Apple's Glass Roofed Retail Store Approved Without Even Discussion

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FNi said:
It's somewhat disgusting the way planning comities / local governments pander to Apple.

Reminds me of the recent Cupertino city council meeting. The 'officials' were practically gushing over Steve Jobs and showing off their iPad's - it was cringeworthy.

At least pretend you're a professional...

People are people. They like things and are partial and subjective in judgement. They aren't robots. They get happy about apple just like everyone else that isn't overly cynical and bitter about life.
 
You can try and drag up a conspiracy theory as to why it was passed so quickly, but lets be realistic here. You can say what you want about Apple, but their stores are always extremely well designed, and always take into account the architecture around them. They are not a company who knock down a building, and build a stock Apple design from scratch, they always work around what is there and make it look like it belongs. They respect the design of the original building and/or area it's in. In some cases such as that old tube station, they even rejuvenate the area around the new building! Which is exactly why i think they deserve this kind of easy access when it comes to planning permission. That's not even mentioning the tax revenue and other monies Apple bring in just by being there.
 
Is anyone curious about what will happen with that glass roof and the people inside if an Earthquake hits? I'm quite sure the architects have taken all of that into consideration... but being from TX... and having never experienced an Earthquake... I'm not so sure I would want to be inside that joint if/when one did hit... maybe I'm just being over cautious...
 
Professional? They're local government. These are your neighbors with a little bit of power, not some 5-term US Senators.

Plus, look, the buildings Apple designs look amazing, and they will bring in lots of money to the local community. Why wouldn't you kiss Apple's ass?

Plus, you've got to think that their most important job is to keep Apple in town. If, for some crazy reason, Apple decides to leave, then they are up the creek.
 
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netddos said:
Wouldn't it be hot inside?? Think greenhouse effect... I mean they will obviously use ACs...but still I don't think that's a good design....coming from Apple I expect more...

What's more...on a sunny day...I wouldn't want to feel like I'm "shopping" for products OUTSIDE...feels very cheap...feels like buying something from an illegal street merchant..

I found this post amusing.

But the glare on the screens could be a problem.
 
Corporate plutocracies and the government drones who service them
are much superior to democracy and it's messy procedures.
Magic. :apple:
 
It's somewhat disgusting the way planning comities / local governments pander to Apple.

Reminds me of the recent Cupertino city council meeting. The 'officials' were practically gushing over Steve Jobs and showing off their iPad's - it was cringeworthy.

At least pretend you're a professional...

It is anyone with money, not just Apple. Welcome to the real world.
 
Have you ever BEEN to the 3rd St. Promenade? Shopping (and life) is different when it's sunny and 72 year-round :) Shopping, dining, and living outside is what we do. Trust me, far from "cheap", it is heaven.

Hrm, 3rd Street Promenade...last time I was there, it was crowded, you had too many musicians caterwauling, and heck...wait, they're putting it next to the puzzle zoo? Okay, I'll be there as soon as it opens. :D
 
Where does the rain go?

Jobs cut a deal with a certain someone so that it will not rain on the store.

It is a sloped roof. I assume it will collect on either side and run down a drainage system just like every other building on the planet. Seriously people, this is not their first building and they are not kindergardeners.
 
What's the worry

People please. Stop speaking out of ignorance. As I mentioned in in the comments to the original story about a new Apple store in Santa Monica: think Crystal Cathedral. The Crystal Cathedral is an all glass structure in Southern California. It is not air conditioned. It has withstood numerous earthquakes. There's no bird poop visible. Not to mention it rarely gets to 80°F that close to the water.

Do some research before you comment.
 
You can try and drag up a conspiracy theory as to why it was passed so quickly, but lets be realistic here. You can say what you want about Apple, but their stores are always extremely well designed, and always take into account the architecture around them. They are not a company who knock down a building, and build a stock Apple design from scratch, they always work around what is there and make it look like it belongs. They respect the design of the original building and/or area it's in. In some cases such as that old tube station, they even rejuvenate the area around the new building! Which is exactly why i think they deserve this kind of easy access when it comes to planning permission. That's not even mentioning the tax revenue and other monies Apple bring in just by being there.

Thank you for this post. There is no conspiracy theory. I am an urban planner and I cannot agree more. I have worked for much smaller communities than Santa Monica, but if their procedure is anything like other communities, there was no reason not to put it on the consent agenda.

Here is a very simplified version of most community's process for development approval.

1. Receive a phone call from a real estate agent or developer (corporation) asking about a piece of property. Usually there are questions of what is this property zoned, is it in any special districts, etc.

2. Developer files an application for development approval. This application includes site plans, architectural renderings, landscape plan, parking plan, etc.

3. A planner in the Planning Department will review the application to see if it complies with all ordinances (landscape, architectural, parking requirements).

4. Planner meets with developer to discuss any deficiencies in application.

5. Developer resubmits plans. Planner completes another review and writes their staff report. If the proposed development meets all of the requirements, staff will recommend to the Planning Commission approval.

