Is this random identifier 12486 time-stamped on the central server? Or does the server only get a list of all random identifiers created by Ryan’s phone over the last 14 days? Which would mean the information that Eric was exposed on Friday would only be generated on Eric’s phone. And if it is the OS via the API that is generating that Friday time window, than even the app on Eric‘a phone wouldn’t know which identifier created that match.
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"Thanks, but no thanks. I dont want to be a part of this fascicist surveillance program. I want my ******* rights back."
Good lord, the DRAMA.
Good lord, the DRAMA.
Already from the comments on here I'm wondering how many of the people making them actually read the article.
Did I miss something? Doesn’t HIV have to be managed for the person to be okay? This is why I said “death sentence on maintenir.” I saw news that HIV/AIDS may have been cured in 1 or 2 cases, but not sure where that went.
Regardless, kudos to misinterpreting what I’m saying. I’m not afraid of getting HIV just as I’m not of getting COVID. I just don’t need a tracking system to mitigate my fear nor endorse the safety of myself and others. It would seem to me that those who feel safer with this inappropriate techno-societal precedent (topped with a vaccine), are the ones living from fear and its mongering.
EDIT: Just saw my typo of not including the word “sentence” after death. Will correct, sorry for any misinterpretation from that.
The OS has an off switch. Sure, you might not trust the OS to honour it. But if you don’t, why would you trust the OS to not having tracked you for the last decade?
You didn't read the the first post.
The only thing I’m confused about is, if this is supposed to be decentralized, why do I have to use an app from a “verified health authority” to get it to work? Doesn’t that lead to privacy implications?
(a) Are you afraid somebody you love might get COVID19?
(b) Are you afraid the shutdowns, that will be more prolonged and severe if contact tracing is less extensive, will affect you or somebody you love negatively?
I don't get it - how does this help? Near the end of their scenario it says, "allowing everyone to better monitor for potential exposure". But then what? If this system alerts me what am I supposed to do - stay away from all humans for 2 or 3 days? And then what? What exactly are we (society) gaining by this? What am I missing?
You should probably look up the definitions of both “fascist” and “surveillance” because neither of them remotely applies in this situation.
The health authority part is needed to verify that someone has actually tested positive for the virus.
It also then helps provide the correct advice to the person using the app, as that will obviously vary across the world.
Would my identify, location, and all of the other things kept private in the technology still be kept private even through the health authority app?
One of the most effective ways to stop the virus spreading, is to trace people who have recently come into contact with a person that has tested positive for the virus.
This is a labour intensive process, and doesn't scale too well. An app would make it possible for this whole process to be automated. Doing it manually involves contacting family, friends, colleagues, people you sat next to on the train etc.
The procedure for anyone who has come into contact with someone that has tested positive will vary by region, but in most cases, it will involve self-isolating at home for the recommended period of time.
Having effective contact tracing methods in place is one of the best ways to ease "lockdown" rules.
This exposure notification (let’s get it right, this is important) is for a singular, incredibly novel virus with a large number of silent carriers, no vaccine guaranteed, and treatment options for those already sick still heavily under research. Using the HIV/AIDS parallel is borderline offensive. That’s a virus (in the case of HIV) for which testing and treatment is widely available, after fighting for a long time for such.
The logic that this is going to bleed into other aspects of our lives falls apart when you realize this is an interim solution for the aforementioned novelties of this virus, particularly in how it spreads. The same virus could barely cause any symptoms for one person and they could experience a full recovery, but they pass another before realizing they’re sick, that person catches it, and without any proper next steps taken, they’re dead. This API allows for those “next steps” to be taken in an extremely prompt fashion, if done properly. The identifiers are anonymous, no matter how many people on here don’t think that’s possible (conspiracy, plain and simple); getting sued for healthcare costs is really not a concern here.
We are lucky to have this, thanks to the proliferation of smartphones. With the way these APIs are built, there is no “permanent” opt-in. Turn the switch off, delete the app. Believing this won’t effectively get rid of everything related to exposure notification on one’s phone is, again, pure conspiracy. (This forum is no stranger to that though.)
This isn’t about some noble sense of saving the world. For many, who are either high-risk themselves or live with high-risk people (or both), this is about genuine self-protection and the protection of loved ones.
P.S.—with respect to mental health, the idea that someone’s anxiety over getting these pings all the time is enough reason for them to turn it off is ludicrous. If they’re getting that many pings, they need to stay at home.
Two reasons at the top of my head:
- You need a gatekeeper to prevent people from falsely claiming they’ve tested positive. This gatekeeper is the verified health authority, the app is the vehicle for them to communicate with the API.
- As the situation develops and we learn more about the virus, the thresholds to trigger an exposure notification will need to be tweaked. Again this is done via the app whose precise workings the verified health authorities control. For example, when testing capacities in one country improve, they might want to lower this threshold.
