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Apple's Global Security Chief Indicted in Scheme to Trade iPads for Gun Permits, but Apple Says It's Found No Wrongdoing
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No, I do not have stats on successful defense of ones home and person versus those who failed in the attempt. I would rather have the chance to defend myself versus none at all, thats why I am trained on my firearms and self defense.
That's what was once said about our chances against the British. Remember that little spat involving one of the greatest armies in the world at the time versus a rag tag bunch of local militias? Oppressors think twice about trying to subdue someone who can defend themselves. But please, lie down and die, that is your choice.
You don't need concealed carry permit to be armed security. You get license and training through the state. He probably wanted CCP for his buddies for personal reasons. In normal states getting CCP is simple process, but in California it is convoluted process.
My question wasn’t homeowners who successfully defend themselves vs those who fail. Rather: How many homeowners (successfully) use a gun to protect themselves, compared to the number murdered by a family member with it.
No, that was never said about the Revolutionary War; there was no US military then. I’m talking about the real world, now. Not the way things were centuries ago.
Different statistics show that weapons are used 500k to 3 million times per year. That does not mean that shots were fired in those scenarios, just drawing and showing weapon was enough in those cases.
And regarding fighting US military. Rag tag insurgents in Afghanistan defeated Soviets and then kept our forces busy. And from what I see we still did nit defeat them. Plus I don't see US Military fighting civilian population in the US. Troops will either fail to to follow orders or military will just remain neutral.
Ug, I doubt anyone has those numbers as a comparison. I did try to quickly find references but did not. My guess is it is heavily weighted in favor of home defense vs in home homicide.
Expanded Homicide Data Table 10
ucr.fbi.gov
I believe the above shows murder victims in the USA in 2018, it shows relationships of victim to offender, so of the 14,123 murders in the US you can see the ones likely to be in the same house, though this is not tracked as it could be the adult child living elsewhere that murdered parents or siblings in a different house, etc., nor does it track the number of those household that had a gun in them or how many of the homicides were even by gun. My point is that is a really small number as compaired to the population of the US. I think it a reasonable arguement that there are FAR more burglaries/home invasions than that and a certain number of those were successfully thwarted, whether by someone simply being there or by someone being there with a weapon.
Ug, I know that, what I said was that a rag tag bunch of local militias ended up defeating one of the greatest armies on the planet at the time. That being said I am under no illusion that the common person with a 9mm handgun and 1 box of bullets can hope to stand against an organized army BUT when you add up the numbers trying to subdue the population of the United States would be a costly venture if the armed population were united under a common cause.
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Even for licensed armed security guards?!
That's a genuine question, I live in Australia, so don't understand how it works in California. We are a very low gun country, but we do have armed security guards (most security guards here are un-armed, but a very few are armed and need a special license and training for it). So I am finding it confusing reading this story, and want to know:
1) Surely you can have armed security guards there without concealed weapons?
2) Why on earth does apple want security guards WITH concealed weapons?
3) If there is a legitimate reason (e.g. plain clothed protection for important people), then why on earth did they need to pay bribes to get such a license???
It has happened once before in the Civil War and some areas still don’t realize they lost.
Without confirmation of this fact, I still think what you just stated is almost certainly the case. Either personal buddies within the company, or even more likely, he was doing favors for Apple execs who just wanted CA CCPs, which in addition to allowing personal protection when out in public, also carry a perverse cachet in CA simply as something that most people, average people, can’t get. (Leftists are like this - they derive pleasure not merely from goods, but from seeing others denied those same goods. Regular people are damned endlessly for causing global warming with their humble cars by the same folks who send private jets to pick up their kids at college.)
The shooters, but regardless, the resulting numbers wouldn’t differ much between either case.
Note that California doesn't allow open carry. No permit for that either.
And when it was written, regulated didn't mean "controlled". Also read what it refers to militia or guns? So what escapes many people is what it actually means. Read Miracle at Philadelphia if you want more insight vs sound bites.
It would be like outlawing murder and then 200 years later having another definition of murder that included drinking water.
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I find it hilarious (in a bitter sarcastic way) how your post gets only downvotes and angry reactions.
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There's no way that undersheriff was that stupid. It would be helpful to read the indictment, but it's probably sealed... I get the idea the media (Morgan Hill Times) is omitting some facts here or just doesn't know the whole story.
Seeing the context of the article, I can see why MR held off reporting on the story when it first hit the airwaves, they were waiting on Apple to investigate, find that Moyer had done nothing wrong which would then allow MR to post a positive article about a senior Apple employee rather than a negative one.
The indictments aren't going to tell us much beyond what the charges are.
Other media outlets were reporting a statement from Apple a couple of days ago, when the news broke. Apple apparently had already investigated the situation itself. I don't think that's why MacRumors waited.
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Within the US, the gun murder rate correlates most closely with the overall murder rate. Neither of those correlate with gun ownership % if you go by state, and in fact there's an inverse correlation by city. As someone else said, different areas, different people.
As for speech, I'll put it this way: The level of restriction you guys have could never be enforced here without a rebellion.
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