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I’m not an audiophile but I do understand that wired headphones sound better. For some sound quality is important so I understand why some would be upset by removing the headphone jack.

I didn’t really mind and have taken to the airpods so it’s not been an issue for me.

I’ve had the 7 plus and now the X and it’s not bothered me.

Interesting that some OEms seem to be really invested in keeping the headphone jack. Namely Samsung. Not only do they mention it at every unpacked event but they include some decent AKG wired headphones in the box. This year they’ve included Dolby Atmos sound to their phones. I also purchased the S9 plus and as a free gift I received a pair of Bluetooth headphones which is a bit at odds with their support for the headphone jack.
Samsung level uhd bluetooth headphones have proprietary 24 bit 96khz audio over bluetooth for truely better bluetooth sound when playing back uhq audio files.

The solo soundtrack in hd audio sounds amazing through the stock samsung galaxy music player

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Well, for me, comfort and portability are top priorities. With my Airpods, I don’t even need to plug into a device (and products like the Apple Watch don’t even have a headphone jack). Charging hasn’t really bothered me to be honest.

Would you believe I can’t even tolerate the feeling of wires snaking from my ears to my phone at this point?
Not selecting sound quality as the principal characteristic for an audio device is like picking a TV for its remote rather than picture quality.
I never wear ear buds. Apple ear buds are appallingly uncomfortable in my ears and readily fall out. Sony earbuds I had with selectable silicone covers were far superior but I still found them uncomfortable when exercising due to sweat and body heat after a while. I never feel wires with over/on ear phones and anyone who thinks it is a burden to spend a second or so plugging them in to a device has issues.
I have used Bluetooth headphones much more expensive than my gym £40 Senheissers and sound quality was comparitively poor. After initial pairing I never had issues with connecting them to my phone but they just weren't any good sound quality wise. And when watching video I was always aware of sync issues even after attempting to delay video to allow audio to catch up.
 
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Ahhh no, not regardless. You implied that the headphone jack impeded water resistance and then got called out for talking BS. You don't get to dismiss it simply because you were wrong.

We may never get the headphone jack back but I want you to know that at least I'll always have this moment, of you getting put in your place and I will cherish it forever. You know why? Because it symbolises the fact that people who spout nonsense and falsehoods will actually get called out & held accountable for their misinformation.

Regardless, glad you got the courage. Just like Phil Schiller did. Took you a whole paragraph.

It does help water resistance, not much but it does.
 
Not selecting sound quality as the principal characteristic for an audio device is like picking a TV for its remote rather than picture quality.
I never wear ear buds. Apple ear buds are appallingly uncomfortable in my ears and readily fall out. Sony earbuds I had with selectable silicone covers were far superior but I still found them uncomfortable when exercising due to sweat and body heat after a while. I never feel wires with over/on ear phones and anyone who thinks it is a burden to spend a second or so plugging them in to a device has issues.
I have used Bluetooth headphones much more expensive than my gym £40 Senheissers and sound quality was comparitively poor. After initial pairing I never had issues with connecting them to my phone but they just weren't any good sound quality wise. And when watching video I was always aware of sync issues even after attempting to delay video to allow audio to catch up.

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These are the headphones I owned prior to getting the Airpods and I don’t even touch them anymore these days.

You know what I dislike about them? Because I wear spectacles, they have the unfortunate tendency to press against my spectacle frames, which makes it very uncomfortable after just half an hour. The Sony headphones come closest - they are the most comfortable and sport the best sound quality, but still doesn’t beat the Airpods which I can leave in my ears for hours on end without experiencing any sort of discomfort whatsoever.

What surprised me was how quickly my Airpods would sour me to the experience of using wires. I hate the feeling of wires dangling everywhere and tugging on my ears or device or that I am even tethered to my device by a cable at all.

Just for fun, I took out my Sony headphones the other day. I lasted less than 30 seconds before the feel of the wire around my neck irritated me so much. Airpods really do spoil a person.
 
use of bluetooth doesn't preclude the use of headphone jack. Samsung is trying to position themselves as the vendor of options. Always have really. They've always tried to pack as many features and tweaks as humanly possible into every one of their devices. Sometimes, overdone to the point that many are useless gimmicks (who else remembers scrolling a website with their eyes).

So for Samsung it makes sense. 3.5mm jack for wired devices AND bluetooth for wireless. it allows option to their users to use whatever they want wherever they want. So what if they're giving free bluetooth devices as a promotion. that's a bonus to people who get them. The device will still have the 3.5 for those who also want wired.

