Apple's Foldable iPhone Rumored to Feature Unrivaled Battery Life

[Farquar]

Because much of the weight in an iPhone is due to the battery and Apple is claiming unrivaled battery life in the foldable. The battery is claimed to be 5,500 mAh in size which is large and much heavier than the battery in the Air.

The device is at least 2 iPhone Air together. So yes, it is heavier than the Air. Did this need to be said?

 

[bushman4]

Seems like 18 Pro models will have better cameras and features than The fold.
Let’s see Apples spin on the fold after 7 years of patents and development. I’m hopeful we’ll all be pleasantly surprised

 

[Farquar]

But it isn’t worse

Face ID is very good but completely useless if it’s not in your hand. On a desk? Awful. On the sofa? Awful.

Touch ID will be far superior no matter if the phone is in your hands or not

You’re basing your theory here on the Touch ID on iPads. It don’t be like on iPads. It will be a side finger print scanner it will be far easier to use that any iPad with it on

I'm not "basing any theory" on anything. I'm telling you, objectively, that side button touch ID is terrible. It doesn't matter if you want the foldable. It doesn't make side button touch ID any less terrible.

Touch ID worked fine when the iPhone had a Home Button because you needed to touch that anyway. The same natural gesture, that was already required, authenticated you with zero additional effort.

Face ID of course blows that away because all you have to do is look at the device, which you have to do anyway in order to...you know...use it. A fact that is somehow lost on people obsessed with unlocking it in their pocket or otherwise not in their hand.

I can see by your last sentence though that this is going way over your head.

 

[The Game 161]

I'm not "basing any theory" on anything. I'm telling you, objectively, that side button touch ID is terrible. It doesn't matter if you want the foldable. It doesn't make side button touch ID any less terrible.

Touch ID worked fine when the iPhone had a Home Button because you needed to touch that anyway. Now the same natural gesture, that was already required, authenticated you with zero additional effort.

Face ID of course blows that away because all you have to do is look at the device, which you have to do anyway in order to...you know...use it. A fact that is somehow lost on people obsessed with unlocking it in their pocket or otherwise not in their hand.

I can see by your last sentence though that this is going way over your head.

Your whole post is on THEORY! You are basically basing your whole perception on iPads and not how fingerprint scanners work on Foldables

They flawlessly on all Foldables and will be no different on this foldable iPhone

Is there anything wrong with Face ID? No

It works fine but it is certainly not the all be all like
You are claiming.

Yes Face ID works by just swiping up…just like using your finger works just as fast on any other smartphone.

As mentioned the downside to Face ID is it’s not usable on a

Desk
Table
Sofa

You shouldn’t need to pick your phone up for every task

It’s why fingerprint scanners is generally what people prefer but iPhone users are programmed now to think Face ID is god because Apple said this is all you can use.

 

[kyykesko]

Because in reality Face ID or Touch ID doesn’t really matter. One isn’t any better than the other. Just a different layer to unlock

For you. I don't want to go back to Touch ID.

 

[Viddrumr32]

I think the point of the post was just that it would be class leading compared to other foldable's that are currently on the market. I doubt the Apple Fold will get substantially more battery life than let's say the 17 PM, but it would be a good start. If I can get "all day battery life" from Apple first generation foldable iPhone I would count that as a win in my book.

I suppose I just dislike the use of “unrivaled battery life” in the headline. Increased capacity is good but will it be enough to offset the larger screen? First gen products are not usually known for great battery life so I’m very skeptical. I would think it wise to temper our expectations.

 

[leonremi]

Absolute clickbait article.
Of course the thing will have a big battery…to drive a screen twice as big.

 

[leonremi]

For you. I don't want to go back to Touch ID.

Do you have any specific reason?
Arguably, Touch ID is even safer in a world where cops play fast and loose with face recognition.

 

[darngooddesign]

Came here to comment the same. Not sure how a marginally larger battery is going to exceed current iPhone battery life when the Fold is powering an extra 2 screens. Wouldn’t we expect almost double the battery capacity?

It only powers one of the screen at a time.

 

[contacos]

My Oppo Find N5 has a nearly 6,000 silicon carbon battery and it's amazing. It also fast charges at 100. It's back at 85% by the time I am done in the bath room in the morning.

I also don't mind TouchID to come back. FaceID never works for my in summer with my sun glasses or in winter when I am wearing a big hat and scarf. In a perfect world we'd have both options like many Androids do

 

[darngooddesign]

Your whole post is on THEORY! You are basically basing your whole perception on iPads and not how fingerprint scanners work on Foldables

If Apple uses TouchID, its going to be the iPad's power button TouchID so that is 100% relevant to this discussion.

They flawlessly on all Foldables and will be no different on this foldable iPhone

Is there anything wrong with Face ID? No

It works fine but it is certainly not the all be all like
You are claiming.

Yes Face ID works by just swiping up…just like using your finger works just as fast on any other smartphone.

I would say that Facer ID has slightly less friction because I can pick my phone up with any hand and in almost any orientation and it unlocks.

As mentioned the downside to Face ID is it’s not usable on a

Desk
Table
Sofa

You shouldn’t need to pick your phone up for every task

Ive used it in all three situation and I dont need to pick it up. If my iPhone is laying on the desk, all I have to do is tilt it up around 15deg and FaceID unlocks.

It’s why fingerprint scanners is generally what people prefer but iPhone users are programmed now to think Face ID is god because Apple said this is all you can use.

Ive had both iPhone TouchID and FaceID, I prefer Face based on my actual experience not because Apple told me to.

 

[k1121j]

Can we stop saying crease free or virtually crease free it’s gonna have a crease.

