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For Xcode - doesn't exist on iPad.
For Final Cut Pro - doesn't exist on iPad.
For multitasking many apps - doesn't work like that on iPad.
For Photoshop incl. Adobe RAW - there isn't real proper Photoshop on iPad.

Do I really need to list them all?

For the Apps I use on iPad I haven't needed more than 4GB yet. Maybe an upgrade to 6 would be nice. Hell even 8 if it's free. I mean why not. But I don't get why people would pay $$$ to get 16GB RAM (and 1 or 2TB SSD) if it isn't used by any apps out there.
Your list is a useful indication of your needs but have you really thought it through?
XCode and FCP are very tricky to use on a 27” single screen and although Photoshop works on a single big screen, they all need a lot of screen real estate that just doesn’t exist on an iPad.
Serious people need serious hardware with a big screen or multiple screens.

So I ask you, what macOS app/apps would you ditch a Mac for, if it ran on an iPad?

I can’t think of one that doesn’t already.
 
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But they use the same hardware, exactly the same
well, if iPad Pro can use macOs, I cannot figure out why I need buy a Macbook Air or even a Macbook pro. iPad Pro then will have mini-led, touch screen, pencil. The only advantage from a Macbook Air is 2 USB-C ports.....
 
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Exactly, they’ll never do it. Right now people are buying three devices (iOS, iPadOS, and macOS). Why make it so they only give money to Apple for two devices (iOS, macOS)?

They’re going to cash in on this three device setup for as long as possible.
 
For Xcode - doesn't exist on iPad.
For Final Cut Pro - doesn't exist on iPad.
For multitasking many apps - doesn't work like that on iPad.
For Photoshop incl. Adobe RAW - there isn't real proper Photoshop on iPad.

Do I really need to list them all?

For the Apps I use on iPad I haven't needed more than 4GB yet. Maybe an upgrade to 6 would be nice. Hell even 8 if it's free. I mean why not. But I don't get why people would pay $$$ to get 16GB RAM (and 1 or 2TB SSD) if it isn't used by any apps out there.
again, this is because the product event(aka spring loaded) came before the yearly software event(WWDC), so i would wait with those arguments. There is a pretty high chance they will arrive.

but yea, they should improve ipadOS system ASAP.
 
with that said, any chance a major portion of the ram like the 16 gb version, would be allocated for storage
management?

they did mention 2x faster storage, so maybee?
 
All he's saying is that they won't merge the product lines. That doesn't mean there won't be one (or more) convergent devices, like an iMac with a touch screen.

Such a device wouldn't obsolete the use cases for which an iPad is perfect for.
 
We just would like to have the choice of an iPad equipped with macOS, so we can get a sort of surface tablet-like device that would actually be the computer you can use anywhere as opposed to the half-ass solution that is iPadOS for computer work that is, iPadOS def has it's purpose in the tablet world but it doesn't in the hybrid laptop/tablet world that the iPad Pro seems to be in.
 
I see a lot of people who are either rooting for or against some kind of convergence or dual boot arguing out its likelihood or unlikelihood. But that makes me suspect these may all be utterings of wishful thinkers tainted by confirmation bias!
So I’d love to hear more opinions from those who have no horse in the race, or maybe even better, those who believe their horse is going to lose.

I’m not sure if I have a horse in the race, haven’t thought enough about what I want. But in attempting to look at this convergence question rationally, I think the first thing to look at are the fundamental philosophies or purposes behind each product. As far as I can tell, iPads are made for ultimate ease of use, Macs are made to be the ultimate tool. It seems to me that those two are opposite ends of a spectrum and cannot converge without compromising each other. Extreme ease of use and extreme robustness always seem to be antithetical in life.
So what I think has been happening since the iPad came onto the scene, is iPads have been pushing the boundaries of adding function while keeping its core identity of ease of use. And Macs have taken cues from the iPad and learned how to make certain things easier and more intuitive while still being focused as a tool. Each are readjusting their balance in light of each other, but still unable to veer far from their main identity.
So that’s convergence, what about dual boot? That I think is slightly more possible because it’s literally just putting the two together side by side, not convergence. But I’d still say that it’s unlikely. However, this is just an impression or a feeling. I think to talk about this confidently requires much more technical knowledge than I have. But my impression is that despite both OSes using the same silicon, dual boot would introduce other logistical and user experience conflicts, to the point that Apple doesn’t see it as a worthy endeavor.

