With what type of SSD? Is it possible to drop an NVMe in these machines? Do you have to replace it with a blade OEM style drive or at these the regular SATA SSDs?
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Apple's First MacBook Pro With Retina Display is Now 'Vintage'
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With what type of SSD? Is it possible to drop an NVMe in these machines? Do you have to replace it with a blade OEM style drive or at these the regular SATA SSDs?
That is the only question I have:
Once it has been declared vintage/obsolete, will MacOS Mojave support the MacBookPro10,1 (MBP, Retina mid-2012)?
[I couldn't care less about hardware support, as having Apple "repair" this excellent laptop with only 86 recharge cycles to-date would prove to be uneconomical -- if the hardware fails, it is either iFixIt or time for a new MBPr.]
Hey Apple, we do we still have "Vintage" 16GB ram in 2018? Might as well declared your whole MBP lineup as vintage at this point.
You are largely discussing general hardware progress. It is certainly not Apple’s fault if neither Intel nor the SSD manufacturers are accelerating in progress.
The positive side is that the older models do not feel out of touch still today.
Magnus
Simple answer: you MBPr will be supported: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/06/04/macos-mojave-supported-macs/
Cheers,
Magnus
You’re cherry-picking (not very well), to create a result that supports your argument. The 2017 MacBook Pro has a 5w TDP CPU in it, not a 45w TDP CPU and is running at 50% the clock speed and yet the difference between the two in single-core is less than 2%, which is frankly amazing to see just five years later.Another mind boggling example, a 2017 mac only slightly faster than a 2012 mac. Perhaps if Apple loves the environment so much they should extend hardware support considering these machines keep screaming performance-wise and are nowhere near end of life? Nevermind, forced obsolescence is more profitable.
One the other hand, if you compare the 2016 MacBook Pro at 2.7GHz ($2799 16GB/512/RADEON 455) to the 2012 MacBook Pro at 2.7GHz ($2999 16GB/512/GT650M), the single core is 4624(2016) versus 3614(2012) and the multi-core is 15552(2016) versus 12011(2012), which shows a 28% (SC) and 30% (MC), 2016 Flash Storage speeds that are 8x-10x faster than the 2012 and a GPU score that is more than 3x faster.
While the 2017 MacBook can’t compete with the 2012 MacBook Pro (Retina) in multicore, that’s a trade off people are willing to accept to have a 12” form-factor versus lugging a 15” portable. At this point, that’s really all you’re giving up with the MacBook as the single-core gap is neglible, while getting jsut as much DRAM, flash storage that is 5x faster and an integrated GPU that is just about as fast as the discrete GT650M (at least in a synthetic benchmark).
Extending hardware support is nice and all, but I suspect most of Apple’s suppliers aren’t even making the raw components anymore (CPU, GPU and flash storage) that Apple would need to continue supporting these computers for another 4 years. I love my 2012 2.6GHz and it still functions well, despite the well documented issues that Apple has had with this model. I bought a refurbished model through Apple’s online store and it has been my main machine for many years, but looking at how much technology has advanced since this laptop was released (GPU and CPU power increases, flash storage speed, display, Thunderbolt bandwidth), Apple can’t simply stockpile minor parts, motherboards, batteries, et al. to have on hand hoping that someone will want replace an 8-10 year old motherboard or battery when it dies, no matter what it would end up costing. It’s simply not cost effective for any business to stock parts for that long, especially a high tech hardware manufacturer. Why would I want to spend $800-$1,000.00 on a motherboard and a battery for a 2012 computer when I can get an up to date model? Especially with laptops, where most everything is soldered down anyways...desktops are certainly a different discussion altogther.
Thank you, Magnus.
[Hopefully, Mojave will be better behaved supporting the NVidia GeForce GPU than HighSierra's first release when running Parallel's VM (the noxious GPU glitch was corrected eventually).]
