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Isn't Apple reporting on the 25th?
Two days before then they announce the iPad Mini?
Is this to soften the blow on a bad quarter?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
I sure hope not!!!
 
Bezos is free to claim that his tablet business will make profits at some nebulous future and you are free to believe him despite lack of proof, but math is simple. You cannot make money by selling low margin items after selling low margin hardware and magically make yourself a high margin business. Amazon values market share over profits margins. If you like Amazon, you gotta be OK with that approach.

In digital products, Apple puts a ceiling on prices, as it is a well known, large company operating in many countries. Its margins are not very high on that front. Therefore, Amazon cannot have a lot more margin out of selling the same commodity goods. Amazon's design costs per tablet are bound to be higher as it does not sell as many as Apple or Samsung, both of which sell their hardware in many countries, not just in the US and UK. The printer/cartridge, console/game and razor/blade business model would not work very well if the follow-on sales in ink cartridges, blades or video games had low margins.

Again, I'm not an econ guy but there's also the concept of volume. How much does Apple make per song DL from iTunes? And how many songs from iTunes are DL daily? Low margin sales can add up quickly. Then add on iBooks, movies, etc. No packaging, no shipping, just pure profit. A little bit different from selling printer/cartridge, console/game and razor/blades which still require you make something, package it, and ship it somewhere.
 
I hope the iPad mini has a nice squared off feel to it...I hope the day comes where all iPads are the same form factor as the iPhone 5 so it truly is like a "tablet". Imagine a 10 inch version of the iPhone 5 , same thickness (but without the glass on the top and bottom - except the LTE versions) - hopefully one day!
 
So I bought an iPad 3 10 days ago. Do you guys think I should return it (I can until Wed 17th) and wait for the keynote for an unupdate iPad 3 or that's not gonna happen?

Yes! If you feel it would bother you if they did update it...you would ultimately only feel disappointed. If that would not bother you at all, then keep it and enjoy it! I made that decision recently and if there is no update then I'll just purchase it again. Just detach yourself from it and you'll not miss it for 2/3 weeks...a night out drinking with friends will take your mind off it on the day you return it! The next day you'll not even care to look at any screen with the hangover you'll have! One deciding factor is whether you have any other iOS device to use until the day you purchase an iPad again. A new iPhone 5 helps a lot! :p
 
I have an iPad (new one) with 64GB of HD, full service plan, one year of one-to-one (which I do use for glitches across my Apple devices...and which only cost $99 for one year of UNLIMITED once a week max one-to-ones).

Also, I WILL PAY whatever Apple charges for the new mini...and I am NOT unlike many Apple advocates.

Hey just not having all the virus issues is a stand-alone deal-breaker.

BTW, a Microsoft retail store just opened in our local mall (downstream from the Apple retail store). The MS store looks "strangely" like the Apple store in layout. Even the staff have matching t-shirts.

Except. I think I counted six customers????

Still have a crowded Apple store waiting for its double-sized one to reopen at the other end of same mall soon. No one-to-ones are being scheduled from October 19th till October 25th, so either...a move back to expanded store...or

need staff to SELL NEW MINI's.

t2
 
Where are the masses clamoring for a 7" iPad? There weren't any, but there will be as soon as it's released.

I've know at least three acquaintances who have not gotten an iPad because it's too big. They're actually excited about the Mini. One person is nearly salivating at the prospect. So a market exists for it, and Apple must know that. Just as with the original iPad (for which many people originally said there was no market), I'll bet that Apple will sell a hefty number Minis.
 
Bezos is free to claim that his tablet business will make profits at some nebulous future and you are free to believe him despite lack of proof, but math is simple. You cannot make money by selling low margin items after selling low margin hardware and magically make yourself a high margin business. Amazon values market share over profits margins. If you like Amazon, you gotta be OK with that approach.

In digital products, Apple puts a ceiling on prices, as it is a well known, large company operating in many countries. Its margins are not very high on that front. Therefore, Amazon cannot have a lot more margin out of selling the same commodity goods. The printer/cartridge, console/game and razor/blade business model would not work very well if the follow-on sales in ink cartridges, blades or video games had low margins. (Besides, Amazon's design costs per tablet are bound to be higher as it does not sell as many as Apple or Samsung, both of which sell their hardware in many countries, not just in the US and UK.)

You keep acting as if I have made this up, however, their business model is common knowledge, as is Apple's. You are certainly free not to believe and to disagree, but it's not just me with whom you'd be disagreeing. Go take it up with journalists and business and market analysts and business consultants and the people who work for and run these companies, who would all say the same thing I am saying.
 