So you willingly gave up your God given right of moving around but this anonymous exposure tracking is worse so you rather stay home for longer?
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Accorsing to the article, the health app will be able to tell how long you were in contact with the person that tested positive, and how far away from them you were.
This can be used to work out how much of a risk you were exposed to, so the app can give you better advice.
Here’s a thought: exposure is NOT the same thing as infection.
So you approve of having unsuspecting people infect each other? I'm amazed at how many people are on Team COVID.
If you compare the unemployment rate in the U.S. and South Korea, are you sure you prefer the land of the free’s approach?
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What about you pay a tax to finance the unemployment benefits of those laid off due to the crisis as an alternative to allowing this contact tracing and wearing a mask? Tell me which option you prefer.
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Once again, the issue is not how it works. Apple has done a good job with privacy as they always do.
The issue is the ideology of allowing this, what it entails in the present, and what it could entail in the future.
Also, the person you’re quoting wants to make this a liberal issue, but I am non-conservative/progressive and see the issues in this clearly.
The right that’s being surrendered (or implied it should be surrendered): the ability to live independently of others, and at least to not have my phone ping others of my life nor broadcast an aspect of my life to others’ phones. It’s optional and opt-in now, but this is the precedent Big Brother wet dreams are made of.
Concerned, not afraid.
Concern is productive. It means I encourage people to up their vitamin D as that appears to be a major predisposition to getting COVID. (I saw today that Europe was doing a study.) If a person is not confident in having basic health, then I encourage them to take precautions.
Having had a severe chronic D deficiency and several other health issues, I’ve been mindful. But concern and mindfulness is not cause for an inappropriate precedent.
If this were the bubonic plague? Okay. Track me and everyone else. But it isn’t, it’s just being hyped up that it is.
Again again again, I’d be more concerned if someone I love got HIV because that’s a lifetime of management (as far as I’m aware; waiting to be corrected).
I also have an aunt with lupus who still has a flip phone. Neither concern nor fear nor Big Brother precedent is going to help her save herself and the world with some noble yet suspicious tracking API/agenda. Only her mindfulness and supporting her baseline of health will, and ultimately that’s all that will help any of us.
Tell the various US governors that. Many of them are acting like exposure to COVID-19 will definitely kill you and that the only solution is for everyone to stay at home until the economy is utterly destroyed.
I understand that people have legitimate privacy concerns.
But the people who can't seem to grasp that use of this technology is NOT about YOU.
It's about the parents and grandparents of EVERYONE posting on this board, and everyone in the world.
It is your right and your decision to turn off this tracking software. But if you do that, and you then spread the virus in a way that's untraceable (which is highly like, since so many young people get the virus and remain asymptomatic), you will directly contribute to killing more people.
So the tradeoff is: run the risk of your privacy being compromise in order to save lives, or protect your privacy and risk your actions contributing directly to more deaths.
If people weigh that tradeoff and decide to turn off this technology, then I can kind of understand that. But don't for a second think that this choice is just about your health, your privacy, or your choices. If you choose not to use this software, you increase the chances that you yourself will infect more people and contribute to more deaths.
But the people who can't seem to grasp that use of this technology is NOT about YOU.
It's about the parents and grandparents of EVERYONE posting on this board, and everyone in the world.
It is your right and your decision to turn off this tracking software. But if you do that, and you then spread the virus in a way that's untraceable (which is highly like, since so many young people get the virus and remain asymptomatic), you will directly contribute to killing more people.
So the tradeoff is: run the risk of your privacy being compromise in order to save lives, or protect your privacy and risk your actions contributing directly to more deaths.
If people weigh that tradeoff and decide to turn off this technology, then I can kind of understand that. But don't for a second think that this choice is just about your health, your privacy, or your choices. If you choose not to use this software, you increase the chances that you yourself will infect more people and contribute to more deaths.
If this happened 10-15 years ago people would be freaking out even more then they are now about the privacy implications... but 10-15 years of bamboozling us into steadily giving our data away willingly via social engineering has softened the effect.
The younger generation is especially apathetic because they were born into this mentality. It's been normalized for them by their parents and the social landscape they helped build through their utter disinterest in whether the "progress" they were witnessing was actually progress at all (thank you to the Jersey Shore/Myspace generation).
They know not what they are giving up... but hey look at these cool Animoji's, isn't Apple awesome!
The younger generation is especially apathetic because they were born into this mentality. It's been normalized for them by their parents and the social landscape they helped build through their utter disinterest in whether the "progress" they were witnessing was actually progress at all (thank you to the Jersey Shore/Myspace generation).
They know not what they are giving up... but hey look at these cool Animoji's, isn't Apple awesome!