"For those clinging to a 2012 model, however, there's a bit of bad, but inevitable, news."
As far as I am concerned or my company, it is more likely to be a bad news for Apple. We will be leaving the Apple ecosystem for the first time in 36 (thirtysix) years and change to Windows. Sorry Apple, you will have to listen to your customers some day.
As far as I am concerned or my company, it is more likely to be a bad news for Apple. We will be leaving the Apple ecosystem for the first time in 36 (thirtysix) years and change to Windows. Sorry Apple, you will have to listen to your customers some day.
As long as you have reconciled the trade off of carry around a laptop that weighs 10lbs, has 3 hours of battery life which needs a 330w(!) AC adapter and don’t mind carrying something the size and shape of the Acer around, more power to you!
No, all I'm showing is that a 2012 machine is relevant today even though it's 5-6 years old, performance-wise it still screams and performs very well compared to some newer macs. Yet Apple wants it labeled "Vintage" and Macrumors says "near end of life". That's what that comparison is for. For the 11th time.
I still have mine and am using it as my only MBP. I sold my 2015 15" MBP back in February. I bought my 2012 13" non retina MBP at BestBuy in 2015. I'm so used to using it now since selling the 2015 that I don't even notice it's not a retina display.
It doesn't bother me which is why I sold my 2015 with the dedicated graphics. I never had a use for the graphics on the 2015 that i sold and all I use my 2012 for is internet and using iFlicks to import downloaded movies into iTunes for use on my ATV.
Ufortunately, no, you can’t drop an NVMe M.2 into a 2015 MacBook Pro. Apple’s flash blade has a proprietary pin out on it and besides, while it is PCIe-based (x4 PCIe 3.0, 8.0GT/s), it’s still only AHCI. You can find maybe one or two manufacturers that make upgrades for the flash storage in the MacBook Pro. One is Otherworld Computing (macsales.com). However, their Aura and Aura Pro X cannot match the speed of the SM951-based SSD storage that Apple put in the 2015 model. We’re talking about 50% the speed.
The last MacBook Pro Apple sold that could take a SATA 2.5” SSD was the non-Retina 2012 MacBook Pro 13” and 15” models. I currently use a Crucial MX300 1TB in a Late 2011 15” MacBook Pro as a dev/test machine where I work and it made life a lot better after that.
Typing on mine right now, I went all out on specs when I bought it. Just got my $200 battery with free upper case replacement. Still feels like new on High Sierra. I don't even wanna upgrade to these butterfly, USB-C Macbook Pros. I'll probably upgrade when they get no more software updates.
Oh, it doesn't bother me either, there's only a few times you see it is having a difficult time, for instance scrolling in Safari.
How hard can this be to understand?
The "Vintage" (or "Obsolete") status doesn't have anything to do with software support or how modern a device might be.
It simply means that a specific model had last been sold by Apple five years ago, so they won't be providing replacement parts/units for it any longer.
That's why the 2012 13" non-retina MBP won't be vintage for another 3 years, while the 2012 retina models are vintage now.
The "Vintage" (or "Obsolete") status doesn't have anything to do with software support or how modern a device might be.
It simply means that a specific model had last been sold by Apple five years ago, so they won't be providing replacement parts/units for it any longer.
That's why the 2012 13" non-retina MBP won't be vintage for another 3 years, while the 2012 retina models are vintage now.
Well I am living in the present and I use gigabit ethernet all of the time. Yes we have wireless but its unreliable, slow and the way the network is set up there are various file shares I can not get access to (for security reasons).
Just curious, did he explain what 'vintage' meant exactly? Because this is exactly what I dislike about these types of announcements, 'vintage' or 'obsolete' in Apple talk doesn't mean what most people think it means, and I'd bet the confusion is intentional to stigmatize older products and get people to upgrade.
Like for example a vintage Macintosh 128k belongs in a museum, while a vintage Macbook 2012 rMBP still gets OS updates like Mohave
