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Irrespective of your personal viewpoint, this is about the ability to repair your devices.

Once you buy the device, you are free to do with it however you like. Apple is not stopping you from opening it. But requesting to make it easier to repair, thats another matter.

That's the problem here - there is no alternative to Apple. Android is not a platform I'd be willing to deal with for a whole ton of reasons so I'm stuck with Bitten Fruit whether I like it or not. And while I do agree that it is Apple's choice to some extent on how to design their devices there should be better laws protecting the consumer. Otherwise what's stopping them from programming in a complete device destruction the very same day your warranty ends? Right, absolutely nothing.

Life is about choices, supply and demand, you either buy what is being offered or keep your money. I personally hate the notch, and hate Android, so now I have to make a choice between iphone's notch or Android's OS.
 
Once you buy the device, you are free to do with it however you like. Apple is not stopping you from opening it. But requesting to make it easier to repair, thats another matter.

Apple is deliberately making it difficult to repair your devices 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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Shocked.

Shocked!

To see people downvoting posts that encourage recycling and devices that should be streamlined so that the manufacturer can easily recycle the materials into new products instead of being thrown into a landfill by a turd party repair man.

Actually not shocked because there will always be human scum out there who want to create as much dirt, filth and trash as possible in the name of FREEDOOOOOOOM
Ya we are scum.

This place is full of extremists. I am scum because I want to be able to upgrade/repair my own laptop?

There is absolutely no reason why someone can't properly recycle their laptop themselves. Are you that dependent upon others telling you what to do that you have to hand your device to Apple instead?

You want to know what's really unfortunate? Your thought process alone is enough reason to keep someone away from the Apple ecosystem. No one wants to be associated with that crap.

Entitled brat puppets is what I unfortunately run into whenever I stroll through the Apple store. I can literally just lean against a table and for 3 minutes watch how people act and it is pretty telling.

Literally toxic consumerism at its finest. From the clothes they wear to the device must have to have for no other reason than "my old device is crap because a new one came out".

Apple wants you though. Their shareholders do too. So keep telling me and others who want the right to repair that we are scum.
 
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Apple is deliberately making it difficult to repair your devices 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

yes, thats their choice. you also have the choice to stop buying from a company that makes it difficult to repair your device and buy from one that makes it easy to do so like Oppo maybe.
 
Apple is deliberately making it difficult to repair your devices 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
Or making it easier to build reliably en masse.

Depends on your perspective.

I'm no fan of things being difficult to repair, but in certain cases I can see why companies do it they do it the way they do.
 
Or making it easier to build reliably en masse.

Depends on your perspective.

I'm no fan of things being difficult to repair, but in certain cases I can see why companies do it they do it the way they do.
None of the things in the right to repair will inhibit what companies can do and/or design.
The basics on the pro-repair side simply wants companies to make schematics of their products available (they can charge for it, it's fine), and have the components available from the component makers (for purchase). Seems simple enough. None of that will infringe on any patents. Nobody can create an "iPhone" out of schematics and parts availability. Companies can still design things the way they are, nobody's preventing that.

Reality today is that companies are not making their schematics available, not even for purchase, to 3rd parties. And companies like Apple explicitly forced their components supply chain to not sell their components to other people. It's quite ridiculous if you stop and think about it.
 
Not really. Both require a skill and practice. I can’t do body work for crap but I can change my phones battery if Apple would sell me one
Yes really. Car parts are orders of magnitude larger with far greater fault tolerances as a result (among other differences). In this case size matters.
 
Yes really. Car parts are orders of magnitude larger with far greater fault tolerances as a result (among other differences). In this case size matters.
Ok. If you insist on being wrong. I’m fine with it. Enjoy the day.
 
The original Apple ran by an engineer Steve Wozniak encouraged right to repair and even provided schematics and firmware disassembly. The Apple now is run by an old creepy grinch driven by profit and disposability.

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Wozniak never ran Apple.
 
Except I’m not wrong. Car parts and mobile phone parts are vastly different sizes. That’s objective reality. You not liking that it’s true doesn’t make it any less true.
So what. Ones bigger than another. Both have a person trained in how to fix them. Either is hard. Takes education and experience.
 
