Apple's Focus on iPhone OS 4 Diverting Resources From Mac OS X 10.7?

[nkawtg72]

and API's.

my point is that the OSes are different (APIs as you pointed out) but only because of the differences in the hardware they are running on.

OS X lacks the Location services of the iPhone OS because, up to now, there aren't any desktops or laptops with GPS or cellular in them, not because OS X couldn't function with the APIs found in iPhone OS.

you follow that?

 

[Fraaaa]

Meh. I'd rather see 10.7 than iPhone OS 4.0. But I guess I'm fine as long as they don't introduce the AppStore for Mac OS X...

That will come too someday, and I don't see it as a bad thing.

Is easier and more convinient for a developer to sell software trough the App Store than by making copies and boxes, and deliveries or distribution.

CDs and DVDs will be obsolete as soon we will have a better and fast internet connection that CD/DVD players will be sold separatly with the computers(this won't happen anytime soon though).

 

[nkawtg72]

I'm figuring a kernel or framework update and protecting the OS. I'm sure I heard the reason in the past, but still would like to have it. It's one feature I really like about linux.

yep, would be nice, but not at the top of my list really. even with the periodic reboots because of updates, i find i only restart my Macs once maybe twice a month at the most

 

[pgwalsh]

my point is that the OSes are different (APIs as you pointed out) but only because of the differences in the hardware they are running on.

OS X lacks the Location services of the iPhone OS because, up to now, there aren't any desktops or laptops with GPS or cellular in them, not because OS X couldn't function with the APIs found in iPhone OS.

you follow that?

I wasn't arguing with you. Just pointing out that it's more than just hardware, but not much more. So much arguing on MacRumors these days, it's crazy.

 

[intel]

Meh. I'd rather see 10.7 than iPhone OS 4.0. But I guess I'm fine as long as they don't introduce the AppStore for Mac OS X...

I agree but if they continue adding features and functionality like they have been to the iPhone OS, then i'd say iphone OS 5.3 would be a contender to 10.7.

MacOS app store i'd say would be a stupid idea, but a mac OS app library in the shape of the iphone app store without the restrictions of the iphone app store would certainly be a treat.

 

[nkawtg72]

I wasn't arguing with you. Just pointing out that it's more than just hardware, but not much more. So much arguing on MacRumors these days, it's crazy.

i knew you weren't arguing, just thought you may have missed my point. the individual i was writing to seemed to think that iPhone OS and OS X desktop were two totally different OSes and that neither had anything to do with the other.

i was just saying the only reason for any differences between the two was because of the hardware each is tailored to work on, but that they had both come from the same place, OS X.

 

[voidptr]

my point is that the OSes are different (APIs as you pointed out) but only because of the differences in the hardware they are running on.

OS X lacks the Location services of the iPhone OS because, up to now, there aren't any desktops or laptops with GPS or cellular in them, not because OS X couldn't function with the APIs found in iPhone OS.

you follow that?

Actually, Core Location was merged into Snow Leopard: http://developer.apple.com/mac/libr...Location_Framework/CoreLocation_Framework.pdf

It currently only uses the SkyHook WiFi database, but presumably they introduced it in anticipation of adding GPS or cellular hardware at some point.

 

[greg400]

I agree but if they continue adding features and functionality like they have been to the iPhone OS, then i'd say iphone OS 5.3 would be a contender to 10.7.

MacOS app store i'd say would be a stupid idea, but a mac OS app library in the shape of the iphone app store without the restrictions of the iphone app store would certainly be a treat.

Please tell me you are joking.

 

[Augure]

I understand: Apple really doesn't have enought money to put in developping new and innovative product...

I hope enough c*cks*cker will buy the iPad then.

 

[iTattoo]

Strategy

Maybe this is a way to address the fanboys that are still running PowerPC. If it's another 2 years from now before the retail release of 10.7, then nearly 5 years will have passed since the last PowerPC rolled out the door at Apple. There will be almost no-one that will feel they were "left behind". The difference between 10.5 and 10.6 from the user seat isn't enough to get excited about - when 10.7 comes with some new killer ap, then the last of the powerPC users can rationalize the purchase of an Intel machine.


BT

 

[nkawtg72]

Actually, Core Location was merged into Snow Leopard: http://developer.apple.com/mac/libr...Location_Framework/CoreLocation_Framework.pdf

It currently only uses the SkyHook WiFi database, but presumably they introduced it in anticipation of adding GPS or cellular hardware at some point.

true, i had forgotten they had already done that. thanks for reminding me. a good example of how iPhone OS has already been blended into OS X desktop.

not that i would like it if they did this, but i think it wouldve cut done on a lot of confusion for people if they had called it OS X Mobile instead of iPhone OS

 

[*LTD*]

I agree but if they continue adding features and functionality like they have been to the iPhone OS, then i'd say iphone OS 5.3 would be a contender to 10.7.