Apple is taking a different approach. They only want to include a port in which they can earn revenue on (lightning) and try and steer users to buy products it can directly profit from (Beats or Airpods)

different business approach is all

I kinda see it differently.

In my opinion, Samsung is trying to position themselves as the anti-Apple. In short, Samsung (the phone aspect of it) is obsessed with beating Apple and it shows in everything they do.

For example, they kept the headphone jack because they believe it will give them an edge over the iPhone. Same with bundling premium wired headphones.

I still remember when Samsung made such a huge deal that their tablets could run flash. That advertisement sure did not age well. Their latest ad bashing the iPhone 6 was cringey as well. I think it says a lot when it featured more of a competing product than your own.

Samsung will do whatever they think will give them an advantage over Apple, and that is why they can never beat Apple (who in comparison, is simply focused on making great products, albeit based on their own interpretation thereof).

Because till this day, it’s painfully clear that Samsung still has no idea what it is they want to stand for.
 
I kinda see it differently.

In my opinion, Samsung is trying to position themselves as the anti-Apple. In short, Samsung (the phone aspect of it) is obsessed with beating Apple and it shows in everything they do.

For example, they kept the headphone jack because they believe it will give them an edge over the iPhone. Same with bundling premium wired headphones.

I still remember when Samsung made such a huge deal that their tablets could run flash. That advertisement sure did not age well. Their latest ad bashing the iPhone 6 was cringey as well. I think it says a lot when it featured more of a competing product than your own.

Samsung will do whatever they think will give them an advantage over Apple, and that is why they can never beat Apple (who in comparison, is simply focused on making great products, albeit based on their own interpretation thereof).

Because till this day, it’s painfully clear that Samsung still has no idea what it is they want to stand for.

Whether or not they are bashing, it'd be naive to think Samsung is not a formidable competitor. They've already beaten Apple currently for global market share in mobile. Apple's delay to address emerging markets may hurt them in the long run as mobile becomes stagnant and declines.
 
Whether or not they are bashing, it'd be naive to think Samsung is not a formidable competitor. They've already beaten Apple currently for global market share in mobile. Apple's delay to address emerging markets may hurt them in the long run as mobile becomes stagnant and declines.

I honestly believe that Apple faces more competition from their older iPhones than any other Samsung phone out there.

Apple has chosen to cater to the more lucrative segment of the smartphone market, and so that means smaller market share but not consequently profits. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Not to mention that because Apple owns the whole ecosystem, so they are still able to profit after the sale, from apps to music streaming subscriptions to additional accessories.

Samsung poses little threat to Apple in the larger scheme of things.
 
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These are the headphones I owned prior to getting the Airpods and I don’t even touch them anymore these days.

You know what I dislike about them? Because I wear spectacles, they have the unfortunate tendency to press against my spectacle frames, which makes it very uncomfortable after just half an hour. The Sony headphones come closest - they are the most comfortable and sport the best sound quality, but still doesn’t beat the Airpods which I can leave in my ears for hours on end without experiencing any sort of discomfort whatsoever.

What surprised me was how quickly my Airpods would sour me to the experience of using wires. I hate the feeling of wires dangling everywhere and tugging on my ears or device or that I am even tethered to my device by a cable at all.

Just for fun, I took out my Sony headphones the other day. I lasted less than 30 seconds before the feel of the wire around my neck irritated me so much. Airpods really do spoil a person.

Well it depends on whether you prioritise sound quality or comfort. The sound quality on my wired Bose is just better than the AirPods so I do use them both according to my needs. Wired isn't going anywhere till they catch up in sound quality
 
I honestly believe that Apple faces more competition from their older iPhones than any other Samsung phone out there.

How does Apple grow their mobile sector aside from creating new services for existing users to sign up on? Where is Apple's growth in mobile hardware sales going to come from? Its existing users?
 
Well it depends on whether you prioritise sound quality or comfort. The sound quality on my wired Bose is just better than the AirPods so I do use them both according to my needs. Wired isn't going anywhere till they catch up in sound quality
I agree on the first part.

Of the three, my Sony headphones offered the best sound quality, and there is no question the AirPods pale in comparison to them. Heck, I can't even hear anything out of my AirPods when I am in a moderately noisy room, such as a coffee shop or inside a train. However, they more than made up for this in terms of convenience. I can keep my AirPods case in my front shirt pocket. Taking them out or keeping them is extremely easy to do.

