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Do you replace your car when the tires are worn out? Think of how much coolers lights could look if you couldn’t replace a bulb when it burns out and instead replaced the fixture?

Don’t give Apple any ideas for their rumored car :D

Things will be interesting when electric car batteries start failing after the warranty expires, and the car manufacturers tell customers they must replace the entire battery pack for $20,000

 
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Apple views their devices as "appliances". How many consumers are opening up their microwaves and flat-screen TVs? When they are not working correctly, how many take them in for repairs, or simply buy a new one?
I've had guys in to fix 2 different ovens and a dishwasher.
provide parts at some sort of wholesale price (which doesn't exist today since Apple doesn't sell parts let alone wholesale).
There is definitely a price for the subsystems distributed to genius bars because their national subsidiaries have to pay appropriate transfer prices. Depending exactly how Apple's business is structured, they might also need to charge transfer prices for the individual components too, though if not a simple way to handle that in right to repair legislation is to prohibit exclusive supply contracts for any part which the OEM doesn't supply at cost.
So „Lobbying“ is the first world term of every day bribery?
No, lobbying is when the recipients have remembered to legalise it first and bribery is when they've forgotten or when a lesser being tries to join in.

Computers and phones should have a mandatory minimum 3 year warranty as should appliances in the home.
At the very least, the statutory warranty for reasonable durability for consumer goods should last at least as long as the minimum time allowed by the taxman to fully depreciate the item if used for business purposes.

More importantly, anything designated as a consumable should be required to either be available at the OEM's cost price, have multiple independent suppliers or have complete published specifications plus whatever IP licences are required for third parties to produce it. Additionally, there should be an absolute ban on DRM or software locks of any kind on consumables unless they issued independently to anyone who asks, are used solely for safety certification, and no profit is made on approvals.
 
I would like the right to repair myself, but...

I still think its Apple's choice if they want to make their products repairable or not. If you don't like the product just don't buy it. I personally do not buy Mercedes or BMWs because I know how expensive they can be to repair, I would buy a toyota or Honda that can be much easier to fix by anyone for cheaper labour and cheaper spare parts.

That being said, yes it would be a waste of material, money, and hurts the environment if you can lengthen the life of anything with a simple cheap fix over throwing it all out over a $20 fix that could make run for another 2-3 years.
 
No, because then you’d be a fool to buy an iPhone when you have other options
The options are limited though, and it is unlikely to find one that ticks all boxes. Settling for the compromise where the pros outweigh the cons the most is a rational choice, and it does not mean one has to be happy with the cons.
 
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I personally do not buy Mercedes or BMWs because I know how expensive they can be to repair, I would buy a toyota or Honda that can be much easier to fix by anyone for cheaper labour and cheaper spare parts.

Irrespective of your personal viewpoint, this is about the ability to repair your devices.
 
Funny how people care about Right to Repair their old dusty androids when the software / security normally dies two years later.

Apple already supports devices for like 5+ years and lowers the price of previous models, If i busted my phone i'd just buy an SE for 350, or a used phone for 200-250.
 
I would like the right to repair myself, but...

I still think its Apple's choice if they want to make their products repairable or not. If you don't like the product just don't buy it. I personally do not buy Mercedes or BMWs because I know how expensive they can be to repair, I would buy a toyota or Honda that can be much easier to fix by anyone for cheaper labour and cheaper spare parts.

That being said, yes it would be a waste of material, money, and hurts the environment if you can lengthen the life of anything with a simple cheap fix over throwing it all out over a $20 fix that could make run for another 2-3 years.
That's the problem here - there is no alternative to Apple. Android is not a platform I'd be willing to deal with for a whole ton of reasons so I'm stuck with Bitten Fruit whether I like it or not. And while I do agree that it is Apple's choice to some extent on how to design their devices there should be better laws protecting the consumer. Otherwise what's stopping them from programming in a complete device destruction the very same day your warranty ends? Right, absolutely nothing.
 
So what? I honestly don’t care about the environment either, like billions and billions and billions of other people.

If people really cared about the environment they’d selflessly drop out of modern society and live naked in a treehouse.
But you don't claim to care about it... Neither do I.
 
What’s the alternative? Not own a smartphone? We are addicted to these bright battery filled candy bars and Apple knows it.
You do know there are other device brands besides Apple. Open the garden gate. It's beautiful on the other side.
 
Once I accidentally broke my iPad Pro 9.5" (1st gen) display.
I took it to the Apple Store and they told me my AppleCare had expire a month ago. :eek:
The Genius then talked to a Manager and in the end they honored it as it if was under AppleCare, I just happily paid the deductible, and got a replacement unit! 🥳
Once the soldered RAM on my MacBook Air died four days out of warranty. I took it to the Apple Store and they said it would be $500+ for a new motherboard and they’d have to send it away for the repair.
 
The original Apple ran by an engineer Steve Wozniak encouraged right to repair and even provided schematics and firmware disassembly. The Apple now is run by an old creepy grinch driven by profit and disposability.
Once the soldered RAM on my MacBook Air died four days out of warranty. I took it to the Apple Store and they said it would be $500+ for a new motherboard and they’d have to send it away for the repair.

Sorry to hear that. Did you try talking to a Manager or going to another Apple store?
 
And I agree with you that it seems “in this day and age you can just make any old crap up and state it as truth.” Explains why all these brainwashed people believe Trump about “The Big Lie” (I’m surprised the idiot didn’t insist on calling it “The Huge, So Huge You Wouldn’t Believe It Lie“).

