Very fair and balanced post. However phones that decide to keep the headphone jack will always get the nod over Bluetooth only for me personally.
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Nice try Abazigal, but you know he's in the wrong.
1. Let me remind you how the conversation went:
Lilrush: "You shouldn't need a dongle".
Fozziebear71: "This guy is correct."
Technole: "Nope. People like a water resistant iphone."
Roadstar: "Somehow Samsung has managed to keep the headphone jack and even have a slightly better water resistance rating on their flagships."
Technole: "Slightly, it's not much. Regardless, the headphone jack is not coming back."
He clearly implies that water resistance is not possible with a headphone jack and that is FACTUALLY not true. Even you admit as much by saying "..Apple could very well have made a waterproof iPhone that still kept the headphone jack.."
Furthermore,
There are no alternative facts, no "Hypothetically speaking.." only proper context and unfortunately your "in this context" is not the context of the conversation in question. As such, he's wrong dead & simple.
Your attempts to attribute an alternate meaning behind his statement is actually putting words in his mouth, do you not think Technole is articulate enough and capable of elaborating his points clearly? If so then why did he not reply with a comment like yours? I'll tell you why, it's because the owner of the statement you're trying to twist knows that he truly meant headphone jacks eliminated water resistance.
2. Now onto my other point,
You do know that the waterproofing is basically just a spray on coating that literally costs 5 cents per device right? This isn't some sort of proprietary voodoo technology that requires you to sell your soul to the devil, it's readily available and easy to implement technology, but that's besides the point and not what I really want to highlight. Are you sure you want to argue that Apple, the trillion dollar company, the changers of the world & the crazy ones were impeded by waterproofing a headphone jack?! Are you seriously saying that Apple couldn't innovate a way to waterproof and thus "dropped" it because it was an "easier and cheaper" way out despite there being a "theoretical work around"?!
Damn son, why you gotta do Apple dirty like that! If you truly think this is how Apple operates and are okay with it then I fear the company that many of us fell in love has died.
3. This is fun so I'll keep going.
Apologies in advance for any spelling or grammar mistakes, I just, honest to God, can't stop laughing after reading that, and typing while laughing is harder than you'd think it is.
Sooooo, based on your words Samsung designed a phone more water resistant than the iPhone X right? So you're admitting that in that aspect Samsung designed a better device than Apple and therefore by your logic, Samsung is more innovative than Apple in this regard? Cool, noted for future reference, thanks.
Also note that you say people shouldn't assume Apple can do X while assuming Apple can't do X. Works both ways that why it's best you avoid assumptive arguments (remember assume=ass-u-me).
4. I'm not finished yet,
Gee golly mister, it sure seems that a lot of the variables you're basing your statement on are pure fantasy! Heck, while we're at it how about we make bold, sweeping statements about what all the other Apple companies are doing in all the other timelines.
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5. Lastly, let's have a heart to heart conversation for a moment about your soul.
Tell me, my brother, why did you feel compelled to reply to my comment? What were the motivations that forced you to reply and why couldn't you resist the urge of resurrecting a conversation with falsehoods and alternative facts? I ask because I care about you Abazigal and want to help.
Is it because my comment's underlining message of BS being called out threatened you? Does the idea of your words having consequences frighten you & thrust your MacRumors identity into an existential crisis? It's okay buddy, I'm your friend but you gotta admit it first so I can help you.
That's why you had to reply, isn't it? Why you couldn't resist it, because by somehow proving my statement wrong then you can tell yourself that the underlining message it carried, of words having consequences, was also wrong. Replying to my post was your attempt to fight back against a reality that scares you and as far as you were concerned you weren't going down without a fight.
IT's OKAY BUDDY, I understand, no one here is judging you, this is a safe space, you can trust me.
The lack of restraint online also implies a real word counterpart which, in this case, I would guess is probably disinhibition manifesting itself as a disregard for social conventions, impulsivity, and poor risk assessment, among other probable motor, instinctual, emotional, cognitive, and perceptual signs & symptoms.
It could even point to a deep-seated presence of Mania/Hypomania that remains undiagnosed. This would also explain the delusions of grandiosity ("I know I'm wrong but I don't care", "I need to take it upon myself to fix what's wrong with Macrumors", not my words but his people, see other posts for background).