I’m sure Apple isn’t sad about selling two devices, but mainly for the above reasons, I’m inclined to believe them when they say they aren’t converging. Not to mention, Apple is usually silent on their plans. The fact that they have been so repeatedly and emphatically outspoken about this to me gives their claim further credence.
I was all in on the iPad Pro but now I’m rethinking that support in light of the availability of the M1 MacBook Air and the refusal of Apple to consider running macOS apps (including Finder) on the iPad Pro. My ideal computer work environment would be a desktop Mac and a mobile device. That mobile device has always been some sort of MacBook but in the last few years I’ve experimented with the iPad Pro. As long as I have a decent net connection it is pretty workable by running a remote connection to my desktop either with Screens or lately Jump Desktop. Along with the Magic Keyboard the remote connection allows me to do whatever I can’t with iPadOS. The problem is that this solution isn’t tenable in locations without LTE or reasonably high-speed WiFi. When you need to do something that the iPad is poor at or in some cases can’t do at all, it is very frustrating and it can cost productivity.

My previous MacBook was a 2018 13” MacBook Pro. It was an ok computer but nothing great. The iPad Pro was better in most ways except the communication limitations as described. Now the M1 Air is available and it is better in every way than the Intel MBP. It is lightweight with a battery easily lasting a full day and it performs better than the old MBP. The competition for the mobile device just got a lot tougher for the iPad Pro. But the M1 iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard still has better hardware in almost every way. I was hoping that Apple would go with the M1 in the next iPad Pro for the performance and because the M1 has support for virtualization. I see virtualizing macOS as solving all of my issues with iPadOS.

The cool thing about virtualized macOS is that it doesn‘t have to change the nature of iPadOS. Only people who needed it would download it as an app. It would run in the normal iPadOS sandbox so it isn’t a security problem. The hypervisor virtualizes the hardware so the Thunderbolt/USB4 port is available. iPadOS already restricts every app to a protected file directory hierarchy so the whole Finder file system would be cordoned off from the rest of the iPadOS apps. But iCloud and access to the Files app would be available as normal for iPadOS integration.

The best part is that most of work has already been done in Big Sur. That’s why it is so discouraging to hear pronouncements like this. Why not be open to ways to solve your customers problems especially when it would have no impact on any iPad user who wasn’t interested. It only complicates the iPad when desired in much the same way that a sophisticated iPadOS app does. I want to be optimistic that Apple is thinking in these terms but statements like the ones reported here make it seem unlikely.
 
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I believe him.

Although I think each year, each will resemble each other more and more.

I think Apple has always been heading towards the Steve Jobs ‘cars/trucks’ analogy re. the iPad and the Mac.

Eventually, most consumers will prefer an iPad over a Mac/PC.

But the Mac will still need to be there to be the most general purpose and flexible platform.
 
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All he's saying is that they won't merge the product lines. That doesn't mean there won't be one (or more) convergent devices, like an iMac with a touch screen.

Such a device wouldn't obsolete the use cases for which an iPad is perfect for.
Or like a Macbook pro which has a tablet for screen...a “magic keyboard” with steroids...,so an M1 on the ipad and a M2 under the keyboard..for now just buy a tape ,Luna(or sidecar) and stick it on front of your Macbook pro M1 one Ipad pro , pay attention the protruding cameras don’t scratch the screen under.