I have also tried wired earbuds with those padded tips but they just made the insides of my ears hurt after a while as well.

Which brings me back to my original point - the best-sounding headphones are useless to me if I can't wear them.

Looking back, the airpods to match my use case pretty well. When I walk to work in the morning, it's pretty quiet, so the AirPods deliver decent sound quality for podcasts while still allowing me to keep my awareness of my surroundings. Same when I am marking books in the staffroom. Likewise, when I am watching a movie on my Apple TV, the AirPods allow me to wear them for hours on end without any fatigue or discomfort. It's just one neat little package with just the right mix of emphasis and compromises for me.

Past a certain point, sound quality just isn't that great a priority for me, especially if it comes at the expense of comfort and ease of use. I find this is an increasingly common trend with Apple. I like their products because they so happen to focus on areas which matter to me, while the areas they do neglect (or opt not to focus on) don't really interest me.
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How does Apple grow their mobile sector aside from creating new services for existing users to sign up on? Where is Apple's growth in mobile hardware sales going to come from? Its existing users?
By moving on beyond the iPhone to the next big thing.

Having seen their recent iPhone sales, I am of the opinion that iPhone sales are more or less beginning to stagnate, as the high-end market begins to mature. That Apple chose to highlight performance improvements as one of the tentpole features of iOS 12 is like no coincidence. The reality is that more and more users are opting to hold on to their existing smartphones (many as old as the 5s or 6) instead of upgrading because they are good enough for their needs.

In the same vein, features such as iMessages in the cloud, iCloud photo library and similar cloud features is probably a nod to many users still owning 16gb or 32gb devices (which made great financial sense back then, but is looking increasingly myopic today). Past a certain point, it's easier to just get a new device with more storage, but at least they aren't left in the cold.

Indeed, replace the battery, update to iOS 12, and your iPhone 6+ is likely still good for another year or 2 at least. Heck, I could hang on to my 5s (were I still using it), still get Apple Pay via my Apple Watch and stream music via my AirPods.

Of course, this doesn't mean people will stop buying iPhones overnight, but if you are looking for growth, it's clearly not in the sales of low-end devices which hardly earn Apple any profit. So what's next?

Wearables is the obvious answer. WWDC showed a heavy emphasis on AR, which likely paves the way for a pair of AR glasses in the near future.

Apple Watch continues to gain more functionality, and it's really only a matter of time before it gains independence from the iPhone. A line of health-tracking wearables and maybe even smart clothing from Apple (weren't they rumoured to be working on a glucose monitor?) doesn't sound all that radical coming from Apple. We already have bits and pieces of the technology in place, from W1 chip, to the fabric used in the iPad Smart Keyboard, to Apple's expertise with miniaturisation.

Then there's content distribution, between News, Apple Music, their purchase of Texture, the rumoured video streaming service, revamped stocks, books and podcast apps. Apple is in a prime position to manage how content is being distributed to its users. My guess is a single subscription for news, music, video and maybe even iCloud storage?

Additional accessories in the form of the homepod, airpods, the upcoming Pro Apple headphones, and who knows what else is cooking in their labs also form a good source of supplementary income.

There's also Apple's self-driving and health initiatives. I don't know how Apple plans to monetise them, but they obviously wouldn't invest in these areas if there wasn't money to be made.

And all this works because by virtue of the iPhone, Apple has access to the best customers who have a higher propensity to spend and generally seem more amenable to adopting new Apple features.

So my answer - look to the future, not to the past.
 
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I kinda see it differently.

In my opinion, Samsung is trying to position themselves as the anti-Apple. In short, Samsung (the phone aspect of it) is obsessed with beating Apple and it shows in everything they do.

For example, they kept the headphone jack because they believe it will give them an edge over the iPhone. Same with bundling premium wired headphones.

I still remember when Samsung made such a huge deal that their tablets could run flash. That advertisement sure did not age well. Their latest ad bashing the iPhone 6 was cringey as well. I think it says a lot when it featured more of a competing product than your own.

Samsung will do whatever they think will give them an advantage over Apple, and that is why they can never beat Apple (who in comparison, is simply focused on making great products, albeit based on their own interpretation thereof).