 

[darngooddesign]

Can we stop saying crease free or virtually crease free it’s gonna have a crease.

It will be crease-free.

 

[Tyler O'Bannon]

It’s probably going to have to be measured in length on the small screen, length on the big screen, and then estimated based on average use cases. Much like the city/hwy gas mileage. If you use the smaller screen more, you’re gonna get longer battery life and if you use the bigger screen more, you’re gonna get less

 

[paradox00]

I'm not making any assumptions. Looking at your phone to unlock it is objectively better and superior than fumbling to rest your finger on the side of the device in a certain way. Full stop. This is not up for debate. Just because the minority of people's anecdotal experiences with either have some variation does not mean anything.

Some people have rare poor experiences with Face ID and write off the entire thing as a result. Others want the foldable and are willing to make weak excuses for its trade offs.

That said, yes the physical realities you mention present challenges. The decision is whether those challenges should stop the production of the product or not. I believe that with someone other than late-stage Tim Cook at the helm, they would have decided differently.

Tablets are used in more varied scenarios than a phone. FaceID doesn't work flat on a table, at an angle held further from your face than a phone, and holding in portrait or landscape can mess it up depending on camera orientation. Both FaceID and touch ID can work differently for people of different skin tones and facial features, etc. I prefer FaceID too, but I won't make the mistake of calling it objectively superior, there's always going to be an element of personal preference born out through experience.

As far as TIm Cook not being a product guy, I agree, although I don't think the authentication method really matters in making a go or no go decision for the product. Fallback to a PIN isn't that bad imo, which is what we get when either of these methods fail.

 

[Chazak]

But it isn’t worse

Face ID is very good but completely useless if it’s not in your hand. On a desk? Awful. On the sofa? Awful.

Touch ID will be far superior no matter if the phone is in your hands or not

You’re basing your theory here on the Touch ID on iPads. It don’t be like on iPads. It will be a side finger print scanner it will be far easier to use that any iPad with it on

Nope. Ask any cyber security engineer why Face ID protects you and doesn’t require tfa. Ask the banks and financial companies too. Your convenience is more important? Getting off the sofa is a problem for you L

 

[The Game 161]

Nope. Ask any cyber security engineer why Face ID protects you and doesn’t require tfa. Ask the banks and financial companies too. Your convenience is more important? Getting off the sofa is a problem for you L

Awful take, those same companies had no such issues when all iPhones used Touch ID. Banks? Works well with Touch ID and all fingerprint scanners. Financial companies? Again same Touch ID works just fine with all these brands

Security wise Face ID or Touch ID there is little difference.

It’s not about getting off the sofa. Fingerprint scanners are simply more versatile than what Face ID offers

I don’t care what I use Face ID or Touch ID not one isn’t any better than the other

 

[The Game 161]

If Apple uses TouchID, its going to be the iPad's power button TouchID so that is 100% relevant to this discussion.

I would say that Facer ID has slightly less friction because I can pick my phone up with any hand and in almost any orientation and it unlocks.

Ive used it in all three situation and I dont need to pick it up. If my iPhone is laying on the desk, all I have to do is tilt it up around 15deg and FaceID unlocks.

Ive had both iPhone TouchID and FaceID, I prefer Face based on my actual experience not because Apple told me to.

Difference is Touch ID on iPads are at the top. It will be at the side here and should be more dependable than any current iPad Touch ID

As for being on a desk. You still need to be on top of it for it to work. It don’t just work on a desk or sofa without you holding it up. That’s a major flaw

 

[johnsawyercjs]

TouchID can be used both in the exterior display and interior to unlock while FaceID to unlock the exterior display only then unfold. This device may have both security measures which is what people have been drooling about for ages.

If Apple ever incorporates both Face ID and Touch ID into one device, my guess is it won't be before flat metalenses are advanced enough that they can eliminate the standard lenses and prisms in the Face ID module, which make up the bulk of its thickness.

 

[jz0309]

Because in reality Face ID or Touch ID doesn’t really matter. One isn’t any better than the other. Just a different layer to unlock

maybe in your reality ... in my reality, iPhone w/FaceID is 99+% reliable, iPad Air with touchid, less than 75%.
I will never get a phone with touchid.

 

[The Game 161]

maybe in your reality ... in my reality, iPhone w/FaceID is 99+% reliable, iPad Air with touchid, less than 75%.
I will never get a phone with touchid.

Again you’re comparing what’s on the iPad not what is going to be on a iPhone. It certainly won’t be the same.

 

[jz0309]

Again you’re comparing what’s on the iPad not what is going to be on a iPhone. It certainly won’t be the same.

what else would I compare, it's the only valid comparison there is today.
or are you telling me you have an early prototype of the "iPhone fold"?

 

[The Game 161]

what else would I compare, it's the only valid comparison there is today.
or are you telling me you have an early prototype of the "iPhone fold"?

It shouldn’t be compared as it won’t be at the top of the phone. The device isn’t here yet so all this is just bad assumptions

 

[jz0309]

It shouldn’t be compared as it won’t be at the top of the phone. The device isn’t here yet so all this is just bad assumptions

and your assumption that it will be different because of the location isn't bad? ok, whatever ...

 

[johnsawyercjs]

In a perfect world we'd have both options like many Androids do

The version of facial recognition on most Android phones is nowhere near as reliable as Apple's. Apple's Face ID module projects a 3D infrared dot pattern onto the user's face, that is then viewed by a separate IR camera in the module, and this allows much more secure facial recognition since it's mainly looking at our facial geometry, while nearly all Android implementations are a simple RGB (visible light) camera that can be spoofed with a photo of the user. The Android version also doesn't work well in low light conditions, while Face ID's use of infrared overcomes that issue.