Apple's Headset Will Reportedly Let Customers Create AR Apps via Siri

[citysnaps]

Also, I wouldn’t include Google Glass under the category of AR, any more than I‘d include a transparent TV with no environmental awareness, or an Apple Watch.

Spot on. Google Glass had nothing to do with AR. It was just a display and a camera that wearers could use to sneak photographs; with owners often referred to as Glassholes at the time.

 

[Jensend]

AR can be apps anchored to real world, or informatic overlays (ie notifications), or standalone apps/games that float in the viewport. There’s no singular application type that completely owns the term. The NReal, and others like it, can load apps from the smartphone that do all of these. It’s up to the app developers how they want to use it.

Sorry, last time I responded to this I somehow deleted my first statement. The NReal Air can‘t “do all of these”. It can’t anchor apps to the real world. It has no cameras to see the world. The NReal Light does.

 

[Jensend]

You, nor I, define what AR is. Headset makers and developers do.

And when their definitions conflict? I just want a definition for the purpose of this discussion. Otherwise we may be talking about different things.

 

[NEPOBABY]

And when their definitions conflict? I just want a definition for the purpose of this discussion. Otherwise we may be talking about different things.

They cannot conflict when there are multiple forms of augmented reality applications.

Google Glass had nothing to do with AR. It was just a display and a camera that wearers could use to sneak photographs; with owners often referred to as Glassholes at the time.

Augmented reality apps were developed for it. There’s a whole section in Google Glass’s Wikipedia page about augmented reality apps that were used in the medical field. Almost every tech news article called it an AR device.

The NReal Air can‘t “do all of these”. It can’t anchor apps to the real world. It has no cameras to see the world. The NReal Light does.

Email the company and tell them you are in charge of AR. You are the president of AR and will certify who can and cannot call their products AR.

You know what is really a turn off when it comes to AR and VR? It’s not just the limitations and comfort issues. It’s also whenever there is a new thread the same three people will come out defending AR/VR at all costs, swinging and arguing at everyone. Preaching is ugly. Religious devotion to something technological is ugly. Acting like a shill or marketing agent is ugly.

That’s why when the same three people show up everyone else stops posting and runs away. cya.

 

[Jensend]

They cannot conflict when there are multiple forms of augmented reality applications.

If a term is meaningful, it also has to have a category of things it doesn't include. Do you think AR includes every head mounted display that is transparent? I'm just asking your opinion. In my opinion, it doesn't (or at least shouldn't). If I attached an Apple Watch to a head mount, does it become an AR device?

If all those should be called AR devices, what should we call the category of AR devices that can show virtual objects that are anchored to the real world?

You know what is really a turn off when it comes to AR and VR? It’s not just the limitations and comfort issues. It’s also whenever there is a new thread the same three people will come out defending AR/VR at all costs, swinging and arguing at everyone.

I haven't seen that here. There are a ton of shortcomings about current and near-future AR/VR. I'm just trying to correct some misconceptions, like when people say VR isn't for them because they aren't able to focus on a screen two inches from their eyes.

Preaching is ugly. Religious devotion to something technological is ugly. Acting like a shill or marketing agent is ugly.

Where have I shilled any product? I suppose I "shill" some of the potential of the technology, but I'm not Robert Scoble.

 

[Jensend]

My opinion isn't out of the ordinary.
Norman Chan, who probably has the best coverage of head mounted displays, titled his NReal Air review
"Nreal Air Review: Don't Call These AR Glasses"

Edit: and my issue with your usage of the term AR is that you are using people's experiences with one category of head mounted displays as if it's an immutable characteristic of all HMDs. Users get "eye strain and headaches" from this device, so it will be applicable to other devices as well, even if they use a completely different technology to produce the images.

 

[Razorpit]

Still... People will reflexively grasp onto literally anything to support their beliefs that AR is really just another display. A gimmick looking for a reason to exist.

It reminds me of so many products Apple introduced and were immediately dissed before release; iPod, iPhone, iPad, Air Pods...

And then there's the Apple doesn't know what they're doing, despite collaborating for the last seven years with Stanford's AR/VR Laboratory. AR has been used commercially for years in various disciplines.

I think Apple's product will bring AR to the masses in multiple interesting ways. The potential is huge. One just needs to flex their imagination a bit. Apple will aid in that endeavor. Though no doubt some will automatically refuse to open their minds to the tech right from the beginning.