With a macmini plus sidecar ( or some remote access to the mini you have at home such as the Chrome extension?..plus lags)
 
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I can’t wait to get my new iPad Pro, all that M1 power just to use in bed for Netflix.
It's no ones fault but yours that thats all you do with it.
We just would like to have the choice of an iPad equipped with macOS, so we can get a sort of surface tablet-like device that would actually be the computer you can use anywhere as opposed to the half-ass solution that is iPadOS for computer work that is, iPadOS def has it's purpose in the tablet world but it doesn't in the hybrid laptop/tablet world that the iPad Pro seems to be in.
Who is this 'we'? Speak for yourself not everyone else.
 
can I change volume on individual apps? can when choose an other app the previous stays active? can i use macOS apps (like vst instruments) for professional usage? so simple
 
They are already the same where it makes sense for them to be the same.

Around the release of iPad 3, I assumed that by now the choice between an iPad and a Mac would simply be about form factor. Not that they would run the same OS, but that there would be iOS versions of apps like Final Cut Pro or After Effects.
 
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I'm not asking to merge, but maybe dual boot?

Also, why does the iMac not have ultra wide selfie cam with Center Stage?

I suppose the logic is that with iMac you would be at your desk, whereas with an iPad, since it is a portable device, you could keep it somewhere, and be moving about.
 
Apple should make a Mac tablet. Not for heavy work, but the ultimate Keynote and PowerPoint presentation tool.
 
well, if iPad Pro can use macOs, I cannot figure out why I need buy a Macbook Air or even a Macbook pro. iPad Pro then will have mini-led, touch screen, pencil. The only advantage from a Macbook Air is 2 USB-C ports.....
This right here, this is the main reason why we will never see macOS on iPads, never have true phone calling on iPads, never see SIM-card slots in MacBooks, never get touch on any Mac desktops or laptops, no Face ID outside mobile devices, only ever have a limited number of ports on iPads, etc.:

If Apple were to put a ful macOS on iPads, with a UI optimised for display size and touch, it would instantly kill nearly all MacBook Air and 13" MBP sales as most features on iPads Pro are superior (better speakers, better screens, Touch and keyboard and trackpad, LiDAR, high quality cameras, etc.) but priced somewhat similarly. Most consumers are on a budget and would opt for two-for-one solution even if the macOS on iPad experience wouldn't be as optimal as on a desktop or laptop.

Apple would only put out a do-it-all "double"-device like a touch-enabled MacBook or a macOS iPad Pro if it gets to double charge us. So think iPads Pro that start at around $2000.

And to those of you that seriously think macOS wouldn't work on an iPad because the screen is too small -Why do people buy and love their 13" MacBooks? Is that 0.1" difference between an iPad Pro and a 13" MBP really the thing that suddenly makes macOS usable? You have got to be kidding me.

The best we can hope for is Apple porting touch versions of its pro apps to iPadOS. But as doing so would kill many, many MacBook, iMac, and Mac Pro sales, I highly doubt they'll do it especially since iPads have been powerful enough to run pro apps for a very, very long time.
 
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Yes, but you are erroneously discounting the preference of using iPadOS as a REASON WHY iPad users buy iPads.

Why is it so hard to accept that iPad users LIKE what the iPad is?

Only Mac users want to turn the iPad into something it is not: a Mac with an AWFUL touch layer on top that it wasn't designed to have.
Do you still want that list of things?
 
Apple should make a Mac tablet. Not for heavy work, but the ultimate Keynote and PowerPoint presentation tool.
I don't think you need a mac for that, sounds like an iPad with better external monitor integration (that can do more than just mirroring)
 
They do not say a lot there!
Clearly there are different use cases for both product types -
BUT it would be great to operate an iPad Pro in more Mac-Like manner if connected
to a keyboard and mouse (e.g. magic keyboard).

Also regardless of whether docked or not - the lack of a Filesystem and File-Selectors is really crippling the iPadPro.
The iPadPro (currently) fully sucks in file management - no "Pro" moniker will change that.
 
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