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Apple's Focus on iPhone OS 4 Diverting Resources From Mac OS X 10.7?
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+1.. I'd like to see a touch sensitive photoshop Mac which also supports Wacom-like pressure sensitive styli.. That would be nice for a wide range of productive tasks..
No way would i accept *just* touch controls though. Unless it's so far in the future that we've evolved pointy pencil-like fingers. Creepy.
2 or 3 people??? Do you even know what it takes to maintain an opertating system?
Sorry but your way out of touch. You're complaining that they can't keep their OS updated? Since YOU mentioned MICROSOFT Have you seen MICROSOFTS OS Releases? Notice how many more major OS X releases there have been compared to Microsoft major OS releases in last 10 years.
If for some reason it still doesn't compute than go ahead and install windows 7 on your thousands of dollars of apple hardware.
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To me, that's what the first iPad should have been. Either that or a MacBook Touch
jreuschl said:Maybe Apple will release an iPad Pro featuring 10.7
To me, that's what the first iPad should have been. Either that or a MacBook Touch
Shockingly, I did know that! Do you know anything about either the quality or the quantity of what came out of that? I do!
Are you claiming that there are no fora full of people with axes to grind complaining about bugs in Windows 7? That would be quite a claim! I also find it interesting that when challenged, you fell back on "yeah, a lot of people complain about it here" without getting into any specifics. It also only addresses "stability", when your original claim also mentioned other areas such as "power". Can Windows 7 bench press 30kg more than Snow Leopard? I'm curious!
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Perfect. iPhone copy-cats working on the iPhone. They would run it into the ground just like their company.
ten-oak-druid said:
Perfect. iPhone copy-cats working on the iPhone. They would run it into the ground just like their company.
+1.. I'd like to see a touch sensitive photoshop Mac which also supports Wacom-like pressure sensitive styli.. That would be nice for a wide range of productive tasks..
No way would i accept *just* touch controls though. Unless it's so far in the future that we've evolved pointy pencil-like fingers. Creepy.
This isn't aimed at you... I agree with what you're saying. I'm just curious where this strawman is coming from about "just touch". Nobody reasonable (and nobody in this thread, period) has said anything to remotely suggest that touch will always and forever be the only interaction. Just to take the most obvious example, it can never account for heavy text entry (not to say that the keyboard will remain as we know it, but touch as we know it won't be the replacement either).
A lot of professional users need pixel-by-pixel accuracy. But never mind, you already pointed that out in your argument..
Think of the arm strain you would have by having to reach out and touch a screen during an 8 hour work day? Or the neck strain you would have by looking down at an ipad device for that long?
I disagree...our brains are quite well evolved to use tools like a mouse...one of things that separates us from animals.
It's just that it's old news, the problems with Darwin/Mach kernel etc. Throw in Apple's penchant for sloppy software work, lack of bug fixes, and just...an endless list of really bad problems and you get the result you do with OSX. It's maybe the nicest looking OS out there (or not? I don't know what Ubuntu is doing these days), but it's far from the most efficient. Just go read up on the topic. OSX could use major, major work.
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pcorrado said:
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Please don't talk garbage if you don't know what you are talking about. Snow Leopard was released to thousands of developers, at a steady rate, every few months before the main release
Vista was also released to a lot of beta tasters, and look at what a disaster that was. The fact that you are getting a half decent os in the pc side finally (I contest of course that it's even half decent, but let's have it your way for arguments sake), with the registry, viruses and the usual woes I won't go into of course, doesn't mean that snow leopard is still way better in many respects. I know, I 've been using pcs for more than 20 years.
The command line never faded away completely and it probably never will. Of course it is easier to click a button than to enter a command. But with a GUI you can only do that things easily that have been prepared by the designer of the GUI. A command line lets you combine things in endless ways that suit your needs even tough your special use case has not been prepared by the creators of the command line tools. Also a GUI requires someone actually clickint every single step with the mouse every time while a command line interface enables you to create scripts and automate things in many ways.
Everyone who seriously administers servers uses the command line and many developers do, too.
Yes, most end users never use command line. But someone has to create all that "easy to use" stuff for them.
It even more obvious with keyboard and mouse: What is your preferred way to write a letter and have it on paper? A pen? A typewriter? A PC and a printer? Or is it really finger paint?
Christian
Looking "down" doesn't involve any more neck strain than looking "ahead", inherently. It's a question of workstation design.
It's possible that for pixel-by-pixel accuracy, a mouse-like pointing device will continue to be best. It's also possible (and this is supported by dozens of studies, including the one I linked to) that increasingly affordable large multi-touch displays will lead to (for example) being able to quickly, without thinking, zoom in on an area so that each pixel is comfortably touchable and deal with them directly rather than picking at them with a mouse pointer. The point here isn't that you are necessarily wrong on that point, but that the science shows that things you are discounting out of hand are in fact not so absurd.
Again, you're just flat wrong on this last point, as the research shows. We are quite well-evolved to conceive of tools, and execute that conception. That is totally, fundamentally orthogonal to the question of whether--for a particular task--a tool is better than direct manipulation. Or the question of whether, when a tool is superior, we have arrived at the best one yet (or at least close).
Moutains out of mole hills!
Really it is better to put off 10.7 than to rush out unneeded revisions. Besides as people have already pointed out SL has it's issues which they need to iron out. SL might not be fast but it is one of Apples better releases, if they can find the speed that is missing then they can build 10.7 on top of it.
Besides after being a long term Linux user I can honestly say the worst thing about Linux is that your distro gets replaced or updated every six months. Frankly this sucks. The longer release cycles that Apple has are a breath of fresh air.