6. Some communities have a consent agenda where everything that already meets all of the requirements is placed on. Any Commissioner has the right to call something off the consent agenda if they want to discuss it.

I would bet that Apple met all of the development requirements so there was nothing to discuss. Apple is not like Burger King or Walmart where they have a stock store design and that is what they try to build regardless of what a community's ordinances are. Except for their indoor mall stores which are more of a stock design, Apple tries to work with the particular conditions to design their outdoor stores to work with the individual requirements each site may require.
 
Obviously the people whining and calling the local government "unprofessional" didn't bother to read the article.

The article states that if there are no questions raised, then they don't discuss anything. All of the members apparently agreed that an Apple store was a good idea so it got approved with no fuss. Simple.
 
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rjlawrencejr said:
People please. Stop speaking out of ignorance. As I mentioned in in the comments to the original story about a new Apple store in Santa Monica: think Crystal Cathedral. The Crystal Cathedral is an all glass structure in Southern California. It is not air conditioned. It has withstood numerous earthquakes. There's no bird poop visible. Not to mention it rarely gets to 80°F that close to the water.

Do some research before you comment.

Sorry I had to comment. In OC the crystal cathedral is considered inland. I know I know, you probably have some reference saying any location within a certain amount of miles from the ocean is considered close.

And it reaches 80 in OC all the time. It's not rare at all.

I have to point this out since you reprimanded someone for not doing research before posting.
 
The real shame

"It's a shame, really. That was the location of the last remaining bookstore in the West Los Angeles area. And it was a damn fine bookstore too... 3 stories worth of everything you could ever imagine. There is only one other bookstore left in the ENTIRE Los Angeles region... at The Grove."

borders going out of biz had nothing to do with apple...they declared bankruptcy all on their own. sadly, several years ago the powerhouse borders ran almost every indie bookseller out of business with volume purchasing and pricing books below what small stores could offer. one of the best managed and stores in los angeles, duttons, both west l.a. and beverly hills, was driven out of business when borders moved onto the scene, not unlike the tom hanks/meg ryan movie "you've got mail" where the big corporate squeezes out the little indie. in the real life version, the big corporate got eaten by another giant so most of them are now gone, although in my experience in four l.a. border stores, the service had dropped like an anchor, employees didn't know books or writers, and it became very very corporate = push the big sellers.

there are a lot of bookstores in l.a. still, just not most of the blockbuster types (create your own analogy about blockbuster pushing out small indie movie stores now being pushed out themselves)[/QUOTE]

it's kind of surprising that people think the city council approval voting is the first time this or any development has been discussed, city administrators briefed, plans submitted, specific legal/architectural/land usage feedback given on meeting city planning standards, permits, etc.
 
lol

There are many things you can do to glass to help counter heat and an over abundance of sunlight, these things could easily be done to the roof without people noticing. Do you really think the Apple designers have no taken this into consideration and just plan on throwing plain old regular glass on the ceiling?

Hmm... I'm not an engineer, but it seems to me that while you can do things to make glass more efficient than just plain glass, it's still not going to be as energy efficient as solid building material. You can't insulate glass (unless we have transparent insulation of which I'm not aware.

Is Al Gore still on Apple's board?
 
It's somewhat disgusting the way planning comities / local governments pander to Apple.

Reminds me of the recent Cupertino city council meeting. The 'officials' were practically gushing over Steve Jobs and showing off their iPad's - it was cringeworthy.

At least pretend you're a professional...

This Cupertino topic has been covered in another thread.

In addition to the sound counter arguments already stated as a counter to the above post I would like to say this:

I too was somewhat disgusted at watching that town hall meeting in Cupertino but a few days (a week?) later I heard a question that changed my mind.
Someone asked the councilman if their behavior is 'normal' for a municipality to give broad approval with little debate. He answered with a long blathering emotion based response about how he owned an Apple II and how Apple has been a part of the community for a long time, etc....zzzzzzzz.

What he could have said is:
"NO, that is never usually gets approved in such a manner, the vast, vast majority of the time municipalities have to beg companies to locate in their town and offer 30+ years of tax incentives, below market loans/bonds, employee training provided by the state, etc. Next (stupid) question."

Another thing, these buildings have to conform to building code so the council meetings isn't the place to ask. "what happens in an earthquake?" That is an idiotic question.

I highly recommend that everyone go to their local government council meetings...if you did, even once... I'll bet most would be significantly less surprised by what you've heard or seen with respect to these Apple office buildings or retail stores.
 
Where does the rain go?
The glass roof is probably higher in the front. The rain runs from the top down to the sides then to the back of the structure, where it drains through gutters not visible in this architectural rendering.

It's L.A. It doesn't rain much anyhow. Santa Monica averages 310 days of sun annually.
 
I hope to visit it one day.

All those times I went to NYC and I never made it to the 5th Ave store, so hopefully when I go to LA I'll remember to make a note that this is an Apple store I need to see!
 
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