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Most people fail to realize that they are constantly being recorded by one or more security cameras. Even without access to security footage, if someone is targeting you specifically, you will be recorded by long range high resolution high fps camera. Passwords are not secure anymore.

Face ID is the step in the right direction. It uses relatively strong biometric verification, and requires intention to unlock, which was Touch ID weak point. With Touch ID, anyone can use your finger to unlock without your consent. With Face ID, torture is mandatory. There is no way to force a person to look at the camera if he doesn't want to.

On the second thought, in theory, they could knock you out, glue your eyelids to keep your eyes open, and use needles to position your eyeballs for unlock.

One way that almost any biometric security is better than password in "everyday" usage is that there are so many scenarios where people are around you when you enter a password, on your phone, padlock, laptop, ATM, debit card purchase etc. I see people entering their passwords all the time. I don't pay attention to their passwords, but most people around me are careless or trusting enough that I suppose if I wish I can acquire their codes over half of the time. You cannot do that with biometric.

Yes, customs officers cannot force you to enter your passcode, but guess what? There are already multiple occasions where a camera overhead has captured your code when you entered it -- in the airport, on the street, in a mall, in a retail store, etc. When I used to use a passcode on my phone, I would deliberately turn the phone away from people if they are right next to me. I no longer have to do that with biometric. Whether face or finger is fine with me as long as it works smoothly.

Of course there are cases where passwords might be better, but I am saying that in "everyday" usage, biometric is better in many cases, and certainly in my life.
 
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It's a convenience. If you hold National Security secrets on your telephone, don't use faceid or touchid. Use a complex password only. Also, don't put servers in mom 'n pop stores either. That's not a good idea.

Seriously, I laugh when people throw out dramatic scenarios about the legitimacy of this. IF A COP POINTS IT AT ME AN RUNS AWAYY, WHAT DO YOU DO THEN HUH? GOTCHYA!!1

I mean, use a complex password if you are planning an attack or something. Otherwise if you want your cat/dick pics to stay safe, you are good with touch/face id.
Better solution - just never open your eyes. FaceID won't work if you don't open your eyes, so everyone who is afraid of this, take a sewing kit and sew your eyes shut. Problem solved. :rolleyes::p:p
 
No, it require eye contact. Unless you sleep with your eyes open, it’s not a problem.
But what if I take a nap at my work desk with my eyes open so my boss doesn't know, but he comes over anyway and puts my phone to my face?!?!
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This is basically what I've been repeatedly harping on in the forums for the past day. It's kinda sad that so many people don't know the basic science behind things they use every day like TV remote controls.
I don't understand the basic science behind a toilet bowl so don't take it personally...
 
Honest question. Haven't worn a welding mask in a while. Can you really see your unlocked iPhone and use it through a welding mask?
Auto-dimming welding masks. Which, incidentally, do not dim if you try to see an eclipse through them.
 
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apple could not get the thingy to work at the keynote
 
Under current US law the court can require you to provide your fingerprint but cannot force you to divulge your password.

Yeah, but which finger? You get 5 tries to unlock with TouchID before it is disabled. You have 10 fingers to try with. Three tries are wasted on the same finger, "I don't know why it is not unlocking." After that, you get 2 tries with the remaining 9 fingers. "No, no, I'm sure it was my thumb." Once it is disabled you don't have to provide your password.

You only have one face.
 
If someone points a gun at me and wants to steal my phone - they can have it. As for disabling it for cops, again if that is a concern, use the password. Jeez some of you people are craycray arguing about this.

I am glad that I can disable it if I want by pressing two buttons. That is new info and thanks MR for asking.

Thank you for this. Honestly it's so annoying see so many people complain about the iPhone X and be so up in arms. Relaxxx! How often do you guys get your phone stolen?!

Everyone is so worked up over nothing. I hope Apple shatters records again with this launch so it can shut some of you up Lol.
[doublepost=1505423763][/doublepost]Some of you guys must live in terrible neighborhoods, are very irresponsible or are criminals. Law enforcement this, when I'm sleeping that.

