Apple's Industrial Design Team Loses Three Employees

[I7guy]

Not at all. But IF, you believe that Ive is way above the average designer regarding level of skills I'd have to call you a clown.
I never mentioned Cook. You did. Stay on topic.
Again, looks around at the renders and artist impressions created by Joe average. Not even those of Apple products. You'd have to be blind to think he is even close to being alone in the world.

With Apple, it's a lot like cars.
They release a product and people tell themselves they love it even if it is average, (and a lot of their products are average).
BMW fans might look at a BM and buy one simply because it's a BM. They'll never tell you, (or even admit to themselves), that Kia have released a car that's better looking.
Certain masterpiece paintings too. People look at them and call them beautiful when they're just rubbish.
Comes down to it being not what it is, but who owns or who made it. If that Mac Mini had an Asus badge on it, hardly anybody would bat an eyelid.

It's funny you think Ive is untouchable and so far above me. Honestly, truly amusing to me.
Anyhow, I'm done with you. If you really rate him as that special I'm not sure there is anything left to discuss.

If you believe the renders and artistic impressions created by Joe average, makes these people a Jony Ive equivalent, your opinion is misinformed. That’s akin to saying the arm-chair ceos found here on MR can run Apple. Not saying he can’t be replaced, but the people at the top are there for a reason.

Anyway you are entitled to your opinion.
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Don't hate Ive or his work... I just think he's ran out of steam.

the iPhone is iconic. the iphone 4 considered one of the finest looking devices Apple's ever come out with. The iMac is iconic. several of his designs were very good at pushing the computer industry towards caring about industria design,

but somewhere, roughly the iPhone 6 era. He just stopped having anything new. the iPhone 6 looks as utilitarian, and basic designed as could be. it had absolutely none of the "Edge" that the previous designs had, and seemingly even cheaped out on things like where to put lines. The watch itself looks like nothing more than a scaled down iPhone 1 and didn't bring any new or unique artistic elements to the design. The iMac hasn't changed in what? A Decade? the laptops have also not changed except for shaving a few MM's off.

So while I think he did great work in the past. His best days are clearly behind him and he's either fresh out of ideas, or he's bought into his own cool-aid. What I think makes people hate him, is when he talks. He's pompous. Arrogant. Self absorbed. And he uses overly "flowerly" language and power words to form massive sentences to describe himself and his work, that mean absolutely nothing when you actually analyze the words.

So yeah, I truly do agree that Jony's time is done and he needs to retire off into the sunset. Get fresh blood in the doors. Get fresh new ideas. Get some new design direction and directive and start looking towards the next 10-20 years of design elements instead of riding the 10 year old ones that he seemingly doesn't have an idea to update or move on from

Don't think Jony Ive is going anywhere. Current management is has been in place for a while, it is time though for some thoughtful turnover. New blood is always needed to keep the fire burning, but I don't know if Jony Ive agrees with you that he has run out of steam.

 

[SeattleMoose]

Is there anyone over 30 who is worth keeping?
Just watched "Logan's Run"...zap!!!

 

[vkd]

Pick up was not meant physically
I guess you are not much into philosophy

Ah, I get it now. You're just doing word-jugglery.

 

[ignatius345]

The vast majority of MacBook Pro users have no problem with the keyboard. Many say it's the best keyboard they've ever used. A great example of overblown forum talk.

If even 2% of users had their butterfly keyboard fail, that's a colossal failure. Apple instituted an extended warranty program for the butterfly keyboard. They don't just do that out of the goodness of their hearts. That doesn't sound like "forum talk" to me.

And maybe you missed this: https://www.wsj.com/graphics/apple-still-hasnt-fixed-its-macbook-keyboard-problem/

You remember all the failures of the previous generation of Macbook keyboards? All the articles about how many people hated typing on it and how easily it broke. Yeah, me neither, because it just worked.

 

[DrD69]

Ah, you beat me to it. Immediately on reading the article, I wanted to vent my frustration at this pathetic "form ahead of function", that robs us of good keyboards, and stops them giving matte anti-glare screens to those that need them.

Good riddance to these people. Glad their names are published. Name and shame them.

This is unreal.... if you don’t like the keyboards then surely you would have discovered you didn’t like the feeling in the store? There are plenty of other laptop options out there if you don’t like the keyboard and need to have plenty of USB ports , DVD drives etc.. why not just get one of those?

You are making a huge assumption that these 3 individuals are responsible for producing the keyboard which has evidently ruined your entire life. Take a deep breath and go and buy a pc laptop that is 50mm thick has 25 ports and with a Matt screen. While you’re at it get an android phone that is 3/4 of an inch thick has a 3.5mm jack so you can connect your 20 year old stereo. Then maybe log out of here go and hang out at samsungrumours.com and talk about how great life is for you now.