Hmm, the fact that you chose to be a teacher is also quite revealing. You voluntarily decided to insert yourself in an environment where you hold absolute authority by default and since students don't normally question their teachers, your authority rarely, if ever is diminished. As such you are accustomed to having all the power and control. Being a teacher after all literally involves you looking down from your standing position on your students as they sit in their chairs. Perhaps you perceive having your authority questioned (directly or indirectly, like by my comment which I explained above) as diminishing your authority and therefore by extension, your self-worth hence you had to reply back. However, I think there's more going on because a lack of restraint implies 'negativity by an absence' or in other words an addiction, more specifically an addiction to authority & power.
Hypothetically speaking, I wonder why, of all the jobs you could have chosen, you decided to become a teacher? Is it possible perhaps that you sought to insert yourself in such a position of authority because you lacked an authority figure while growing up, and by becoming a teacher you could fill the void of power & control in your life? Theoretically, that could imply that your father (nature's default authority figure) was not around during your childhood (passed away/escaped/divorced)? Or was he around but you simply didn't have a close relationship? So many variables to consider IMO.
Until then though, and regardless of what may come, know that I'll always be here for you buddy, whenever you want to talk. I'm your friend and I'll always love you
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The reason that technology is still around - it is functionally superior for high quality sound. It isn't a fashion statement, as are most current Apple products - it is a great interface for sound devices. Perhaps cars should get rid of wheels. They've been around since 4500 BCE. Perhaps Apple is working on that for the Apple car.
"Did you even think your statement over before spewing that out?"
How about you? Seems that's something someone in junior high school might say.
Apple meeting:
When will the air pods be ready for market? Q3.
How many will we sell this year? 1 mill
How many will we sell if we remove the jack on iPhones? 8 mill
Remove the jack, cite courage.
iPhone 7 Apple keynote: "We are committing to going green, we have increased our green measures by 13% in 2016 alone and by 2020 we will be carbon neutral." --> number of landfills littered with apple's plastic headphones that are no longer used?
When will the air pods be ready for market? Q3.
How many will we sell this year? 1 mill
How many will we sell if we remove the jack on iPhones? 8 mill
Remove the jack, cite courage.
iPhone 7 Apple keynote: "We are committing to going green, we have increased our green measures by 13% in 2016 alone and by 2020 we will be carbon neutral." --> number of landfills littered with apple's plastic headphones that are no longer used?
Obviously it'll remain a top seller, Apple is the only company that has it's mobile devices use lightening ports and is making the gentle nudge for people to go wireless. I don't foresee many companies going out of their way to create headphones with a plug that only caters to a small piece of their market, would it be nice? Yes, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense. Until the rest of the mobile device market decides to go wireless, or whatever standard their charge port uses, we'll have to suffer all the mouth breathers on this site crying for old tech to come back.
I’m not an audiophile but I do understand that wired headphones sound better. For some sound quality is important so I understand why some would be upset by removing the headphone jack.
I didn’t really mind and have taken to the airpods so it’s not been an issue for me.
I’ve had the 7 plus and now the X and it’s not bothered me.
Interesting that some OEms seem to be really invested in keeping the headphone jack. Namely Samsung. Not only do they mention it at every unpacked event but they include some decent AKG wired headphones in the box. This year they’ve included Dolby Atmos sound to their phones. I also purchased the S9 plus and as a free gift I received a pair of Bluetooth headphones which is a bit at odds with their support for the headphone jack.
I didn’t really mind and have taken to the airpods so it’s not been an issue for me.
I’ve had the 7 plus and now the X and it’s not bothered me.
Interesting that some OEms seem to be really invested in keeping the headphone jack. Namely Samsung. Not only do they mention it at every unpacked event but they include some decent AKG wired headphones in the box. This year they’ve included Dolby Atmos sound to their phones. I also purchased the S9 plus and as a free gift I received a pair of Bluetooth headphones which is a bit at odds with their support for the headphone jack.
Have you ever heard of Bluetooth aptx? Much better quality than what Apple has, yet still interior to wired headphones/earbuds. Deflection at best though, I will give you that.
Well taking in consideration that the audio adapter is also offered in the box with every single phone they sell, reaching the Nr. 2 spot in sales is quite an impressive feat. Simple logic.
I think you read too much into things.
I reply to your comments for the same reason I reply to anyone's comments here, even if they are not directly addressed to me. I have nothing against you (despite your rather condescending and bombastic manner of replying to people, which it seems is not limited solely to myself), nor am I specifically singling you out because of some particular axe to grind.
I don't 100% agree with what you said, have a different take on the matter, and simply spoke my mind. You are free to disagree (as you are wont to do), we go back and forth, and walk away wiser for it. That's all there is to it.
The way I see it - there are a couple of reasons why Apple removed the headphone jack, and they all feed off one another.
1) Removing the headphone jack did make it easier to waterproof the phone.