Apple is deliberately making it difficult to repair your devices 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
Apple may be making devices that are more difficult to repair but that doesn’t mean the INTENT is to make them so. Engineering involves trade offs. For example making a device smaller or thinner is almost always going to reduce repairability or increase cost (or both). It’s not due to anything nefarious, it’s due to the laws of physics. Apple (and other device makers) have found that more customers prefer other priorities than repairability. More repairable smartphones DO exist but they aren’t very popular. Why? Because it involves trade offs such as size, durability, capability, etc that most people aren’t willing to make.

Forcing/requiring repairability, like many other regulations is going to have an impact on device design. Maybe it’s worth it, maybe it’s not, but any fair discussion has to acknowledge that point.
 
So what. Ones bigger than another. Both have a person trained in how to fix them. Either is hard. Takes education and experience.
Repairability is what. The ability, tools, skills, etc to work with tiny devices is not the same as it is to deal with cars. Pretending that laws which apply to repairability in automobiles can be applied equally to smartphones is just not logically sound. There are different considerations for each situation. There’s a reason the NHTSA (in the US) and other organizations that oversee motor vehicle safety standards don’t oversee smartphones. They are completely different domains of skill and knowledge.
 
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Repairability is what. The ability, tools, skills, etc to work with tiny devices is not the same as it is to deal with cars. Pretending that laws which apply to repairability in automobiles can be applied equally to smartphones is just not logically sound. There are different considerations for each situation. There’s a reason the NHTSA (in the US) and other organizations that oversee motor vehicle safety standards don’t oversee smartphones. They are completely different domains of skill and knowledge.
And they cell phone industry answers to different federal depts. key word is different. Both are easily done with Proper training.
 
Yeah, why do you think that happens? Because genuine parts are so easily available on the market let alone reasonably priced?
You literally just explained why we need the right to repair...
No, because good parts cost good money. here in Brazil a battery change is 450 reais, people want to pay 100.

If people get the choice, they will go for the cheapest. Them people will say "I changed the battery and my iPhone still won't last."
 
And they cell phone industry answers to different federal depts. key word is different. Both are easily done with Proper training.
No, no they are not “easily” done. There are real differences due to physics in how repairs can and are done for cars vs smartphones. As the original comment was about applying right to repair legislation for cars to smartphones ignoring those rather significant differences undermines the entire argument. Why is it you refuse to acknowledge the very simple fact that cars and smartphones are not alike? That there are non-trivial differences between them? It’s not a remotely controversial statement yet you seem bound and determined to argue against it.
 
No, because good parts cost good money. here in Brazil a battery change is 450 reais, people want to pay 100.

If people get the choice, they will go for the cheapest. Them people will say "I changed the battery and my iPhone still won't last."
Let's say Apple gets forced to supply the battery at 175 -which would be a reasonable amount- and then installations costs 75. So, you end up at 250. That's then the price for a proper part replacement. Currently this option doesn't even exist as parts are not supplied to the open market. People can either way still install cheaper batteries, but that's at the risk of the battery having lower capacity, lower life expectancy possibly less safety.

That said, batteries are just one of many example of R2R. The real issue are parts which are having a software lock so that 3rd party parts won't work (properly) or are not available in good quality at all, so you are forced to buy into Apples "repair" option, which often means getting an exchange unit and is priced above and beyond the actual cost -which are already higher than your local repair shop as explained below.
Since the manufacturer needs to guarantee certain standards they may not even be able to offer cost effective repairs, e.g. when changin a screen the average person would just remove the screen, remove the old glue a little and install the replacement one. Job done. Meanwhile the OEM thorougly cleans away the old glue, installs new seals and runs some diagnostics on the hardware, possibly calibrates the screen. As the owner of the phone you are probably not willing to pay for those services since you don't care if the phone is waterproof or the screen is 100% accurate to spec. You probably just want a new screen because the old one cracked.
 


There have been a number of reports about Right to Repair legislation across the United States, and an equal number of reports about the lengths that Apple has gone to in order to block new repair bills from becoming law.

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Bloomberg today shared a new Right to Repair piece that highlights how Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, and Google have worked to put a stop to laws that would require the tech companies to provide genuine repair parts and device schematics to independent repair shops.

In 2021 alone, 27 states have considered Right to Repair bills, but more than half of those have already been voted down or dismissed. Lobbyists and trade groups representing major tech companies have fought hard against them, with Apple specifically arguing that such laws could lead to device damage or consumers harming themselves when attempting to repair their devices.