A lot of people trolling on here which is interesting but not surprising. A lot of people are saying they haven’t changed the phone design at all for ages. Well prepare to be disappointed for the rest of your unsatisfied lives because most mobile phones for the foreseeable future will be rectangular in shape with a screen on one side and a camera that could poke out a bit as they try and deliver intense results with tiny optics. Unless of course you go for a folding phone, but you wont see me with one as I like holding a phone with one hand.

 

[groove-agent]

The vast majority of MacBook Pro users have no problem with the keyboard. Many say it's the best keyboard they've ever used. A great example of overblown forum talk.

Scrub to 0:47.

 

[Roadstar]

Ah, you beat me to it. Immediately on reading the article, I wanted to vent my frustration at this pathetic "form ahead of function", that robs us of good keyboards, and stops them giving matte anti-glare screens to those that need them.

Good riddance to these people. Glad their names are published. Name and shame them.

Whoa there, don’t be too quick to jump to conclusions. We don’t know if those people were responsible for the butterfly garbage or whether it was case of ”You really insist on a slightly altered gen 4 butterfly keyboard instead of a complete redesign? F that, I’m out.”

 

[kaneda]

I would have left too if they asked to design a credit card.

 

[s15119]

If even 2% of users had their butterfly keyboard fail, that's a colossal failure.

Nonsense.

http://techgenix.com/laptop-and-pc-failure-rates/

 

[mdcotonopu]

Spending more time with your family isn’t “doing it again”. That’s code for they quit or were sacked, not that they’ve moved on to another role.

 

[iPhonefreak79]

They RESIGN to DESIGN a folding phone

 

[PickUrPoison]

I would have left too if they asked to design a credit card.

Because that’s what people do when their boss asks them to do something that they feel is “beneath them”? Probably not.

 

[erasr]

Was about to celebrate when I misread that they lost Ive.

Jony Ive is easily one of the greatest designers of all time. We can all find flaws and negatives in people but it’s the amount of unique positives that you should count up, instead.

Once he’s gone, you will definitely see a decline in design quality. Gifted individuals are rare.

 

[B4U]

Jony Ive is easily one of the greatest designers of all time. We can all find flaws and negatives in people but it’s the amount of unique positives that you should count up, instead.

Once he’s gone, you will definitely see a decline in design quality. Gifted individuals are rare.

Issue is, he has past the expiration date.
Once Steve is not there to slam his bad designs, he is just another designer like others.

 

[I7guy]

Issue is, he has past the expiration date.
Once Steve is not there to slam his bad designs, he is just another designer like others.

Like his designs don’t like his designs, it’s a subjective call.

 

[B4U]

Like his designs don’t like his designs, it’s a subjective call.

Those ugly camera bumps sure gets their fair share of love.

 

[I7guy]

This is a textbook definition of the ostrich mentality.
Don't want to hear and see criticism and thinking it is those people who are wrong.

There constructive criticism and then there’s trolling. Much of the “criticism” is trolling, IMO.

 

[B4U]

There constructive criticism and then there’s trolling. Much of the “criticism” is trolling, IMO.

Here is the thing, a lot of their designs suck now. And the tech savvy consumers are not blind.
Here are a few examples:
Who approved the magic mouse 2 with the charging port on the bottom rendering it unusable while charging?
The AirPods with the stem sticking out like that? Really? Did they even take a look at the Jabra ones?
The list goes on and on.
Apple did begin losing their magic when Steve left because there is no dictator ordering the design team to do a better job.

 

[I7guy]

Here is the thing, a lot of their designs suck now. And the tech savvy consumers are not blind.
Here are a few examples:
Who approved the magic mouse 2 with the charging port on the bottom rendering it unusable while charging?
The AirPods with the stem sticking out like that? Really? Did they even take a look at the Jabra ones?
The list goes on and on.
Apple did begin losing their magic when Steve left because there is no dictator ordering the design team to do a better job.

Some of their designs could be open to criticism. But some honest criticism is not trolling. Trolling the repetitive bashing without any real substance.

The Airpods? They are a hit fashion statement, who knew? The epitome of convenience and breaking the rules design. In and around the NY area, people left, right and center have them sticking out of their ears.

Prior to Steve's death in 2011, I think a number of MR posters had posted some of the better failures.

 

[ipponrg]

Some of their designs could be open to criticism. But some honest criticism is not trolling. Trolling the repetitive bashing without any real substance.

The Airpods? They are a hit fashion statement, who knew? The epitome of convenience and breaking the rules design. In and around the NY area, people left, right and center have them sticking out of their ears.

Prior to Steve's death in 2011, I think a number of MR posters had posted some of the better failures.