2) The headphone jack had to go to enable the iPhone X form factor. They removed it from the iPhone 7 to get the controversy out of the way.
3) Apple has a vision of how they would like their users to interact with their devices, and removing the headphone jack nudged users 1 step closer to this.
There's a bit more that goes into making an iPhone water-resistant than just spraying some layer on.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...esistance-with-the-iphone-7-and-iphone-7-plus
I don't think I have ever denied that the S8 was any less water-resistant than the iPhone. If that's your definition of what makes a better phone (how waterproof it is), then yay for you.
Phones are packages of features and compromises. Different smartphones each have their own pros and cons and it's ultimately up to the individual user to decide on the mix that best suits their use case. For example, unless I regularly go deep-diving with my phone, the average consumer is largely going to be indifferent between IP67 or IP68 ratings, since both are going to allow the respective phone to survive being dropped in the toilet bowl or a light soak in the rain either way. At the end of the day, the consumer is not going to base his smartphone buying decision solely on how waterproof a phone is.
Honestly speaking? It was for the money. The economy was bad, job positions in the banking industry were drying up, the ministry was on a hiring spree for teachers, and so I decided to try my hand at teaching while waiting out this bad patch (I majored in finance in university). During this time, I found I quite liked teaching and interacting with young children, and so I stayed.
Knowing you, you will likely manage to find some way to twist this into yet another bizarre attempt at picking my mind and trying to prove that the people responding to you are crazy, inane or otherwise mentally challenged in some way.
What was that saying about he who fights monsters again?
Maybe you are unaware of how speakers/drivers work. But even the same steamed audio source, will sound better through quality headphones, than through poor quality airpods. There is absolutely no problem with listening to high quality music on your phone. Sorry if you believe that is this fine because of following Apple so blindly, but this is the reason why people call Apple Fanboys, sheep. Sometimes it's best to look outside the walled garden, and see the reality of things.
I could say the same about people who keep insisting that sound quality is the only thing which matters in headphones while disregarding pretty much every other factor such as convenience and ease of use.
I know precisely what I am getting and missing out on the AirPods, and it’s still my favourite pair of headphones for the complete package that it provides.
And I just bought an Android phone to play with that does not have a headphonejack.
#byefelicia
Sound wusli
Sound quality and comfort over extended periods, are the main factors by an enormous margin when choosing a pair of headphones. Convenience of just plugging into an audio device versus inconvenience of charging is much less important factor. Convenience of folding into a case for travelling is a medium factor.
Well, for me, comfort and portability are top priorities. With my Airpods, I don’t even need to plug into a device (and products like the Apple Watch don’t even have a headphone jack). Charging hasn’t really bothered me to be honest.
Would you believe I can’t even tolerate the feeling of wires snaking from my ears to my phone at this point?
Guess what a big reason I got an iPhone SE was?
Hint: It's not because I can't afford the iPhone X.
Hint: It's not because I can't afford the iPhone X.
use of bluetooth doesn't preclude the use of headphone jack. Samsung is trying to position themselves as the vendor of options. Always have really. They've always tried to pack as many features and tweaks as humanly possible into every one of their devices. Sometimes, overdone to the point that many are useless gimmicks (who else remembers scrolling a website with their eyes).
So for Samsung it makes sense. 3.5mm jack for wired devices AND bluetooth for wireless. it allows option to their users to use whatever they want wherever they want. So what if they're giving free bluetooth devices as a promotion. that's a bonus to people who get them. The device will still have the 3.5 for those who also want wired.
Apple is taking a different approach. They only want to include a port in which they can earn revenue on (lightning) and try and steer users to buy products it can directly profit from (Beats or Airpods)
different business approach is all
I remember eye scrolling and posted on this forum a few weeks ago that I'd find such a feature useful with a new born
Fair enough. you caught me in my own trap. I always say don't call something a gimmick if someone can find it useful... and you just did that
let me say, a lesser used feature than
To be fair I've never thought it was useful until now. I had the S4 and whilst I'm a fan of as many options as possible didn't think that particular feature was useful.Fair enough. you caught me in my own trap. I always say don't call something a gimmick if someone can find it useful... and you just did that
let me say, a lesser used feature than
I think you had once said, it was removed from the iPhone to make way for the Taptic Engine but the 6.1 iPhone to be released this year is not going to have it so what other reason can there be other than to encourage upgrades to wireless? Apple's going to have a lot of wireless audio on the market soon according to rumours.
I can't say without looking at the inside of the new phone. I'm not going to make baseless assumptions based on rumors.