Far-fetched . . . but just for now.

This is a possibility, though, depending on just how much Apple can put into it. When 10.7 is released we might have a bit of a difficult time distinguishing it from what is currently called "iPhone OS." Apple's pace of development has been absolutely blistering in terms of growing their entire ecosystem. In the span of less than three years we've gone from the iPhone, to the App Store, to the iPad, and left with an amazingly robust, entrenched hardware/software ecosystem that no one else could match, and now thanks to Apple we're discussing the shift to a completely new computing paradigm.

 

[owen-b]

150 comments on an article published on Monday that essentially parrots information and opinion contained in something posted 3 days ago by that awful man Gruber that doesn't really have any newsworthy value at all?

Really?

 

[TennisandMusic]

If Apple updates OS X quickly, people start throwing fits about how developers can barely keep up with all the changes they're forced to make, and how users of older Macs get left in the dust, etc. etc.

Now, we have a situation where the company apparently feels pretty comfortable with what they've got, OS wise, for their machines, and they want to redirect focus on their other devices -- and people are complaining about that!

I think it's important to remember that Apple is much quicker than their competitors to throw out/obsolete old technologies in favor of whatever the latest thing is they're trying to offer. That's good, in the sense that it keeps the OS from becoming too bloated with code that's only there for "backwards compatibility", and it frees up the latest machines to showcase the latest tech without being bogged down. But it also means if Apple releases new OS's too quickly, they start outpacing many people's willingness to upgrade/change. They want to get their money's worth out of what they buy, before upgrading.

But...this is easily fixed by A) Stop changing API's with every release so that apps aren't continually broken and B) Stop arbitrarily removing backwards compatibility for people. You complain that others complain, but the original complaints stem from asinine policies and practices.

 

[kiljoy616]

At the same time, if Apple delays it too much, it will allow Microsoft to get Windows 8 out of the door before Apple can get 10.7 out, potentially letting MS once again out-shine* Apple in their OS release.

Yes I am sure it will outshine the lameness of their UI. I use Win7 mostly for gaming and work if required but I do not consider Win7 superior to 10.6 so having Win8 come out sooner which I doubt will happen before 2012 will mean nothing from a buyer point of view (hardcore gamers and IT departments will still go windows), now if MS dropped everything on Win8 and created a whole new way of UI then maybe.

I for one rather Apple take its time spend the next 12 month or more creating something to make me drool, something just so cool that "WE" can't live without.

 

[Lokheed]

Cue the moaners that want to claim Apple is no longer a computer company.

As MacRumors notes, a May 2011 timeframe would be fairly typical. Nothing unusual here, and Snow Leopard is a great OS.

Great for whom? Massive video corruption, memory and process gluttony... Yeah, real great. Not to mention the slew of bugs that weren't even fixed with 10.6.3... Their products have been steadily declining in quality over the years. And their desktop market is seriously suffering.

The notebook and desktop computer are not dead. Mobility is nice, but the iPhone OS is NOT all that. I'd rather have a strong desktop OS over a phone any day!

 

[coleridge78]

thanks for the resume, but it doesn't have anything to do with what i was responding to. from your initial posts, it was apparent that you didn't know that iPhone OS and OS X (for desktop) ARE the same OS. iPhone OS was a spin off from OS X in the sense that it didn't need a lot of the stuff that the desktop OS needed, and it also needed some stuff that the desktop didn't need.

the idea of some that OS X and iPhone OS don't already have the same blood is laughable at best. to suggest that either is being developed as a replacement for the other is also silly. if they wanted iPhone OS to be like OS X, then they'd just kill iPhone OS. same goes for OS X becoming like iPhone OS.

that said, as many have said along with me, any development by one will eventually benefit the other. because they are the same OS "genetically" the only thing keeping features of one out of the other are the inherent differences in the hardware each are running on. as desktop computers take on iphone features (touch interface) you'll see the iPhone OS touch framework brought to OS X. when apple sees a need for iPhones/iPods/iPads to be able to print, then you'll see the print services frameworks of OS X get put into iPhone OS.

they won't have to start from scratch with each of these OSes to accomplish this kind of evolution. going back to the original thread and apple "could be" diverting resources from one project to the other, is not a stretch to believe. who better to add desktop class features to iPhone OS than they team working on OS X. this gives uniformity across the two projects, and you don't have two separate teams taking the "genetically" similar OSes in two different directions.

This talk of "genetics" and assertions about how simple cross-pollination of OS codebases is, reveals that you haven't the first real-world idea of these things. No offense. No crime to be ignorant. But don't pretend you're the intelligent voice in the wilderness here...