I guess you are easily impressed by AirPods then. I don’t get the sense they are a fashion statement. I see the people that wear it in NYC can be typecasted

 

[I7guy]

I guess you are easily impressed by AirPods then. I don’t get the sense they are a fashion statement. I see the people that wear it in NYC can be typecasted

You’re welcome to your opinion, but nyc AirPod users are bigger than your negative opinion. I frankly don’t care what anyone thinks of my AirPods when I’m using them, and I doubt anyone really cares.

But this response is the type of trolling I was referring to.

 

[first-to-tea]

Nope.

• It doesn’t matter (200+ million customers per year disagree with you).

• It’s not even a small problem—it’s a complete non-issue (for 200+ million/year obvious reasons).

• It actually is resolved. Apple’s fine with the bump, and so are it’s actual customers (no one cares what a few dozen Apple-hate posters on MR forums think lol. You’ve got zero power or control over this situation; sorry).

• It looks fine. Expensive even.

It’s an issue, that’s one of the reasons why Apple doesn’t have the device lead anymore. The camera bump has been eliminated from most other brand flagships.
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It's not even a problem. So it's not flush? So what? It hasn't been since the iPhone 5s. No one cares apart from a few people who's views are unimportant.

Actually, lots of people criticise the camera bump. It’s one of the reasons iPhone 5/5s/SE have been some of the most popular releases. You own opinion is simply based on what Apple’s press releases type out, other views are important and care. All iPhones and iPads with a protruding camera are devices with completely unresolved designs. Apple hasn’t worked out how to incorporate a camera of a certain specification and make it work seamlessly in the enclosure. Steve Jobs would not have stood for this rubbish output sold at a premium.

 

[PickUrPoison]

It’s an issue, that’s one of the reasons why Apple doesn’t have the device lead anymore. The camera bump has been eliminated from most other brand flagships.
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Actually, lots of people criticise the camera bump. It’s one of the reasons iPhone 5/5s/SE have been some of the most popular releases. You own opinion is simply based on what Apple’s press releases type out, other views are important and care. All iPhones and iPads with a protruding camera are devices with completely unresolved designs. Apple hasn’t worked out how to incorporate a camera of a certain specification and make it work seamlessly in the enclosure. Steve Jobs would not have stood for this rubbish output sold at a premium.

Apple doesn’t care what a few dozen haters on MR forums post lol. Apple still has the lead; no one sells anywhere close to the number of flagships Apple sells. No one comes even remotely close. Not Samsung, not Huawei, certainly not Google—which sells fewer than 5 million Pixels each year.

Besides, iPhone users are incredibly loyal, and they almost always buy another iPhone. They have no interest in any Android, at any price. So no Android phone really competes with iPhone.

Of course it can be upsetting to some forum posters here that Apple’s billion plus customers don’t care if there’s a camera bump underneath their case, but there are probably more important issues that one could concern themselves with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[first-to-tea]

Apple doesn’t care what a few dozen haters on MR forums post lol. Apple still has the lead; no one sells anywhere close to the number of flagships Apple sells. No one comes even remotely close. Not Samsung, not Huawei, certainly not Google—which sells fewer than 5 million Pixels each year.

Besides, iPhone users are incredibly loyal, and they almost always buy another iPhone. They have no interest in any Android, at any price. So no Android phone really competes with iPhone.

Of course it can be upsetting to some forum posters here that Apple’s billion plus customers don’t care if there’s a camera bump underneath their case, but there are probably more important issues that one could concern themselves with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Friend, please don’t deminish thoughtful opinions or question the intelligence of others. Below is the unresolved rubbish Apple is currently putting out, at over $1000. The protruding camera makes the device rock with the simplest tasks as typing. Not fun drawing either. It’s unstable on a table. I saw it happen just earlier today. It’s a joke, and one reason Apple is losing sales. It’s NOT elegant. It’s unresolved. This is Apple cutting corners. Please don’t defend poor quality outcomes. Apple can and must do better.

 

[smacrumon]

Friend, please don’t deminish thoughtful opinions or question the intelligence of others. Below is the unresolved rubbish Apple is currently putting out, at over $1000. The protruding camera makes the device rock with the simplest tasks as typing. Not fun drawing either. It’s unstable on a table. I saw it happen just earlier today. It’s a joke, and one reason Apple is losing sales. It’s NOT elegant. It’s unresolved. This is Apple cutting corners. Please don’t defend poor quality outcomes. Apple can and must do better.

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@PickUrPoison and @first-to-tea, to put to bed the arguments about whether people dislike the bulging protruding cameras on iPhones, 9to5mac is running a poll. Their results so far suggest over 80% say YES absolutely and YES preferably, people DO NOT like protruding cameras, and they should be REMOVED. So we can be Apple fanatics, but we must be design and evidence based fanatics first.
Source. https://9to5mac.com/2019/05/13/triangular-camera-arrangement