With the new iPod Touch coming in at a whopping $299!!!! Where are they going to price this thing?? ... not sure I would pay $299 for it ... and I definitely have no plans to get a $300-$400 iPod Touch... Maybe the fancy strap adds $100+ to the cost of the touch?

you have made a great point about price here. Looking at the image of the mini I think the price will have to include some kind "free" LTE for books and songs...free streaming music service...an Apple version of amazon Prime to be able to charge around $399 or more for an 8" iPad.

Apple is in a strange place as the Android tablet market of 48% to Apple's dominance is based on price and Kindle adds a lot of value for its low priced offering.

Most clients of Android want cheap small tablets like the Kindle range and these are going to be hard to beat because Amazon Prime is better than Apple iTunes/iBooks for offering one click shopping. One of the new Kindle even has free 3G.

You are one of the few posters to point out that Apple cannot compete on price alone and if they did so the small iPad could kill iPad3 sales.

This move is too late unless Apple has a major Free ecosystem to announce and that will butcher iPad3 sales too.

Your post really does ask some troubling questions about Apple's direction. Thank you!
 
I was going to wait until the end of october before I buy an iPad 3, but I am more interested in a smaller iPad. I use my parents iPad 2 and it's to heavy to read and hold it with one hand.

With a small iPad I could lay on the sofa and read my ebooks of interest by holding the iPad mini with one hand like I can do with a paperback.


you are in luck. There is a companion rumor that Ipad 3 will be relaunched with the new connector, now screen with less backlight, new LTE chip, smaller size battery. Thinner, lighter, and cost less for Apple to manufacture. Don't know how accurate this particular rumor is but it make a lot of sense since Apple will have to change the connector anyway..
 
Glad to hear Jim's confirmation. I can't wait to get my hands on an iPad mini!!!

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The Loop's Jim Dalrymple weighs in, confirming the date with a "Yep."

Are you not aware of how inappropriate it is to use one rumor source to 'confirm' another rumor source? Only an authorized apple representative can confirm or deny. The rest of us, including Macrumors and Jim Dalrymple, can only add our guesses. Obvious some have better 'sources' and thus a much better record at guessing, but in the end, all are guesses. Please use the word 'confirm' appropriately.

Ya, but he's still more reliable than most other sources for rumors.
 
Isn't Apple reporting on the 25th?
Two days before then they announce the iPad Mini?
Is this to soften the blow on a bad quarter?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
I sure hope not!!!

Interesting point. I've seen other companies make like moves prior to releasing disappointing earnings. Then again, a "bad quarter" for APPL still means billions in net profit.
 
Considering Google and Amazon are selling their tablets at cost what do you think is a price that isn't "too much"?

Oh that's easy, ANYTHING over 200 UK pounds it too much. You see my Christmas present tablet is something I know my mother has saved up to buy me and unlike others, I don't ask her for 400 pound tablets as I damn we'll know she cannot afford it. As it is I think shes only spending this much because I brought her an iPad 3 but that was through a cracking deal at work.
Not everyone is rich enough to afford Apples tax, I work for my toys I have and the iPhone was the only thing I personally could afford and wanted for myself this year, then again I fully plan to keep it for several years more!

So as their is NO WAY it is going to cost less then the new iPod touch then it is already going to cost too much.
 
I know what their strategy is. And honestly I think these cheap priced tablets could be bad because its creating a race to the bottom and OEM's won't be able to compete. Or if they try to compete we'll end up with inferior devices to try and reach some artificially low price point.

Nope not buying that. OEMs can easily add more to there tablets to differentiate and charge more, but I personally don't care as they have ALL been tying to match the Apple tax price and failing miserably just to get profit.
Samsungs new cheap 7" tablet is the same price as the Nexus and Fire but its only benefit is expandable memory, it's got lower specs across the board, including screen then the Nexus and Fire.

The 7" tablet market was totally ignored until Amazon cracked it and now everyone wants in and Apple has missed the boat due to its pricing IMO and that is a poor show for them.
 
Nope not buying that. OEMs can easily add more to there tablets to differentiate and charge more, but I personally don't care as they have ALL been tying to match the Apple tax price and failing miserably just to get profit.
Samsungs new cheap 7" tablet is the same price as the Nexus and Fire but its only benefit is expandable memory, it's got lower specs across the board, including screen then the Nexus and Fire.

The 7" tablet market was totally ignored until Amazon cracked it and now everyone wants in and Apple has missed the boat due to its pricing IMO and that is a poor snow for them.

OK I stopped reading the minute you mentioned "Apple tax".
 
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