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Yeah... These "the sky is falling" what-ifs about FaceId remind me of when TouchId was introduced a few years ago.

Yeah, yeah, but what if, you know, some criminal were to accost you, take your iPhone, and then cut off your thumb with a knife to unlock your phone? What then Apple???

Dollars to donuts that didn't happen even once. People here get so hysterically ridiculous coming up with these insane what-ifs.
Well, if it *did* happen that thumbless person can now by an iPhone X and use Face ID
 
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I've yet to see impact of using faceID hundreds of times per day in battery life. Me personally, unlock my phone around 10-15 times per hour. Using the front camera and all that sensors every time you unlock your phone. Let's wait and see...
 
I am still not 100% convinced. Simple stuff like collegue's could unlock your phone by grabbing it and holding it at you. in the half second you realise what they try to do, its already unlocked probaly.

That's easy to fix. Just uproot your life and change jobs to a place where your co-workers aren't a**h****.
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Well, if it *did* happen that thumbless person can now by an iPhone X and use Face ID

But what if someone cut off your face and transplants it on himself like the Faceoff movie?
 
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Sounds like damage control from Apple
:rolleyes: Yes, that "glitch" on stage did so much damage to Apple's reputation that people are selling their stock and tossing iPhones into the trash. So much damage that Apple has dropped from being worth a trillion dollars to a few million. So much damage that not a single iPhone X will sell if they don't immediately cover it up. Yes. That is why they're desperately trying to make it sound like something that utterly failed was a simple mistake because...it couldn't have possibly been a simple mistake. It couldn't possibly have been exactly what they say it was. Apple would never tell the truth!

:rolleyes: Luckily, we have posters like you, there to expose Apple for the lying evil company it is and stop us from...(shiver)...buying its phones. :p
 
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Honestly , the thief in question can take your finger and force you to put it on the touch id. Face ID , Touch ID ... if you're being robbed - chances are- they'll get you to open your phone.

Yes, if your an idiot maybe! Look seriously though, most thefts are opportunistic and therefore carried out by theirs who don't use violence.
They just see the phone, grab it and make off.
They are not prepared or willing to risk that the phone owner knows how to handle themselves.
Career thieves are another matter but sadly you just do the best you can in a situation like that and if someone is determined to grab your phone then do not risk your life if they are violent and stop moaning!
Hand the phone over and deal with it afterwards.
 
I've yet to see impact of using faceID hundreds of times per day in battery life. Me personally, unlock my phone around 10-15 times per hour. Using the front camera and all that sensors every time you unlock your phone. Let's wait and see...
Also a good concern but it would be odd if apple didn't think about that.
 
I'm less concerned about court orders than government agents who overstep their bounds in routine situations (not just the police, but also e.g. customs agents etc. because I travel a lot internationally). Physically forcing someone to provide a fingerprint is on a different level than merely holding a phone in front of their face. And BTW, the iPhone isn't just sold in the US.

Again, if you have fears that the police force where you are might do that, then you need to go with a password. Seriously. If you think that you may have your rights violated, then do what you need to do to secure your data.

This is no less secure than Touch ID.
 
those who doubt Apple don't know the company well. they think of all these scenarios. and to those who think a thief is going to grab the phone and hold it up to your face and then run are nuts - the thief is going to grab it and run - he/she isn't going to have time to do all the things necessary to unlock it.
 
I am still not 100% convinced. Simple stuff like collegue's could unlock your phone by grabbing it and holding it at you. in the half second you realise what they try to do, its already unlocked probaly.
Touch ID or face id, if you’re using you’re phone and it’s unlocked and a ne’er dowel grabs the phone it’s already unlocked.
 
Concerns:
People showing it into your face because it unlocks faster then you might be able to look away when realising what they are doing.
Battery life of using infrared light (light=alot of energy), quite some cpu power probaly for analyzing your face and for the camera, every time again when unlocking your X.
Angles of it working. I hope it will work from a desk.
Very bright sun that forces you to close your eyes halfly and the infrared it emits might mess with the unlocks.

No concerns:
iPhone thieves. Does that really still happen alot? What use is there to steal a iphone wich will be rendered useless after you lock it online. Not even a restore will make it work.
 
Do we think........

Face ID MUST work in landscape and portrait... yes ?
 
I've said more convenient in some and less convenient in other ways...



It is significantly slower.