Everything you said about the future potential is true. The problem is current reality. I can’t use Siri To control 3 light bulbs and reliably run my “good night” scene when I go to bed. Siri can’t reliably call my wife when I call her “my wife”. Take a look at state of MacOS/iPhoneOS/iPadOS. They are still trying to get features shown in June working correctly or even released. The next WWDC is 4 months away.

The various Apple software teams have some serious issues to address. Not saying they can’t fix them, however I think things are going to have to get worse before they get better.

 

[citysnaps]

Everything you said about the future potential is true. The problem is current reality. I can’t use Siri To control 3 light bulbs and reliably run my “good night” scene when I go to bed. Siri can’t reliably call my wife when I call her “my wife”. Take a look at state of MacOS/iPhoneOS/iPadOS. They are still trying to get features shown in June working correctly or even released. The next WWDC is 4 months away.

The various Apple software teams have some serious issues to address. Not saying they can’t fix them, however I think things are going to have to get worse before they get better.

So far, the Siri connection/possibilities are just rumors. Though there's no doubt in my mind it will be intertwined with Apple's AR future. Writing AR apps via Siri, eh, not so sure on that. Personally I have no issues with Siri and my seven HomePods.

With that out of the way...I'm speaking about AR in general and it's potential. And it's not really potential as AR is used in many disciplines today.

 

[Razorpit]

So far, the Siri connection/possibilities are just rumors. Though there's no doubt in my mind it will be intertwined with Apple's AR future. Writing AR apps via Siri, eh, not so sure on that. Personally I have no issues with Siri and my seven HomePods.

With that out of the way...I'm speaking about AR in general and it's potential. And it's not really potential as AR is used in many disciplines today.

No offense, but if you have no issues with Siri then you are either not using Siri or I can't trust anything you say. 😉 I have not met a person that doesn't at least have some issues with the service, if not all out hate it.

Disclaimer, I regularly travel or speak to people on four of the seven continents. Maybe someone in Antarctica is cool with it? (No pun intended.) 😄

 

[citysnaps]

No offense, but if you have no issues with Siri then you are either not using Siri or I can't trust anything you say. 😉 I have not met a person that doesn't at least have some issues with the service, if not all out hate it.

Disclaimer, I regularly travel or speak to people on four of the seven continents. Maybe someone in Antarctica is cool with it? (No pun intended.) 😄

Sorry to disappoint you not reflexively bashing Siri like so many others do. But for me, using Siri to cue up and play music on my seven HomePods, it just works.

You trusting me or not, makes absolutely no difference to me! Why in the world would I care? Life goes on.

 

[Razorpit]

Sorry to disappoint you not reflexively bashing Siri like so many others do. But for me, using Siri to cue up and play music on my seven HomePods, it just works.

You trusting me or not, makes absolutely no difference to me! Why in the world would I care? Life goes on.

🤣 Unless you're playing the latest hip hop or party music, Siri fails at that even more than turning the lights on and off.

 

[citysnaps]

🤣 Unless you're playing the latest hip hop or party music, Siri fails at that even more than turning the lights on and off.

Yet. I use Siri everyday to cue up music (blues, classical, jazz, rock) everyday on my HomePods.

Not 100.0% perfect perfect 100.0% of the time. Nothing is. But perhaps an occasional minor mistake once a week, or every two weeks.

Maybe seeking guidance at an Apple Store would help you understand how to use yours?

 

[Razorpit]

Yet. I use Siri everyday to cue up music (blues, classical, jazz, rock) everyday on my HomePods.

Not 100.0% perfect perfect 100.0% of the time. Nothing is. But perhaps an occasional minor mistake once a week, or every two weeks.

Maybe seeking guidance at an Apple Store would help you understand how to use yours?

Ah so it doesn't "just work" after all. You know if you would have just admitted that earlier it would have saved us both a lot of time. Maybe you could go to an Apple Store to understand why you're not hitting that peak 100%? 🙄

 

[citysnaps]

Ah so it doesn't "just work" after all. You know if you would have just admitted that earlier it would have saved us both a lot of time. Maybe you could go to an Apple Store to understand why you're not hitting that peak 100%? 🙄

I get it. You expect 100.0% perfection 100.0% of the time. While you might be able to find that on Planet ORK, here on Planet Earth that simply doesn't exist, especially when humans are involved.

I'm fine with 99+%. I understand you require 100.0% perfection 100.0% of the time. Good luck.