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Except that Huawei is using just trickery like many third party apps, just an elaborate blur effect, they don't have two lenses at different focal distances.

Apple's effect is optic.
1. The Huawei P9 has two cameras.
2. It's all just trickery, all just an elaborate blur effect.
3. The iPhone's effect is not "optical", it's the exact same trickery as what Huawei does, just with way less options.
4. The fact that the cameras have different focal lengths is not really part of how it works. It's actually making it harder and less precise if anything.
Advise: Get off the magic bus. It's not magic. What Apple showed with the Portrait mode has been done a long time ago by other manufacturers and more.
 
Not necessarily. It depends on what kind of portraiture you do, and the skill of the photographer. There's a wide range of portraiture beyond simple headshots.

For portraiture, I routinely use a 35mm lens on my full frame camera as I like environmental context. Other times I use my iPhone 6+, which is wider.
And you are very right, some do like the look using a wider lens and as you said, you like the environmental context.
I think for the iPhone though its more setup for headshot, half-body shots, as you have to be between a certain distance for the effect to work. So I think for those types of shots using a 56mm will give you a more flattering look.
 
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I wouldn't say it runs circles. I personally can't tell the difference between Apple's and other's blur effect.
https://recombu.com/mobile/article/focus-shifting-explained_M20454.html

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In fact, just based on the picture posted in this thread by shanson27,
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Her individual hairs on top of her head are abruptly blurred on the iPhone 7, where as Galaxy S7's blurred more naturally (below):
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i don't see the comparison.

the other images are just showing focus, not the depth of field, are they not?
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Omg people are so dense. Quick to talk trash without knowing the details or doing minimal research.

The reason it's only on the 7 plus is because it uses both cameras for the bokeh effect.

As far as the image quality it produces when in portrait mode I think it's pretty good.
 
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Yeah, because Gaussian blur looks exactly like the creamy out of focus effect of high quality fast glass. :rolleyes:
If you look at Apple's sample photos you will quickly see that it's not Gaussian blur, but something else. Besides, it's not like replacing the Gaussian kernel with some Lens' point spread function is a huge deal. It even makes computation faster.

I agree though that the photos don't look like the real deal.
 
What device are you using? For me, iOS 10 has been one of the most (if not the most stable) releases in the past year.
I agree with it being buggy. I've had issue with receiving notifications across all of my devices.(iPhone 6s Plus, iPad Air 2). Issues with sounds and consistency of receiving texts on all my devices. Hoping next update will make it stable
 
Omg people are so dense. Quick to talk trash without knowing the details or doing minimal research.

The reason it's only on the 7 plus is because it uses both cameras for the bokeh effect.

As far as the image quality it produces when in portrait mode I think it's pretty good.

I think the quality looks pretty good as well.
My 7+ is supposed to arrive tomorrow. I plan on loading the beta and taking some portraits with the 7+ and my Fuji X-T2 with 35mm lens (53mm equivalent). See how they compare.

Also people are talking about the Samsung S7 doing the same thing. But all the Samsung does it takes a bunch of pictures together with different focus points. And watching videos of it, its not very quick when its taking the pictures.
 
And you are very right, some do like the look using a wider lens and as you said, you like the environmental context.
I think for the iPhone though its more setup for headshot, half-body shots, as you have to be between a certain distance for the effect to work. So I think for those types of shots using a 56mm will give you a more flattering look.

The iPhone 7+ at 56mm, yes.

For me, head and half body shots don't float my boat. iPhones in general, with wider focal lengths (my 6+ is 29mm), are much better for capturing environmental context. Or with my 35mm lens on a full frame.
 
Well I think what it really boils down to is this: the iPhone 7 Plus portrait mode is simply using software to apply a fake blur to everything behind the subject. Simple as that. In high-end cameras, bokeh/blur is actually being caused by the optics of the camera. The light from the out-of-focus background is diffracted differently than the light from the subject. To my knowledge, real bokeh (at least, right now) cannot be emulated through software, as it is something that happens on a hardware level in high-end cameras.
Not even necessarily high-end cameras -- just any camera with a lens capable of a physically larger aperture. Buy the cheapest used Canon Rebel or whatever dSLR you can find, open the lens up to f1.8 or whatever it's capable of, and you've already got something with way more flexibility and light-gathering ability than the best iPhone camera. The iPhone is going to win over a low-end/outdated dSLR in image processing and maybe even sensor pixel count -- but it can't compete on optics because the lens is just too small.

iPhones have incredible cameras for their size, but comparisons to dSLRs and good mirrorless cameras are totally apples-to-oranges (pun intended, sorry).
 
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I can't wait to try it out. Being the owner of nice Canon bodies and L lenses, I find myself carrying those less and less as I'm able to capture a capable photo with the iPhone plus I always have a camera at a moments notice whereas I don't with the DSLR.
 
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1. The Huawei P9 has two cameras.
2. It's all just trickery, all just an elaborate blur effect.
3. The iPhone's effect is not "optical", it's the exact same trickery as what Huawei does, just with way less options.
4. The fact that the cameras have different focal lengths is not really part of how it works. It's actually making it harder and less precise if anything.
Advise: Get off the magic bus. It's not magic.

Those cameras have the same focal distance, not like the iPhone 7 effect.

The results are what counts, the tricks Huawei used have been tried over and over again in the compact camera segment, and always leave a lot to be desired.

What Apple showed with the Portrait mode has been done a long time ago by other manufacturers and more.

So... you're one of those types, that look at the iPhone and say "it's just another smartphone", the iPod and say "it's just another MP3 player", the iPad "it's just another TabletPC", the TouchID "it's just another fingerprint sensor".

Enough said.

Don't know why you're on a forum about Apple.
 
I wouldn't say it runs circles. I personally can't tell the difference between Apple's and other's blur effect.
https://recombu.com/mobile/article/focus-shifting-explained_M20454.html

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In fact, just based on the picture posted in this thread by shanson27,
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Her individual hairs on top of her head are abruptly blurred on the iPhone 7, where as Galaxy S7's blurred more naturally (below):
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(Image taken from this site.)

But the S7 isn't doing anything special. its just taking multiple pics with different focus points, and it doesn't do it very fast. If you were trying to take the same pic of the little girl with the S7 she would probably have moved by the time the S7 was finished taking all its pics.
 
I really loved this idea but when I saw the sample photos it resembled more of a post processing effect, even if it's got a second camera to help it doesn't quite look "right" to me. And the fact that the software wasn't "quite there yet" was worrisome. A bit like the 3rd effect they first had in apple maps. Maybe it'll look better by next year's iteration?
 
I can't wait to give this a try.

Actually I can wait, because I have to. I don't have an iPhone 7+ yet. I didn't try to pre-order (other priorities that night), so I'll be waiting until the stock in the stores is reliable and I can walk in and get the one I want.

I am looking forward to it though.
 
Hope they give the option to have 'slide to unlock'
With the Today (widget) screen being placed to the left of the lock/home screen, there's basically no chance of that happening unless they redesign all of that again (which isn't likely to happen in anything other than a major new iOS version).
 
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