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But it helps retain their share of the pie.
Who is 'their' in this statement? I thought the reason Apple was reducing out of app store fees by 3% was that that's the EU standard for alternative payment methods. I don't know why I thought that, I guess it makes sense in my mind. I assumed developers would pay the same or more for processing out of Apple transactions, in exchange for having a choice to do so. But that the lowest their fee could ever be is 3%.
 
No, because I should own my device. The App Store is dictating political decisions to me that I did not consent to.

And let’s be honest, I didn’t buy the phone just for the App Store.

So you didn't know that you licensed the software and would have limitations when you bought your devices and downloaded software? I assume you resist all HOA rules, too?
 
Unfortunately, the more recent ruling by the ACM makes this much harder. Apple wanted developer to offer two distinctly different versions of the app, which would be relatively easy for Apple to track. The ACM wants developers to offer a single version that offers, inside the app, two different ways to make in-app purchases. Apple would have to monitor actions that take lace inside the app themselves in order to track alternative payment transactions. In order to do this, Apple would have to violate all of the privacy strictures that they claim to defend and are one of the key parts of their product differentiation.

Have to disagree.
I have apps today that I can pay via any number of ways (ex: Uber, DoorDash, Costco, etc...). Not seeing why that cannot be leveraged for this.
Unless I am missing something.
 
Devs are perfectly capable of selling software correctly from their own websites using secure transaction, compared to the App Store.

They have access to professional web sites that can provide all those services if they can't operate their own just like any other online business. Lots of smaller developers partner with online service providers.

Yes, devs are perfectly capable of selling software directly from their own websites, this does not mean that this provides a good user experience or that they use a reputable payment processor. Example... Carbon Copy Cloner, a popular app for Macs, only uses "Secure ordering by FastSpring" who the hell is FastSpring?

Say I want a word search game, I can do one of two things:

1) Visit the iOS app store, search for word search games and review the ones that pop up, pick one, pay for it, download it and use it, visiting only the Apple App store for upgrades.

Or

2) Google iOS word search games and get only those Google deems worthy (because the devs paid to boost its presence), choose one, create a user account on that devs site, give that devs random payment processor my info and have to revisit their site individually for updates.

It not like Apple's App Store is the best, most secure, sleep well at night solution that you'll ever need.

I trust Apple's payment system more than I trust any of the other big names and far more than I trust independent ones not to get hacked or exploit my data.
 
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MacOS users do not have choice. MacOS users are locked into whatever distribution channel the dev chooses and most go it alone. This is the same level of "choice" that iOS users have.

iOS provides a unique, one-stop-shop, experience for apps, payments and support that focuses on privacy protection which IMHO provides a great customer experience.

MacOS, like the PC world, forces users to scour the intarwebz for apps and locks them into potentially no-name payment processors (ex: not every dev uses ApplePay, PayPal or Amazon for payments).

Ask yourself what you really want:

1) A single location and login for searching, comparing, downloading, upgrading, paying and support (payments) for apps that gives you a report card view what data they are collecting.

or

2) A login for the Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Steam, Google, Facebook, Epic, stores.... plus all the independent ones where you need to give them all your personal information and receive no warnings as to what data they are collecting about you and selling to god knows who.

I'll take the latter.
If I'm looking for an App Store app, I usually do it via Google anyway. The App Store is a mess especially for browsing.
 
So you didn't know that you licensed the software and would have limitations when you bought your devices and downloaded software? I assume you resist all HOA rules, too?
Considering where I live, there is no HOA, I don’t read such rules.

I’ve reviewed the terms and conditions of the App Store usage, and it funnily enough doesn’t cover much about the removal of apps. This is covered in the developer terms and conditions.
 
Isn't consenting one of the first things you do when you get an iPhone? I don't think you can skip it. It's on the box and the setup has a required software prompt.

Regulars probably know I am the first one here to argue that we should own software, but I am going to need a little more to get behind that statement.

On the box? Where?
I'm looking at a 12PM and 13PM box and not seeing it.
 
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So you didn't know that you licensed the software and would have limitations when you bought your devices and downloaded software? I assume you resist all HOA rules, too?

Be careful of that one.
I carefully reviewed the HOA before I bought.
I could only access the "rules" for my 13PM after I bought and activated.
In the EU, that post review isn't legally binding like in the US. But I'm not sure of California though.
 
If you refer customer to outside payment options, it's not Apple's business to charge for these transactions.
The transactions are between the app developer / service and the customer - not Apple.
But Apple does pass this charge to developers, all payment platforms do.

Actually I am a day 1 iPhone user. The App Store didn’t exist when I started to use the iPhone.

Please don’t claim the App Store was there since day 1.
Hmmm. Maybe iPhone 2G customers have a point. Assuming they never updated their device to iOS 2.

Otherwise, that argument doesn't work since they would have had to agree.
 
I'm pretty sure Apple hasn't paid a fine and won't until they are required by a court of Law after they got to argue their case.
Doesn't Apple make like 8 to 10 million dollars per day in interest on their cash reserves? Assuming the low end that's less than 7 days to pay off the fine.
 
But Apple does pass this charge to developers, all payment platforms do.


Hmmm. Maybe iPhone 2G customers have a point. Assuming they never updated their device to iOS 2.

Otherwise, that argument doesn't work since they would have had to agree.
I’ve read the Terms and Conditions, what point are you trying to make?
 
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I’ve read the Terms and Conditions, what point are you trying to make?
... that, um... using the iPhone prior to the introduction of the app store is irrelevant unless you are in a very specific position ...
 
Doesn't Apple make like 8 to 10 million dollars per day in interest on their cash reserves? Assuming the low end that's less than 7 days to pay off the fine.
True, but I don't see Apple just paying million dollar fines levied against them without a court order.
 
Terms and conditions wouldn’t cover that.

My point was that there was a model before the App Store.
The terms and conditions wouldn't cover what?

I guess I am confused. Are you saying that there was a model for the app store before the app store?
True, but I don't see Apple just paying million dollar fines levied against them without a court order.
Oh, yeah. No, they won't. They will use the entire period of time given to pay it too.
 
I guess I am confused. Are you saying that there was a model for the app store before the app store?

Oh, yeah. No, they won't. They will use the entire period of time given to pay it too.
Apologies, there are too many people to keep a good account of who’s replying to me.

There were previous “app stores” in different forms before Apple brought it to the iPhone and iPod Touch.
 
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