Look at the time it takes to get to your home screen to do something:
- tap the screen to wake / use power button to wake
- scan your face until the lock symbol gets unlocked
- swipe up from the bottom

Touch ID is way faster.
Press button, short (but still sort of unnecessary) animation, done.

It's really the same thing. Pick up phone and swipe vs. pick up phone and press home button. Not very difficult.
 
Well I live in the burbs. I wasn’t aware ordinary people are frequently interacting with cops where the cops would be asking for their phones.
Nah, they don't ask for phones as far as I've seen. I think people are getting worked up over nothing for the most part, over maybe one news story out of the thousands of interactions people have with police that are just simple conversations.
 
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Not even that, but you can:
  • Remotely disable it by using Find my iPhone on the web or another device
  • Quickly tap the lock button five times, which also disables biometrics for police who, in the US, can't compel you to give them your passcode because it's against the law.
Apple goes to these ridiculous lengths to ensure privacy and security, and people still complain. What's pathetic is that many of these users happily give over all of their personal information to Google every day.

If you're not fast enough to disable it, then they just point it at your face to unlock it. Works perfectly while your hands are ductaped or handcuffed behind your back.... thanks Tim Cook!
 
I still don't see any real benefit over Touch ID.

They've replaced it with something that's more convenient in some and less convenient in other ways, works slower and has more potential of someone else unlocking it against your will.

Not saying Face ID sucks, but shouldn't the new thing be significantly better and not just different and for many people even worse?

Apple's Touch ID Is Probably Doomed and That's Okay
http://gizmodo.com/apples-touch-id-is-probably-doomed-and-thats-okay-1806528982
 
It's a convenience. If you hold National Security secrets on your telephone, don't use faceid or touchid. Use a complex password only.
Most people fail to realize that they are constantly being recorded by one or more security cameras. Even without access to security footage, if someone is targeting you specifically, you will be recorded by long range high resolution high fps camera. Passwords are not secure anymore.

Face ID is the step in the right direction. It uses relatively strong biometric verification, and requires intention to unlock, which was Touch ID weak point. With Touch ID, anyone can use your finger to unlock without your consent. With Face ID, torture is mandatory. There is no way to force a person to look at the camera if he doesn't want to.

On the second thought, in theory, they could knock you out, glue your eyelids to keep your eyes open, and use needles to position your eyeballs for unlock.
 
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It won't work while sleeping as FaceID is attention-aware, i.e. you've got to be looking at the device to unlock it with FaceID

On a side note, it's bothering me that Craig signed his email off as "- craig" without capitalizing his name. :eek:

Yea that's bothering me too. Let's start a full
thread, get it on social media, and make it so I can see it on the 11 o'clock news!!!

C'mon please! This is important
 
Why are so many people concerned about handing their phone to a cop? Wtf are some of you up to?

Living as a Black or Brown person in America. Sometimes that's all it takes.

A lot of people on MR worried about cops. Why? The last time I had an interaction with law enforcement was 5 years ago when I was pulled over for speeding.
See above.

Also, more people in this country should be concerned about overreach on the part of police, customs agents, and other governmental authorities. I'm not only talking about what's technically legal, but what's tacitly allowed (or encouraged) by supervisors and coworkers.

What happened to this family was all perfectly legal, and the only reason they got so much as a half-assed apology from the police was because of the public uproar. But during their detention/arrest, their phones were all confiscated by the police.

None of us have to be doing anything "wrong" to be concerned about our privacy. It's an inherent right that we should continue to guard zealously.
 
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Most people fail to realize that they are constantly being recorded by one or more security cameras. Even without access to security footage, if someone is targeting you specifically, you will be recorded by long range high resolution high fps camera. Passwords are not secure anymore.

Face ID is the step in the right direction. It uses relatively strong biometric verification, and requires intention to unlock, which was Touch ID weak point. With Touch ID, anyone can use your finger to unlock without your consent. With Face ID, torture is mandatory. There is no way to force a person to look at the camera if he doesn't want to.

On the second thought, in theory, they could knock you out, glue your eyelids to keep your eyes open, and use needles to position your eyeballs for unlock.

I only unlock my phone under a blanket like Edward Snowden.

(not really, that was a joke)
 
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This would be just fine on a Mac or iPad--not so much iPhone. I rarely stare at my phone while unlocking it that's the convenience of touch id. Having the option of "trusted" bluetooth/nfc devices (like the Apple Watch) or wifi spaces would be nice.
 
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