Dave
Really it is better to put off 10.7 than to rush out unneeded revisions. Besides as people have already pointed out SL has it's issues which they need to iron out. SL might not be fast but it is one of Apples better releases, if they can find the speed that is missing then they can build 10.7 on top of it.
Besides after being a long term Linux user I can honestly say the worst thing about Linux is that your distro gets replaced or updated every six months. Frankly this sucks. The longer release cycles that Apple has are a breath of fresh air.
Dave
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Yeah....if I remember correctly, OS 9 was sort of overshadowed by the soon-to-come OS X.
Schizoid said:
Yeah....if I remember correctly, OS 9 was sort of overshadowed by the soon-to-come OS X.
Apple is still a computer company, it's just their focus is on mobile computing now. This shift away from prioritizing OS X development just goes to prove that they dont care about Macs anymore.
Go read up indeed. Funny advice from someone who responds with "it's common wisdom" to someone who responds with research reports from scientific studies.
More bare assertions...
Yeah ubuntu looks nice (not...) too bad half the users and more came across a massive upgrade melt down to the new version of colossal proportions, so much for the open source community...
once again, the lines of communication break down. at what point did i say "it was simple"? i didn't.
saying that iPhone OS came from OS X desktop, and that any development in one could/will benefit the other, is not the same as saying it's simple.
and if you weren't arguing against my point, then what were you doing? so you didn't like my simpleton vocabulary? my lack of technical terminology? footnotes, that's it, you wanted me to cite sources!! no?!
don't forget, you're the one who stepped up first, and called me ignorant. maybe you should've educated me on all the facts instead of leaving it at that.
that said, i admit defeat, you obviously have a much more capable vocabulary than i and are far more intellectual than i, when you say things like:
"...cross-pollination of OS codebases..."
"...minimizing of their divergences...."
"...vulgarity of your strawman..."
"...fundamentally orthogonal to the question..."
is that how you talk in real life?! how funny that would be.
maybe you should be on a forum other than MacRumors if you want to avoid peasants like me.
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Haha. I agree with the thing about XP.
Back in 2004, I bought Virtual PC for Mac, which came with XP, and ran it on a (i think) PowerMac G4. Years later (2009) I found the box, installed it on a iMac G5, updated XP to Service Pack 3, and I was up-to-date
bdkennedy1 said:
Haha. I agree with the thing about XP.
Back in 2004, I bought Virtual PC for Mac, which came with XP, and ran it on a (i think) PowerMac G4. Years later (2009) I found the box, installed it on a iMac G5, updated XP to Service Pack 3, and I was up-to-date
Get real. I used a few two-syllable words, OMG! I'd rather boil down each of your rambling three-paragraph rants to one short phrase, so sue me. The point is: you did say it was simple:
You also repeatedly said that they are "the same OS". This may or may not be true, depending on how you're defining "OS". Without context it's a fairly meaningless assertion about two environments that do in fact differ a great deal.
I agree. The problem is that Apple's ultimate concern is the bank not the OS
How many tens of billions of dollars does Apple need before it decides to invest back into itself. Hiring some more people is in the tens of millions which isn't even a hint of a hint of a dent for Apple.
I agree with you. While Snow Leopard improved on some things, some other things felt like I just downgraded.
http://www.apple.com/jobs/us/corporate.html#applications
Funnily enough, they are hiring, and always are. What you're really advocating, I imagine, is throwing a few hundred people at an ongoing project at a very late date. It's been known since at least the mid-1970s that this never, ever works, but manager types keep trying it anyway... luckily Apple on this count is smarter than most software companies.
People who were so used to drawing perfect circles with command line laughed when someone said they would have to draw circles with a mouse because they didn't see that software can do most of what you wanted. With a mouse you click and drag then you have a circle. Sorry for making you feel stupid, but that's how it seems to me. I never said u would use Final Cut suite with your fingers. You come from the group of people who want full blown windows 7 or snow leopard exactly how it is now on a finger based tablet. That is stupid. Final Cut suite can be rewritten for finger input so that your productivity would increase many many times. You just lack foresight.
Again, someone else who didn't read what I meant about a finger based UI for personal computing. You don't use ANY of the current programs that have been written for mouse and keyboard especially autocad, final cut, photoshop. It's stupid to think you would. They would have to be slightly modified. Plus don't only think of an Ipad, think of a thin 30" screen or bigger even. It's not that far fetched and it's not that far in the future. To migrate such large programs might take a while, but if you stay and think about it, once it's done, very few would go back to the old way. Who here would go back to using a nokia n97 after using an iphone? Pressing down down down across across across select just to view something that is already on your screen as opposed to a flick and tap or just a tap now seems like the most unintuitive way to have done something in the first place. Think of how many less steps you would have to do in autocad for example to zoom in and rotate a 3D drawing. You have to navigate your mouse to a button, click a few times, navigate your mouse to another button to click a few time or select from a drop down menu etc as oppose to pinching anywhere on the screen then using 3 fingers to rotate and 4 fingers to reposition your view.
Again i have to iterate, you wouldn't use fingers on current programs. You would have to reorganize the UI so that things are accessible. using your finger can become very very accurate. Right now maybe not... the same way a track ball mouse can not compete with a laser mouse in accuracy.
The way I see a mouse and keyboard is the same way i see chopsticks, there are people who are absolute masterful ninjas with them. They can catch flies and pick off it's legs individually with chopsticks very very very efficiently, but for someone who hasn't been brought up using chopsticks, it can be a serious chore until they become a natural.
Fingers on the other hand are super intuitive to use and even with fingers you can rip off individual legs off a fly no matter how stubby your fingers are.