In Washington, for example, Washington House of Representatives Democrat Mia Gregerson sponsored a Right to Repair measure that was fought by Microsoft, Google, Amazon, along with lobbyists representing Apple. "If you really want to know who was naughty-it was Apple," said Gregerson. Lobbyists said Apple would endorse repair programs at local colleges if the bill was dropped.

Apple has opposed bills in other states that include Colorado and Nevada. Independent repair shop owner Justin Millman said that he has a difficult time sourcing iPad screens, which are repairs that school kids often need. He claims that Apple opposes repair programs to get people to buy new devices.

"That's why Apple doesn't answer my emails," he said. "For them, it's just dollars and cents. They don't think about the person on the other side of the iPad."

As it fights Right to Repair bills, Apple has attempted to provide alternatives. Apple has launched a worldwide Independent Repair Program that's designed to provide repair shops that are not Authorized Apple Service Providers with genuine parts, tools, repair manuals, and diagnostics for performing out-of-warranty repairs on Apple devices.

The program is free, but repair providers must have an Apple-certified technician perform the repairs, which is a barrier to entry for some shops like Millman's. Even with this program, some parts, like iPad displays, are not provided, leaving Apple and AASPs as the only repair option.

Article Link: Apple's Efforts to Block 'Right to Repair' Laws Highlighted in New Report
Cutting ties with Apple after nearly 2 decades due to:
(i) last MBP became an un-portable laptop after battery diminished within 2 years
(ii) keyboard quality below par - so is OS (updates on the increase, doesn't seem to be as secure as it was)
(iii) going down the MS route of "insisting" apps - like AppleTV - which can't be removed (pet hate)
(iv) unfair treatment via the apple store for developers
(v) quality of Linux desktop today means no point in Apple existing. As for the phones - yes, great but so many alternatives out there - do I really need an iPhone? Not really, not if I'm honest with myself.
 
Yep, but, in case you did not read the article. Every one that provides phones now has the same policy, thanks to Apple. What are you gonna buy that is not Apple, Google, etc.?

One one company does it, its policy. When every company does it, there's a chance it's just reality.

An iPhone 13 isn't a beige box computer you can just swap the video card out of. parts are installed with crazy low error tolerances and several pieces (official screens are a big example and also what third parties predominantly complain about) have to go through calibration during install using extremely expensive equipment.
 
This topic always amazes me with how the public themselves will advocate against their own best interests, and in favor of the megacorp bilking them.

Who says the actual bills are in my best interests? They are promoted primarily by people who want to do repairs without proper tooling or training/certification.

These proposed measures are nowhere close to consistent. Across the wide variance of these bills there are mandates on what sort of tools can be required for a repair, level of training/experience necessary, and safety of the internals. Each of these lead to larger and heavier devices with less ingress protection from water and dust.

We have certifications for watchmakers, and repairing a phone is arguably more intricate. The question is why the repair trades proposing these bills are consistently arguing against any form of certification.
 
With the direction that M1 Macs are headed towards, it may not mean much for the right to repair movement. Having the permission to repair Apple products may be a moot point without the physical capabilities to do so.
 
This topic always amazes me with how the public themselves will advocate against their own best interests, and in favor of the megacorp bilking them.

IT'S A MACRUMORS THING.


There was a time when just talking about larger iPhone screens was BLASPHEMY to Steve Job's legacy.
I've been here so long, I've seen people defend the undefendable. From exploding iBook batteries, Antennagate ("Your Holding it the wrong way") and iPods without buttons- to Apple's crack down on porn and the Hackintosh community... The very same people who praised Apple for Touch-ID are the same people who praised them for removing it. The same people who praised MagSafe were the first to welcome it's death- then cheer on it's resurrection!


Here's a good one... I remember one guy defending Apple over a known flaw in the G5 where capacitors started falling off after a year or two and Apple was totally ignoring it. He wrote something to the effect of: "Exactly why do you think that Apple should recall these 3 year old iMacs? Did it ever occur to you to buy AppleCare?" Then like a month later, Apple did just and launched an "extended warranty" program and the same guy in the same exact thread was like: "That's why Apple's #1 is customer satisfaction!"

The same people are still here defending butterfly-keyboards and nonsense like non-removable media that ensures a MacBook won't live past 5 years. IT'S IN THIS SITE'S DNA. If Apple rolled out a "nanny" feature that prevented people from turning up the brightness too high, PEOPLE HERE WOULD LOVE IT.

In fact, I remember when YOU were a big proponent for Blu-Ray and people kept telling you stuff like "Go back to Windows" LOL
 
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