Because till this day, it’s painfully clear that Samsung still has no idea what it is they want to stand for.
I do agree that samsung can't catch apple in terms of sales. However they do have their own ideas and designs. Edge to edge curved displays is their own design philosophy. Something they've been pushing for 4 years even though the rest of the industry hasn't followed suit. Also they were an early pioneer of larger displays and amoled.
 
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These are the headphones I owned prior to getting the Airpods and I don’t even touch them anymore these days.

You know what I dislike about them? Because I wear spectacles, they have the unfortunate tendency to press against my spectacle frames, which makes it very uncomfortable after just half an hour. The Sony headphones come closest - they are the most comfortable and sport the best sound quality, but still doesn’t beat the Airpods which I can leave in my ears for hours on end without experiencing any sort of discomfort whatsoever.

What surprised me was how quickly my Airpods would sour me to the experience of using wires. I hate the feeling of wires dangling everywhere and tugging on my ears or device or that I am even tethered to my device by a cable at all.

Just for fun, I took out my Sony headphones the other day. I lasted less than 30 seconds before the feel of the wire around my neck irritated me so much. Airpods really do spoil a person.
For someone who gets so irritated by the feel of wires around their necks, why did you keep purchasing wired headphones? Why did you not buy a Bluetooth pair?
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I agree on the first part.

Of the three, my Sony headphones offered the best sound quality, and there is no question the AirPods pale in comparison to them. Heck, I can't even hear anything out of my AirPods when I am in a moderately noisy room, such as a coffee shop or inside a train. However, they more than made up for this in terms of convenience. I can keep my AirPods case in my front shirt pocket. Taking them out or keeping them is extremely easy to do.
So your wonderful Airpods are basically useless when you are out in public locations such as a coffee shop or on public transport. The kind of places that portable headphones are ideal for. One might even say, designed for. But at least they are "conveniently" useless for you :)
 
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For someone who gets so irritated by the feel of wires around their necks, why did you keep purchasing wired headphones? Why did you not buy a Bluetooth pair?

I think he started getting irritated after trying out AirPods (wireless) for some time. Then, when he got back to headphones (wired), he realised he is getting irked by the wires.
 
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For someone who gets so irritated by the feel of wires around their necks, why did you keep purchasing wired headphones? Why did you not buy a Bluetooth pair?

That’s the first pair on the left. Jabra Move something something.

To clarify, it wasn’t until I got the Airpods and got so used to the freedom of not having to deal with wires that my own attitude towards wired headphones change. Before that, my first pair was the pair of sennheiser headphones in the middle. It was around that time my interest in getting a good pair of headphones was piqued by the tech channels I was following on YouTube and TheVerge.

Build and sound quality were pretty good, but the clamping force of the band was pretty strong, making it fairly uncomfortable to wear.

I then got the Jabra move wireless headphones (they were on offer) and the experience wasn’t really much better. The earcups were pretty hot, it was just a little too short for my head, and Apple devices seem to have a love / hate relationship with third party Bluetooth devices (as my pebble watch too could attest). I encountered frequent disconnects and pairing issues and that soured my love affair with wireless headphones for the time being.

Finally, I purchased the Sony hear.on headphones. They were much better. More comfortable to wear (though my limit was still under an hour), sound quality was superb, and I used them for a good 6 months. Of the three, this was easily my favourite.

At this point, the form factor of these headphones largely restricted their use to at home, since I couldn’t envision myself bringing them outdoors, much less deal with managing them. Outside, I stuck with the default EarPods, and well, they are what you would expect of a pair of free bundled headphones.

Come December, the Airpods were made available for pre-order, I made a leap of faith and got one, and they arrived two weeks later. Once I put the Airpods in my ears, I knew there was no going back.

The Airpods pretty much solved every single issue I had with wireless headphones or headphones in general (except maybe the sound quality).

I didn’t realise how “allergic” I had become to wires until I tried on my Sony headphones one fine day and the sensation of wires dangling from my ears to my neck to being tethered to my iPad just felt so foreign and off-putting.

And the rest as they say is history.

So your wonderful Airpods are basically useless when you are out in public locations such as a coffee shop or on public transport. The kind of places that portable headphones are ideal for. One might even say, designed for. But at least they are "conveniently" useless for you :)

I walk to work. When I leave home at 6 am, my surroundings are pretty quiet and this hasn’t been an issue. Likewise, I use my Airpods in pretty quiet environments like when I am marking in the Staff room. I also rarely take public transport. Nor do I frequent coffee shops.