If you have to live your life in fear then maybe you should just get an Android phone.

"Wahhh what if my girlfriend opens it while I'm sleeping" then you are in one ****** relationship.
 
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Every iPhone launch since the very first launch in '07 has been laughed at, ridiculed, memed, had SNL skits about the newest iPhone, had talk show hosts laughing about it on their monologues, YouTube videos spoofing the actual Apple marketing videos -- and all it's done is increased the visibility of the newest iPhone! Apple is crying all the way to the bank, to quote Liberace.
 
I've said more convenient in some and less convenient in other ways...



It is significantly slower.

Look at the time it takes to get to your home screen to do something:
- tap the screen to wake / use power button to wake
- scan your face until the lock symbol gets unlocked
- swipe up from the bottom

Touch ID is way faster.
Press button, short (but still sort of unnecessary) animation, done.

I hated the iOS update that forced you to push your Home Button every time. In Accessibility, I enabled "Rest Finger to Open."

I guess I'd have to get used to it with Face ID. I don't think it could have a similar accessibility feature as I'd miss seeing my notifications.
 
Why dont they mention that stuff at the keynote to avoid crique in the first place? Such details are what we want to hear!

How long would you want the keynote be? They can't possibly cover all questions, both reasonable and many dumb ones.
 
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Ok, So here's my first impression on FaceID from a security standpoint... Playing Devils advocate. Police cannot compel you to use TouchID or enter your password or pin....... but what is to stop them from holding your phone up to your face? In the US that would mean the 5th Amendment wouldn't be contravened technically.
 
Not saying Face ID sucks, but shouldn't the new thing be significantly better and not just different and for many people even worse?
You can't because you haven't used it yet. And of course it's better. It's much easier and straightforward to look at your phone to unlock it than to have to place a finger over a specific portion of the phone. I've had TouchID fail many times because fingers were damp or had dirt on them. Then, it only recognizes as many fingers as you train it to remember. I can't remember how many times I ended up using a finger that I didn't train it on.

Overall this is a great phone and solid product. I can't wait to get mine!
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apple could not get the thingy to work at the keynote
They absolutely DID and the phone worked exactly as designed. The only people it couldn't get it to work for are Apple haters and those who WANT to find a nit to pick with what was probably the most significant product lunch for Apple in recent memory.
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Ok, So here's my first impression on FaceID from a security standpoint... Playing Devils advocate. Police cannot compel you to use TouchID or enter your password or pin....... but what is to stop them from holding your phone up to your face? In the US that would mean the 5th Amendment wouldn't be contravened technically.
Close your eyes. Wince. Stick your tongue out. Puff out your cheeks. There are a million things you can do.
 
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Any people know if the current TOUCH ID Apps work with Face ID???





Apple's new Face ID facial recognition feature will work with most sunglasses, according to Apple software engineering chief Craig Federighi.

"Most sunglasses let through enough IR light that Face ID can see your eyes even when the glasses appear to be opaque. It's really amazing!" Federighi said in an email to MacRumors reader and developer Keith Krimbel (@yokeremote and @keithkrimbel on Twitter) who emailed the Apple exec with a list of questions this morning.

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While Apple's Face ID coverage has specifically said the feature works with hats, scarves, beards, glasses, makeup, and other items that might obscure the face, sunglasses were not specifically mentioned. Federighi's answer clears up one of the last major unknowns about Face ID.

Krimbel also asked for details on what would prevent a thief from taking the iPhone X, pointing it at his face, and running off. In response, Federighi says there are two mitigations in place. "If you don't stare at the phone, it won't unlock," he wrote. "Also, if you grip the buttons on both sides of the phone when [you] hand it over, it will temporarily disable Face ID."

In addition to answering these questions, Federighi also commented on the now highly-publicized on-stage Face ID gaffe that saw the feature fail to recognize his face. According to Apple, the software failed because someone else had picked up the phone ahead of Federighi's demo. Federighi says it's not really an issue he had encountered before.The Face ID facial recognition feature is designed to replace Touch ID as the new de facto biometric authentication system. While it's limited to the iPhone X at this time, Apple has said it is the future of how we will unlock our smartphones.

