot's of computers with just a single CPU could only to one thing at a time just like the human brain. Yet, when they switched rapidly from task to task it was called multitasking even though only one instruction was executed at a single point in time.
 
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No one? Mine pays me just that and I work at home. And with outstanding performance reviews. Trust between employer and employee is a two way street.

Some cases might exist, maybe like you are a master programmer where you don't need to be in the office but suppose the following scenarios:-

-Architect that needs to meet with clients and be on the building site
-Lawyer that has to attend court and meet clients
-A store manager that has to guide/monitor his employees (how does that happen when every working from home?)
-A teacher that has to look over his students work say pottery, dissection of animals (or humans!), or car mechanics

Not every has the option to work from home. Others jobs do not personal presence like:-

-Proof reader
-accountant
-Phone Support
-Maybe graphic designer

But huge number of employees simply can not work from home like retail workers, factory workers, construction workers, hotel employees, hospital staff, flight attendants, cooks, the list goes on for the majority of the work force.

"Since the dawn of humanity"... yet you only go back as far as the 1950s? Look at pre-industrialization for some insights into human work history.

Even pre-industry people didn't work from home. Farmers in the farm, wood workers in the workshop, cooks in the kitchen, soldiers in the field, and bakers in bakeries. Only small fractions of jobs could be done at home, maybe like women (or men) sewing or knitting clothes at home.
 
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You also say that people might want to work from an office if they don't want to be home. Well, yeah. People would also like to be on antibiotics if they have a bacterial infection. Employers shouldn't be making policies based on possible domestic issues.
I don't remember making such a statement.

The craigslist thing was weird. It sounds like they wanted to look at cultural differences, but something happened.

I don't see anything about their profession that implies bias, but the lack of financial disclosure is concerning. The field data was collected as part of a voluntary (for employee) workshop, which implies but doesn't formally state a relationship with included businesses. The more troubling component was the laboratory compensation, as that has a substantial financial cost that justifies disclosure. I am surprised Nature doesn't have a blanket policy where all cash compensation requires disclosure in the conflict of interest section.
Thanks for your response on this.
 
Lot's of computers with just a single CPU could only to one thing at a time just like the human brain. Yet, when they switched rapidly from task to task it was called multitasking even though only one instruction was executed at a single point in time.

isn't multi-core literally multi-tasking where you have 2 cores or 4 doing 2 or 4 things at the exact same time? or does each core needs to wait for the other until its done?
 
Which is what I've already explained... We all have the freedom to make the choices that we feel are right for us.

This man wants to work remotely, it's nobody's business why. Maybe he wants to spend more time with his family, maybe he hates commuting, maybe he's lazy... Either way, he has made the choice that he felt suited him.

Now people are upset because a man that has choices of employment (and he does because he's well respected in his field) is exercising that choice?

This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen all week and it's Sunday. Imagine being this invested in the life choices of strangers lol.
Both men and women all over the world are in a similar situation. What Goodfellow did sets a precedent that encourages others to follow. No one cares why he wants to work from home. They care that the reason he left is something that many others are considering doing as well. It's called being relatable. For example, I don't care about Depp and Heard, but their case represents a struggle many men go through every day. People care because they see themselves or the people they love in the story.
 
Never said I did. However, his mainstream narrative thanks to websites like this, is a pouty, self entitled baby who doesn't respect his employers wish to return to work.[...]
🙄 Man, that crap is ALL on YOU. Thanks for your posting, though, since now everyone knows not to work for you.
 
Your comment is a prime example of "Wokeness". All about me, me, me. No respect for the guy giving you the cheque and having the business to allow your employment. Good luck with that mentality when your services are no longer required by anyone.
This was an employer and an employee negotiating terms; they didn't agree to terms, so the employee left. He's not beholden to his employee. Respect is irrelevant in this context. The pay and terms are either acceptable or they aren't. Employers get to fire anyone for [almost] any reason in most states in the USA, but employees ALSO have the right to leave their jobs for any reason. No one owes someone else for merely having a business.

