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Apple's iOS 10.1 Beta Includes Promised Portrait Mode for iPhone 7 Plus Users

Zirel said:
Except that Huawei is using just trickery like many third party apps, just an elaborate blur effect, they don't have two lenses at different focal distances.

Apple's effect is optic.
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What are you talking about? Apple's effect is software based. It measures the depth using two cameras and applies blur, it's even stated in the article. Huawei does the same with its dual cameras. Even if it was just some magic software "trickery" then they'd be geniuses blowing Apple "optical effect" out of the water. But they actually do, so whatever.
 
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YES! All we need now is the Apple iPhone 7 Plus... to ship! LOL - which will be first - 10.1... or my pre-ordered PHONE! #WORSTEVERLAUNCH
 
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Who cares if it's been done before. Apple does it better, and that's why they are associated with quality.

Having been a photographer for 10 years, I'm really impressed with the quality of this feature.
 
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lennyeiger said:
I don't like this at all. I want the opposite. I am a photographer, with 50+ years experience, and what I want is everything sharp in the image, full depth of field vs no depth of field. If they can do one they should be able to do the other...
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Ah good, I'm not the only one who thinks this looks like crap. Blurry backgrounds make it look like you're a terrible photographer and you've picked the wrong lens.
 
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Not bad at all
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Lvmyiphone said:
Is there a way to turn it off what if i dont want the blur background??????? please tell me theres a way to shut it off
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Simple - just use PHOTO mode, not PORTRAIT mode, and click the 1x button to change to 2x (or slide to got higher)
 
a.gomez said:
There you go - get a smartphone that "mimic" a high-end DSLR, eat Mcdonalds and pack your bag with crayons as art supplies and you set. Next stop, mimic ville - home of the lowest common denominator.

Or just have some self respect and get an A99 II, eat at Bouley and learn how to paint with Oils :rolleyes:

Now that we done with all this iOS/mobile garbage can we get back to MACs/OSX? Not sure how many more "Pro" labeled crap that "mimic" something else we need to live past before getting an actual creative tool from Apple.
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I have found that the strength and power of a photograph rarely correlates or has much to do with the kind or cost of the camera used.

Rather, it has everything to do with the photographer. And his/her life experiences, curiosity, imagination, ability to see, ability to read light, and the ability to take what is before him/her and craft a compelling composition, ideally releasing narrative and stimulating a viewer's mind. I could go on, but I'll stop there.
 
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What nobody seems to mention is that its called Portrait mode for a reason. Its using a 56mm focal length. By comparison the S7 has a 28mm focal length. A photographer will rarely use a 28mm focal length for portraits. So who cares if Huawei or Samsung have selective focus first. A well executed portrait will always look better using a 56mm lens than a wide angle lens.
Just look at the difference between these 2 portraits. Pretty obvious which looks better.

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We are asking a phone that has a camera to take shots most point and shoots can't do. So if it looks photoshop-ish, I'm fine with it. Can I do much better with my Canon 6D and L lens?? Yes. But if I can pull this out of my pocket if a cool portrait situation arises, that will be awesome to have.
 
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Krevnik said:
The problem there is that you need to address the physics of it to make noise better. There are basically two categories of noise:

1) Shot Noise. The light you are trying to capture isn't perfectly uniform, so you get randomness in your signal that you capture.
2) Sensor Noise. This is erroneous signal generated by the sensor itself. This has been broken down into different categories, especially in astrophotography, where a lot of work needs to be done to weed it out.

The catch here is that shot noise can be a very big part of why your images are so noisy. Shooting faster, and using a higher ISO (on cameras where you have this control) drive the noise up, since you are collecting fewer photons, and so that randomness of how many photons will strike the sensor in that particular pixel over X period of time becomes more pronounced. And really, the only way to address it is to capture more photons and reduce that variability. How do you do that? Shoot at a lower ISO, longer exposure times, and use bigger pixels. Things like BSI sensors in phones are so huge because it allows the individual pixels to get bigger, as all the circuitry is now behind it all rather than on the surface of the sensor that's also trying to collect light. But we then used it to cram more pixels on the sensor, negating the benefit.

Not to mention a lot of the easy stuff to improve things on the sensor noise front are already done, and there's hard physical limits to what you can do about shot noise if you are unwilling to make the sensor itself bigger, or put fewer pixels on it. Shot noise is a big reason why cameras with bigger sensors will always pull ahead in IQ over camera sensors, assuming similar generations of technology is used in each to maximize surface area of the pixel and minimize sensor noise for both.
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Wow. I had a very nice time reading that, I learned a lot. Thank you for taking the time to type all of that out. :)

It is really impressive what we are able to achieve with phone cameras these days. Downright impressive. However, when I do a shoot with my Canon, I am reminded of the DRAMATIC difference between my iPhone camera and my DSLR. It's absolutely crazy. I took a shot of a street with my Canon the other day, and wayyyyyy down the road was a street sign. I couldn't read it from where I was. For kicks, when viewing the captured photo, I decided to zoom all the way in on the street sign and lo-and-behold, I could read the sign, which was hundreds of feet away. Ridiculous.

Compare that to my phone. My photos look great on my phone screen. But the second I zoom in any photo, it looks like a watercolor painting due to all the noise reduction. Yikes.

Talking about sensor size, have you ever seen this graph? I think it helps puts sensor size into perspective for a lot of folks (not that YOU are struggling to understand, of course ;)).
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Mactendo said:
Focus preview of what? The phone is LYING ON THE TABLE. Huawei can refocus image after it was shot using the same dual camera setup.

So yes, it did it first and did much more than a blurred background.
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Whoops... you're right. :)

That's what I get for not paying attention.

Carry on...
 
Mactendo said:
What are you talking about? Apple's effect is software based. It measures the depth using two cameras and applies blur, it's even stated in the article. Huawei does the same with its dual cameras. Even if it was just some magic software "trickery" then they'd be geniuses blowing Apple "optical effect" out of the water. But they actually do, so whatever.
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No, it's not, it has the two images to compose a single image.

Huawei cameras don't have different focal distances.
 
bluespark said:
Most definitely yes. I probably haven't seen everything in the Android world, but this runs circles around what I've seen, and the tech does require both cameras.
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I wouldn't say it runs circles. I personally can't tell the difference between Apple's and other's blur effect.
https://recombu.com/mobile/article/focus-shifting-explained_M20454.html

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In fact, just based on the picture posted in this thread by shanson27,
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Her individual hairs on top of her head are abruptly blurred on the iPhone 7, where as Galaxy S7's blurred more naturally (below):
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(Image taken from this site.)
 
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mavtech said:
A well executed portrait will always look better using a 56mm lens than a wide angle lens.
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Not necessarily. It depends on what kind of portraiture you do, and the skill of the photographer. There's a wide range of portraiture beyond simple headshots.

For portraiture, I routinely use a 35mm lens on my full frame camera as I like environmental context. Other times I use my iPhone 6+, which is wider.
 
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