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For more on how Face ID scans your face, whether it can be fooled, how it works with Apple Pay, and the built-in privacy features, make sure to check out our Face ID post that covers all of the ins and outs of the new feature.

Article Link: Apple's Face ID Feature Works With Most Sunglasses, Can Be Quickly Disabled to Thwart Thieves
 
but what is to stop them from holding your phone up to your face? In the US that would mean the 5th Amendment wouldn't be contravened technically.
just close your eyes, the software reportedly requires your attention, what are they going to do, glue your eyelids open?
 
In all honesty isn’t talking about cops and faceid irrelivent.

1. Are you all expecting to get arrested or somthing that this is such a huge concern.

2. If they really want to get on your phone and willing to break the law to, what’s the difference between faceid and Touch ID most cops will just force u to unlock with your thumb Since they are already breaking law

3. What are hiding on your phone tbh
 
Q: "What will prevent a thief from taking my phone, pointing it at my face, and running?"

A: "There are two mitigations: if you don't stare at your phone, it won't unlock. Also, if you grip the buttons on both sides of the phone when you hand it over, it will temporarily disable FaceID."

I didn't really find solace in Craig's answer to be honest. "Don't stare at it" isn't good enough, as that places responsibility on the victim to be conscious of their actions while a theft or confiscation is taking place. Most will try to get their phone back- likely, while looking at their phone in the other person's hands.

His second answer- using the buttons- also isn't good enough as it's a preventative action, but who knows when a theft or confiscation is going to occur? Once again placing responsibility back on the victim.

PS: I like FaceID, but Apple really needs to go back and think this one through. Maybe by using a TouchID built into the power button for future models.

And to further ease everyone's fears, Craig says that if the thief shoots you in the face, your iPhone is safe and secure. :D
 
Hmmm... so as I understand the more secure locking where you have to 'stare' at the phone is optional to turn on, otherwise it will unlock with a less secure look at the phone?
So you either have to stare at the phone every time to unlock it, or risk it being unlocked more easily... and thiefs will be able to run off with an unlocked iPhone easily.. unless you remember to squeeze those side buttons.

Hmm not convinced I have to say. Touch ID on the Apple logo on the back would have been far better then the 'notch' at the top it's ended up having. IMO.
 
On one of the Youtube vlogger's posts, I saw a man training Face ID, and he put his head back at a very significant angle. It still registered it. So I think it's similar to Touch ID, in that the portion and angle recognized depends on how you train it. So for example, with Touch ID, I tend to make sure I train it to recognize the sides and very tips of my fingers, so that I could unlock it with any grip. -- But with Face ID, I imagine there's a point where your head would be too far back, and would obscure your face too much to be valid.

I think it was iJustine's youtube channel.

-- edit --

Yes, it's in her "iPhone X and iPhone 8!" video at the 5:33 mark.

Thanks dude, I'll check that out now!
 
I still don't see any real benefit over Touch ID.

They've replaced it with something that's more convenient in some and less convenient in other ways, works slower and has more potential of someone else unlocking it against your will.

Not saying Face ID sucks, but shouldn't the new thing be significantly better and not just different and for many people even worse?
I could be wrong but it seems like a very cool feature that in real world terms adds little or even less.
 
My best guess...

1. FaceID only sort of works. It's cumbersome, and not very reliable--most people won't use it. It did fail on stage, and failed at the press demos numerous times.

2. They were intending to rely on under the display touchID, and FaceID was a fall back they didn't think they'd have to rely on. My guess is that they were planning on using the sensors for AR, doing face/head tracking, and FaceID wasn't their main use of the tech.

3. This is a colossal f-up and will cost many senior people their jobs. This was supposed to be the phone that turned Apple back around, and now it's a mess and may not even be shipped in volume before Xmas.
 
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