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"We did a thorough investigation of ourselves and found we did nothing wrong" - virtually every publicly traded company in the first few days of news of wrongdoing. This is in the corporate damage control playbook.
Also every politician and government agency in the world. Its just a sad state of affairs.
 
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This seems more like extortion than bribery.

An Apple employee gets extorted by a government actor. That employee complies with the extortion in order to get what they are (or should be) entitled to. Another government actor charges the extortion victim with bribery. Apparently, the extortion victim should have reported one government actor's extortion attempt to a different government actor and hoped that things worked out. (They should have reported it, but they also shouldn't be held criminally liable for complying with the government's extortion. It's understandable if they didn't want to report the government's extortion. Reporting government extortion might be fraught in ways that reporting extortion by private parties might not be.)

People shouldn't need permits to lawfully carry firearms. But even if they are required to get them (which they effectively are in California, because open carry is generally prohibited), government actors should't have broad discretion when it comes to whether permits are issued to particular individuals. There should be objective criteria which determine whether particular individuals can get permits. A local sheriff's office shouldn't get to decide whether they like someone enough (or are getting enough from them in return) to issue them a permit.

Precisely why he's still employed at Apple.
 
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Earlier this week, Apple's Chief Security Offier Thomas Moyer and others were charged in an expanding investigation involving the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office over exchanging bribes for concealed gun permits, reported the Morgan Hill Times.

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According to the investigation, Santa Clara County Undersheriff Rick Sung held back four concealed carry weapons permits for Apple's security team unless the company agreed to donate 200 iPads worth $75,000 to the Sheriff's Office. Rather than reporting the bribe request, Moyer was apparently set to facilitate the tech donation until the last moment when an investigation into the situation was started.Facebook has also been linked to the bribery scheme, with officials at AS Solution, the company that provides executive protection for Facebook, pleading guilty.

For Apple's part, the company is standing by Moyer, providing a statement to Ars Technica indicating that it has investigated the situation and "found no wrongdoing."Moyer, Chadha, and the two officials from the Sheriff's Office are scheduled to be arraigned on January 11.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple's Global Security Chief Indicted in Scheme to Trade iPads for Gun Permits, but Apple Says It's Found No Wrongdoing
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Works pretty well in Europe. Much lower homicide rate overall.
The US is nothing like Europe in demographics so why would it be like the US in murder? Murder is a small part of violent crime (clearly an important part). How does Europe compare to the US in violent crime?
 
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The US is nothing like Europe in demographics so why would it be like the US in murder? Murder is a small part of violent crime (clearly an important part). How does Europe compare to the US in violent crime?
Even in the US you should break crime statistics down by locality, ethnicity, and/or income. For example, in the suburb I live in violent crime is basically 0 (we don't attack each other or other people), while property crime is relatively high (people come here to steal our stuff).

Ideally crime rates would be broken down by income level, because that's information you can use that doesn't violate any civil-rights style sensibilities.
 
Weird, why would you agree to a bribe when you could just report it and get your permit legally (and cheaply)?
You can’t. California is a “may issue” state, meaning that even if you pass all the qualifications for a concealed weapons permit, it is up to the discretion of the sherrif of each respective county to issue the permit. Hence the quite obvious avenue for abuses of power such as bribes, favoritism, etc.
 
The US is nothing like Europe in demographics so why would it be like the US in murder? Murder is a small part of violent crime (clearly an important part). How does Europe compare to the US in violent crime?
What aspects of demographics do you think differ most? Age distribution? Racial separation? And I'm not sure how you would relate other violent crime to rates of gun ownership? Would lower numbers of rape for example indicate that more guns help there or the other way around that fewer guns would help there?
 
Yup, freedom and the right to defend yourself is not free, everything comes at a cost.

It's easy to say that you don't need a gun until that day when you need a gun, that is why the elites have both guns and security.
What freedom do guns buy you that couldn't be achieved with fewer guns? Are politicians less likely to pass certain restrictions because they fear being threatened personally by people with guns? Or how many times has the threat of an armed insurrection against the government affected politics?

Guns are like fast or big cars. They make you feel 'stronger'. But they don't make you free.
 
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Looks like plenty of Californians are excessing their 2A if you ask me. I don't know why everyone's accusing the California Libs (!!) of trampling their rights. We've got plenty of guns, and we shoot people here.


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2nd Amendment alive and well in California!

 
What reedom do guns buy you that couldn't be achieved with fewer guns? Are politicians less likely to pass certain restrictions because they fear being threatened personally by people with guns? Or how many times has the threat of an armed insurrection against the government affected politics?

Guns are like fast or big cars. They make you feel 'stronger'. But they don't make you free.

The freedom to defend myself against those who would try and take that which is mine or harm those close to me.

The freedom to defend myself against an oppressive government. Granted, this has not been an issue here in the US in a very long time but once you disarm the population you remove their ability to revolt against an oppressor. All you need to do is look back on the history of populations that were disarmed or never allowed to be armed at all and I am talking about over the course of human history, not the past 50 years.
 
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What reedom do guns buy you that couldn't be achieved with fewer guns? Are politicians less likely to pass certain restrictions because they fear being threatened personally by people with guns? Or how many times has the threat of an armed insurrection against the government affected politics?

Guns are like fast or big cars. They make you feel 'stronger'. But they don't make you free.

Sure they don’t.🙄

But even you can surely agree that they make this far less likely to ever happen. And the serial mass murders of innocent people by their own governments dwarf any harm you might lay at firearms in the hands of the peaceable and law-abiding. The peaceable and law-abiding don’t let this happen, to themselves or other innocents.
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Curious the massive correlation between those who long for an all-powerful government and those who wish to eliminate firearms used for protection of our persons, our families, and our societies.🤔
 
I think it is funny because practically every large company I have ever worked for required every employee to go through extensive ethics training emphasizing how even just the slightest appearance of wrongdoing was grounds for punitive actions or dismissal.
 
Looks like plenty of Californians are excessing their 2A if you ask me. I don't know why everyone's accusing the California Libs (!!) of trampling their rights. We've got plenty of guns, and we shoot people here.


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Care to provide a demographic breakdown? 🤔
 
The freedom to defend myself against those who would try and take that which is mine or harm those close to me.

The freedom to defend myself against an oppressive government. Granted, this has not been an issue here in the US in a very long time but once you disarm the population you remove their ability to revolt against an oppressor. All you need to do is look back on the history of populations that were disarmed or never allowed to be armed at all and I am talking about over the course of human history, not the past 50 years.
1) People think they’re protecting themselves, but many a gun owner has had it used against them. Many are also stolen and used in crimes.

How many homeowners (successfully) use a gun to protect themselves, compared to the number murdered by a family member with it! Any stats?

2) Anyone who thinks a bunch of John Q Publics could ever fight the US military are quite mistaken, imo. If it comes to that we’re screwed, and armed counter-resistance won’t do crap.
 
Why does Apple get to have armed security? I thought guns were bwad though 🔫
Since you seem unaware tech companies changed the gun emoji to a water pistol because lawyers in court were managing to successfully argue that the gun emoji constituted a threat. Apple wasn’t the only one to change it.
 
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