You don’t miss what you don’t need. And the drawbacks of the Airpods largely haven’t been an issue for me because of my usage habits.

As the saying goes - you don’t miss what you don’t need.
 
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The Airpods pretty much solved every single issue I had with wireless headphones or headphones in general (except maybe the sound quality).
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When I used Bluetooth headphones, I cannot recall connection issues between Windows laptop or Android phones - except when I walked out of the room. But I never had both devices using Aptx, so I got lip sync issues watching video. VLC player could delay video but setting needed to be changed for different file types (I suspect), which was not convenient. And audio quality was clearly inferior to similarly priced (and even cheaper) wired headphones. As a music lover, audio quality is the most important factor in headphone choice.

I presume you are are not a music lover since Airpods lacking in sound quality does not seem to bother you.

Edit: And with portable headphones, I take it given, that I can use them in places like a coffee shop or on a train!
 
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Probably, sound quality isn't much important to him when on the move. I know for me it isn't. I like my wired audiophile headphones and speakers, but say in a car or on the move, maintaining audio quality is going to be a very costly affair. I spent quite a bit for my car because I could reasonably insulate it. But when connected to phones, AirPods are a convenient jack of all trades solution and I see why many love it.
 
I presume you are are not a music lover since Airpods lacking in sound quality does not seem to bother you.

I didn’t really start listening to music until Apple Music was released, so I guess I wouldn’t really qualify as a music lover. Even then, I don’t really use it much except as “background noise” when doing stuff. I tend to listen more to podcasts, and I suppose sound quality simply isn’t as paramount in this regard.

I think this is where Apple really shines. They seem to have a knack for connecting with the mass consumer, seemingly at the expense of the professional user who bristle at the design decisions made by Apple.
 
I didn’t really start listening to music until Apple Music was released, so I guess I wouldn’t really qualify as a music lover. Even then, I don’t really use it much except as “background noise” when doing stuff. I tend to listen more to podcasts, and I suppose sound quality simply isn’t as paramount in this regard.

I think this is where Apple really shines. They seem to have a knack for connecting with the mass consumer, seemingly at the expense of the professional user who bristle at the design decisions made by Apple.
Wait so you don't even really listen to music but keep harping on about how good AirPods are. o_O For listening to Podcasts, sure BT headphones are the way to go, no doubt. However for listening to music that annoying wire makes all the difference to audio quality.
 
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Probably, sound quality isn't much important to him when on the move. I know for me it isn't. I like my wired audiophile headphones and speakers, but say in a car or on the move, maintaining audio quality is going to be a very costly affair. I spent quite a bit for my car because I could reasonably insulate it. But when connected to phones, AirPods are a convenient jack of all trades solution and I see why many love it.

You remind me of a doctor talking to relatives about their aging parents condition as if they weren't in the room :)
 
The problem with AirPods (thank you autocorrect for capitalizing the trademark) is that they can not stay in my ears.
I need the in ear models, such as Koss the Plug, otherwise they will just fall out. Cumbersome enough with wired headphones, but with wireless and ridiculously expensive variants it will just be a pain in the butt.

I just checked one of the largest online shops in my country, and the Koss phones cost 20 dollars and the AirPods exactly 10 times as much.

Maybe i am a freak of nature, but i am sure that there are other people with similar ears. There is a reason why in ear headphones are manufactured after all.


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For someone who gets so irritated by the feel of wires around their necks, why did you keep purchasing wired headphones? Why did you not buy a Bluetooth pair?
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So your wonderful Airpods are basically useless when you are out in public locations such as a coffee shop or on public transport. The kind of places that portable headphones are ideal for. One might even say, designed for. But at least they are "conveniently" useless for you :)

Well, I’ve been using AirPods to listen to podcasts in public transport quite a lot without any major problems. Walking besides a noisy street I need to raise the volume a bit, but that’s the case with all headphones except for closed cups. In fact, I’m typing this while listening to a podcast with my AirPods in a bus.
 
Why does that not surprise me :)

You have still to explain the (in) convenience of Airpods when out in public places like coffee shops and trains.

Well, one convenience factor for me is the case that also charges the AirPods multiple times. With my other Bluetooth headsets I’ve run into situations where I notice I’m almost out of battery when leaving from work, so no podcasts for me during that commute then. The AirPods have charged themselves during the workday in their case and the case itself needs charging far less often than my other compact Bluetooth headphones.
 
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