Anyhow, good night.
Trump doesn't call it "The Big Lie," though he may believe it's true.
 
Why? Give an honest answer.
I did, in the post you quoted me for. AppleCare+ is the best protection plan in the industry. Apple's customer satisfaction rate is a cut above the rest of the competition and the ease and simplicity of AppleCare is a large factor in that super high satisfaction rate. Why jeopardize that? Why jeopardize customer's trust in Apple? And I am talking about the vast majority of Apple's customers, not the tinkering techies that peruse these forums (which probably accounts for a single digit user base.) Going to an unauthorized repair service with lesser customer service will not help their customer satisfaction rate.
 
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I did, in the post you quoted me for. AppleCare+ is the best protection plan in the industry. Apple's customer satisfaction rate is a cut above the rest of the competition and the ease and simplicity of AppleCare is a large factor in that super high satisfaction rate. Why jeopardize that? Why jeopardize customer's trust in Apple? And I am talking about the vast majority of Apple's customers, not the tinkering techies that peruse these forums. Going to an unauthorized repair service with lesser customer service will not help their customer satisfaction rate.
No, that's not for you to decide and neither you nor Apple have ANY right to think or force where and how consumers decide to fix their devices. You want to spend lots of money with Apple? Go ahead, that option will remain.

What makes you think you should have any say where others can go for repair?
 
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No, that's not for you to decide and neither you nor Apple have ANY right to think or force where and how consumers decide to fix their devices. You want to spend lots of money with Apple? Go ahead, that option will remain.

What makes you think you should have any say where others can go for repair?
You still haven't addressed Apple's high customer satisfaction rate and how AppleCare attributes to that.

LOL you're right. I don't have a say. Apple has that say and has already decided, and it has given them good results as well as to the VAST majority of their customers. You want to fix your device? It's a free market. You're welcome to any number of Android devices where you have free reign on how you'd like to repair it.
 
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I find it curious that opponents of Right To Repair claim that repairing creates more waste. As opposed to tossing and replacing the entire device?
Yes, it’s well established that it’s much better for Apple to recycle your device, which they do for free, than to have all the individual repair
That's the problem here - there is no alternative to Apple. Android is not a platform I'd be willing to deal with for a whole ton of reasons so I'm stuck with Bitten Fruit whether I like it or not. And while I do agree that it is Apple's choice to some extent on how to design their devices there should be better laws protecting the consumer. Otherwise what's stopping them from programming in a complete device destruction the very same day your warranty ends? Right, absolutely nothing.
LOL. What’s keeping them from doing that is the free market, supply and demand. If they did that who would buy an iPhone when they have dozens of other choices.

Thank you for illustrating how wrong it is to argue that the government can/should force Apple to adopt a whole new way of design, etc, jus to appear a tiny, tiny minority who can simply buy another brand if they want to. The rest of us don’t want to have to pay more and put up with inferior products just so .001% of folks can toyaround with their devices
 
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I did, in the post you quoted me for. AppleCare+ is the best protection plan in the industry. Apple's customer satisfaction rate is a cut above the rest of the competition and the ease and simplicity of AppleCare is a large factor in that super high satisfaction rate. Why jeopardize that? Why jeopardize customer's trust in Apple? And I am talking about the vast majority of Apple's customers, not the tinkering techies that peruse these forums (which probably accounts for a single digit user base.) Going to an unauthorized repair service with lesser customer service will not help their customer satisfaction rate.
Actually apple care is not at all the best. My credit card plan is free and covers more than apple care for a longer period. AppleCare is just another money grab for the uneducated and lemmings.
 
That’s not the problem. The problem is nobody can get the official parts needed for repair other than Apple themselves. Most devices going to 3rd party repairers are out of warranty devices anyway, or the customers don’t have access to an Apple store (eg. My country). So you’d rather people using fake parts rather than genuine Apple parts? Apple literally forced the component makers to not sell the components to anybody else other than Apple.

No wonder there are so many fake Apple parts from China. Apple created that market by not making their official parts available.
So how long should Apple produce repair parts? 2 generations at the most I feel is appropriate, they shouldn’t have to support a 5 year old phone
 
You still haven't addressed Apple's high customer satisfaction rate and how AppleCare attributes to that.
Irrelevant. Why do you think this matters?

LOL you're right. I don't have a say. Apple has that say and has already decided, and it has given them good results as well as to the VAST majority of their customers. You want to fix your device? It's a free market. You're welcome to any number of Android devices where you have free reign on how you'd like to repair it.

That's not how the right to repair works.

Your clear bias in support of Apple really is offensive. Do you have some kind of debt owed to Apple or something?
 
So how long should Apple produce repair parts? 2 generations at the most I feel is appropriate, they shouldn’t have to support a 5 year old phone
Irrelevant question. The point is that Apple restricting the component makers to not sell their components to anybody else, no matter if it's new or old.
 
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Irrelevant. Why do you think this matters?



That's not how the right to repair works.

Your clear bias in support of Apple really is offensive. Do you have some kind of debt owed to Apple or something?
None at all. I just see that the way they run business keeps most of their customers happy and coming back for more. I see no reason why they should change.
 
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Shocked.

Shocked!

To see people downvoting posts that encourage recycling and devices that should be streamlined so that the manufacturer can easily recycle the materials into new products instead of being thrown into a landfill by a turd party repair man.

Actually not shocked because there will always be human scum out there who want to create as much dirt, filth and trash as possible in the name of FREEDOOOOOOOM
 
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