Your complaint seems to be more about engaging in a culture war than it is about the actual subject matter of this discussion thread/article. It also sounds like you're projecting something into this guy that has nothing to do with him and possibly something to do with your own life experiences as a manager, boss, or small business owner.
 
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And it seems pathetic to me to try and portray a company’s arguably flexible, accommodating, phased-approach policy as anything but. But some of us just have to have our cake and to eat it, too, I suppose.

To me, this isn't really about Apple. This is about certain people taking offense to people's freedom to choose their own path.

Apple has set the bar that it expects its employees to meet; employees can either meet that bar or move on.

Some chose to meet that bar, Goodfellow chose to move on. Why this is an issue for strangers on the internet is the real story to me.

This is the question I want answered: Why do some people feel he should he stay in a situation that is no longer working for him?
 
I don't remember making such a statement.
I think I misunderstood you when I initially read your comment. I took something you said as wanting to go to the office because they don't enjoy being at home. My response was that it's not that they want to be at the office, but rather they don't want to be home, so the make an excuse for why they need to be there to do their job.
 
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It’s about the disassembly of apple, not any persons life choices. It’s about berating apple for being a tough And demanding company. It’s about apple being a soulless company. It’s about apple not kow-towing to the “demands” of the employees.

Did Goodfellow berate Apple? How so?
 
This guy is a rockstar:



Ian J. Goodfellow[1] (born 1985 or 1986) is a computer scientist, engineer, and executive, most noted for his work on artificial neural networks and deep learning. He was previously employed as a research scientist at Google Brain and director of machine learning at Apple and has made several important contributions to the field of deep learning including the invention of the generative adversarial network (GAN). Goodfellow wrote the chapter on deep learning in the most popular textbook in the field of artificial intelligence, Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach (used in more than 1,500 universities in 135 countries), as well as the textbook Deep Learning.[2]


Biography​

Goodfellow obtained his B.S. and M.S. in computer science from Stanford University under the supervision of Andrew Ng,[3] and his Ph.D. in machine learning from the Université de Montréal in April 2014, under the supervision of Yoshua Bengio (2018 ACM A.M. Turing Award for his work in deep learning) and Aaron Courville. His thesis is titled Deep learning of representations and its application to computer vision.[4][5] After graduation, Goodfellow joined Google as part of the Google Brain research team.[6] He then left Google to join the newly founded OpenAI research laboratory.[7][8] He returned to Google Research in March 2017.

Goodfellow is best known for inventing generative adversarial networks.[1] At Google, he developed a system enabling Google Maps to automatically transcribe addresses from photos taken by Street View cars[9][10] and demonstrated security vulnerabilities of machine learning systems.[11][12]

In 2017, Goodfellow was cited in MIT Technology Review's 35 Innovators Under 35.[13] In 2019, he was included in Foreign Policy's list of 100 Global Thinkers[14] and left Google and joined Apple as director of machine learning the Special Projects Group.[15][16] In April 2022 he resigned to protest Apple's plan to require in-person work for its employees.[17]
So yeah, not newsworthy at all, LOL 😆
 
So all the news outlets are wrong then? As are Shell and BP who are posting their record profits, and no, I can assure you mate the majority couldn’t give a flying monkey about Apple, when they are paying £20 plus per tank of fuel more and £700 a year more for gas and electricity. Why are you apologising for their huge profits? Do you have shares in them? Some people are literally having to choose between eating or heating, and the government is warning rhe price cap will increase by another 45% at least in October which could be another £700 a year.

You should ignore the charts and read the Shell financial report:


One of the many news reports printing in black and white what I said:


Anyway this is off topic.

BP's website where they report that they lost $20 Billion is wrong?

What is the job of the news sites? To report the facts or to generate clicks? What happens if BP reports incorrect information? They are answerable to the SEC.
 
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