 

[kironin]

Hell, I'm still using Tiger but I could use iPhone OS 4 TODAY!

so I don't really care. what exactly is being promised in 10.7 that warrants shelling money for a major upgrade anyway?

 

[mcmlxix]

I wonder if they intend to go all the way to 10.9 or if we'll see OS 11 before then. Then again, if it's anything like going from OS 9 to OS X, I'm guessing OS 11 will be a huge jump in every aspect. As in something completely different.

X is a powerful brand, so I think we'll see 10.10, 10.11, ect, before we'll see 11.0. I think any new OS would have to be a radical paradigm shifr before dropping X.

 

[lincolntran]

lol

The LARCH!
I believe it's to be based on mythical creatures from now on, Stevie boy is quite keen on Unicorn, Dragon and Cyclops, although Bertrand Serlet doesn't like the last one for some reason...

You forgot to mention that he's starting to get used to "Magic" lately.

 

[bengst]

2011.. that's next year

hmm.. more nice features on iPhoneOS. That's great! I can wait for 2011. Meanwhile, I'm switching to Windows7. It's pretty good actually.

 

[nkawtg72]

This talk of "genetics" and assertions about how simple cross-pollination of OS codebases is, reveals that you haven't the first real-world idea of these things. No offense. No crime to be ignorant. But don't pretend you're the intelligent voice in the wilderness here...

excuse me for living a$$wipe, but this is a forum NOT a World Wide Developers Conference. i chose to use simple terms and keep it as general as possible for a reason. the person i was writing too was obviously ignorant to the fact that iPhone OS had started life as OS X. i was only seeking to clear up any confusion he may have had.

if you care to argue that iPhone OS came from somewhere else then go right ahead, otherwise take your holier than though attitude somewhere else.

 

[greg400]

X is a powerful brand, so I think we'll see 10.10, 10.11, ect, before we'll see 11.0. I think any new OS would have to be a radical paradigm shifr before dropping X.

When Jobs was introducing OS X for the first time he stated that it will set them for the next decade. That decade has now passed, I don't think OS 11 is too far off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GkoAa5718Y 7:53

 

[allpar]

Replies to my list

I don't get the "use Windows" comment. if I want a better user experience, I should go to Windows? I don't get that...

"12) It's called Login Items, under Accounts. There's rarely anything more complicated than that, and I bet Joe User never has anything that they really need to manage. A conflict catcher should be the least of concern."​

Except that Login Items only covers things YOU install that start automatically, not the myriads of crap installed by auto-installers. Ever try to fix a computer owned by someone who installs the disks given to them by hardware makers and Internet providers? Go into this daemon directory, that directory... go into command line and check the /etc/ lists... gak.

"13) This could be useful, but this is more for people who install and uninstall lots of apps who are really intense about keeping their preferences folder clean - the Mac OS is not like the registry where com.company.stupidapp.plist is going to screw your entire computer over. Also, there are already paid/free utilities that do this."​

Windows has provided an uninstaller for YEARS as part of the control panel. It makes sense since Apple keeps the package files anyway.

As for the dock on the left, I meant the BOTTOM left. Sorry, my fault.

Spotlight, an app launcher? Well, a lousy one. Some of us still use keyboards with both hands.

No need to be condescending about the other items. If you don't understand the need for them, either our situations are very different, or my writing was too terse.

Oh, and here's a #... not sure what:

Command keys for EVERY function.

Windows has had that since Day One as I recall. Basically you hit a key like Alt (yeah, I know we don't have one) and then one letter in each menu item is underlined. Clunky? Yes, but it allowed people who did repetitive stuff to constantly get what they wanted. We sort of have that if you set it up with the menu options but it doesn't work for a lot of stuff, e.g. Adobe submenus. I KNOW that's Adobe's fault but they're hardly going to fix it, are they? Adobe's agenda is to make their stuff more expensive, fat, and Windows-centric...

 

[intel]

Please tell me you are joking.

No, i'm certainly not joking.
Apart from programming or long winded novel writing..... a finger based UI is the ultimate in personal computing for user/professional created content and content consumption.

Don't be so naive. I'm not sure if you were around at the transition from command line to the GUI. Productivity increased 100x and kept increasing as the gui matured. I see the same thing happening here as the keyboard and mouse are replaced by finger/hand gestures. Obviously it's not happening overnight just as command to gui hasn't changed overnight. The software needs to mature, and developers need to rework the way programs work so that all aspects of their program are set free and not bound by a keyboard and mouse. Open your eyes and look past what you already know from the classical computer model. It will most certainly disappear. Why not help it move along by adopting the finger based UI.

That is why I support apple's move to boycott flash, as a vast number of flash based programs require things like mouse over etc.

Think different.